JackBull
Hunter
Anyone have an idea when Ruger will be producing Vaqueros and/or Blackhawks in 45 LC?
Ruger SA Production Schedule
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57springer
Buckeye
They have to be making a few now and then . A local shop has A vaquero just in .
onehandgunner
Single-Sixer
As soon as every person in the world has at least 10 Wranglers or Super Wranglers then they will make the good stuff, the guns that we really want.
Stantheman1986
Single-Sixer
If they're selling more cheap plastic autochuckers, those will be Priority over trickling out $800-1200 thumb busters
Plus every gun maker apparently needs 5 kinds of auto loading .22 pistol in every color from pink to FDE
Plus every gun maker apparently needs 5 kinds of auto loading .22 pistol in every color from pink to FDE
There are some new ones on GB, so some dealers are getting them in.
dddddmorgan
Bearcat
Well some stuff must be getting through, here in Boise Idaho I found a 45 Bisley in stainless with the extra 45 ACP cylinder. The price was full bore MSRP but I actually found it three times (three different stores) and one of them was $98 less.
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contender
Ruger Guru
Ruger doesn't release it's production schedule, nor it's numbers.
Due to the covid crap,, many of their lower selling lines were down & guns were not produced. At one point, I think as many as 65% of the employees were "out" due to covid. And building guns isn't an easy skill to get new people to do with production numbers that need to be met.
It's been a slow process to get their manufacturing lines up & going again. And yes,, as noted,, the desires for the less expensive & easier to make models that SELL quicker get the attention first.
Add in the lack of raw materials,, supply chain issues,, and it's an uphill climb to produce a model that SELLS quickly.
Thrown in the FACT that even if they make 1000 .45 Colt Vaquero's,, with a 5-1/2" barrel,, buyers will say; "I wanted a Blackhawk," or "I wanted a Bisley," or "I want one with a 7-1/2" barrel," or "I wanted it in blue,, not stainless" etc.
Ruger has to look at what SELLS fast enough to make building them profitable.
But,, have patience,, as they are getting more & more of their products back into production.
Due to the covid crap,, many of their lower selling lines were down & guns were not produced. At one point, I think as many as 65% of the employees were "out" due to covid. And building guns isn't an easy skill to get new people to do with production numbers that need to be met.
It's been a slow process to get their manufacturing lines up & going again. And yes,, as noted,, the desires for the less expensive & easier to make models that SELL quicker get the attention first.
Add in the lack of raw materials,, supply chain issues,, and it's an uphill climb to produce a model that SELLS quickly.
Thrown in the FACT that even if they make 1000 .45 Colt Vaquero's,, with a 5-1/2" barrel,, buyers will say; "I wanted a Blackhawk," or "I wanted a Bisley," or "I want one with a 7-1/2" barrel," or "I wanted it in blue,, not stainless" etc.
Ruger has to look at what SELLS fast enough to make building them profitable.
But,, have patience,, as they are getting more & more of their products back into production.
Armybrat
Hunter
Well, 5 months ago I bought this new Blackhawk .357 from Grabagun. (Just put the Altamont wood on it).
So they have been making some new “real” revolvers.
So they have been making some new “real” revolvers.
contender
Ruger Guru
I understand the stuff about the excuse of Covid.
BUT,, many people CHOSE to NOT go back to work expecting free money from the government like they did during the covid crap. And many people also found out they could get a job working from home & make money, so they didn't go back to work.
Skilled labor takes time & training to get back up to speed, especially in a place that builds firearms.
Plus,, to work in a place like Ruger,, you have to pass a background check, drug testing AND be able to learn a skill.
BUT,, many people CHOSE to NOT go back to work expecting free money from the government like they did during the covid crap. And many people also found out they could get a job working from home & make money, so they didn't go back to work.
Skilled labor takes time & training to get back up to speed, especially in a place that builds firearms.
Plus,, to work in a place like Ruger,, you have to pass a background check, drug testing AND be able to learn a skill.
Ruger may be less at fault than the distributors for creating artificial scarcity by "allocating" all the desirable models so they are only available to the deep pocket high volume dealers who can buy a dozen Wranglers or LCRs to get the privilege of buying one or two Blackhawks or Vaqueros. I'm a small-time FFL with no storefront and I haven't been able to buy any good new Rugers for years, so all my money goes to buying used stuff.
Some of the manufactures make it worse. For instance, because I can't get Rugers, I decided to buy a couple stainless Colt Pythons since they were shown as "available" in the distributor's email, but when I called, I was told they couldn't sell to me because Colt requires "stocking dealer" status before a FFL is allowed to purchase their products.
SP101s are starting to loosen up a little. Right at this moment, I could order two barrel lengths of .357 and one .38, but those are the only revolvers available to small dealers except for Wranglers or LCRs. No Single Sixes, no Blackhawks, no Vaqueros, no Redhawks.
Some of the manufactures make it worse. For instance, because I can't get Rugers, I decided to buy a couple stainless Colt Pythons since they were shown as "available" in the distributor's email, but when I called, I was told they couldn't sell to me because Colt requires "stocking dealer" status before a FFL is allowed to purchase their products.
SP101s are starting to loosen up a little. Right at this moment, I could order two barrel lengths of .357 and one .38, but those are the only revolvers available to small dealers except for Wranglers or LCRs. No Single Sixes, no Blackhawks, no Vaqueros, no Redhawks.
contender
Ruger Guru
WMG is also correct.
Small FFL's are shut out by the distributors all the time. And even before covid. I call it; "lazy salesman." Why spend time contacting 10 small FFL's to sell a few guns to each one,, when they can sell the whole allocation to one or two big dealers,, and be done?
Ruger fills orders from distributors. The distributors handle the allocation of who gets what.
Small FFL's are shut out by the distributors all the time. And even before covid. I call it; "lazy salesman." Why spend time contacting 10 small FFL's to sell a few guns to each one,, when they can sell the whole allocation to one or two big dealers,, and be done?
Ruger fills orders from distributors. The distributors handle the allocation of who gets what.
Ruger could surely set some rules for their distributor network.
Can only assume they don’t care or don’t see it as a problem.
I’d guess Ruger has no problem today selling every single gun they make.
That can make for lazy salespeople and a complacent company if not careful.
Ask several hundred FORMER Harley Davidson dealers.
Can only assume they don’t care or don’t see it as a problem.
I’d guess Ruger has no problem today selling every single gun they make.
That can make for lazy salespeople and a complacent company if not careful.
Ask several hundred FORMER Harley Davidson dealers.
Interesting. My local Sportsman’s has a couple blued .357 Vaqueros in stock. I asked him about the Super Wrangler- he said they won’t see those for awhile. They order in huge quantities so they always get their stock after all the smaller orders ship. Seems backwards to me…
. And about the the .357 New Vaqueros. Most people I'd think would be looking for Single Sixes and .45 Colt New Vaqueros.57springer
Buckeye
Super wranglers are just now arriving at my local shop . A few at a time , the owner says they sell the same day .
I just got an ad from CDNN. They have a 4 5/8” Vaquero and a Blackhawk on sale. Better jump on it if that’s what you’re looking for! Only 2 left when I wrote this
https://www.cdnnsports.com/rugerr-vaqueror-45lc-4-5inch-stainless.html
https://www.cdnnsports.com/rugerr-vaqueror-45lc-4-5inch-stainless.html
Xrayist
Single-Sixer
I worked for a Remington firearms distributor back in the early to late 1970's. No supply issues. We then became an S&W distributor. We had to order poor selling models, like M31, M10, and others in certain quantities before we were allowed to order the "good stuff", M29, M25-2, M57, M66, etc. I would wager that Ruger does the same. I also think that Ruger has top distributors that get the best, newest, most high in demand products. Davidson's, and Lipsey's come to mind. It is Ruger's business and they can do as they please.
Armybrat
Hunter
Grabagun has the Blackhawk at $110 less…
https://grabagun.com/firearms/handguns/revolvers/ruger-blackhawk-357mag-4-5-8-bl.html
Not a bad price. That about what I paid for my used one. The CDNN price on the polished Vaquero is decent. I gave about $100 more for my 5.5” new about a year or so ago.
Armybrat
Hunter
I paid $629.99 (plus tax, shipping & ffl) for the new production BH in post #8
Paid $80 for my first new BH in 1968.
(about $700 in today’s dollars)
Paid $80 for my first new BH in 1968.
(about $700 in today’s dollars)
$629 is a deal, I think. There’s a nice used Super here local for $599. And the local pawn shop has quite a variety, although all overpriced. I make a weekly or so rounds of all the local shops looking for deals on 3 screws.
Armybrat
Hunter
I paid $609+ for my New Vaquero .357 in 2017.
It’s the Talo “Fast Draw” edition. Changed the Talo grip panels for these Altamonts because I think they are better looking (saving the originals of course).
These are what the Talo panels looked like:
It’s the Talo “Fast Draw” edition. Changed the Talo grip panels for these Altamonts because I think they are better looking (saving the originals of course).
These are what the Talo panels looked like:
woodperson
Blackhawk
Local store here has a new blued Vaquero in .45 Colt in the display case for $869. And a used Stainless Super Blackhawk for $1100 on consignment.
Stantheman1986
Single-Sixer
People can't afford to feed 'em. The market for .45 LC or .44 anything isn't exactly strong.
Ruger should make more 9mm/357 Vaquero convertibles
Ruger is selling Wranglers by the truck load because they're cheap and affordable to shoot.
Ruger should make more 9mm/357 Vaquero convertibles
Ruger is selling Wranglers by the truck load because they're cheap and affordable to shoot.
https://tombstonetactical.com/product/new-vaquero-revolver-45-lc-4-62in-6rd-stainless
They have them at $765.
https://www.impactguns.com/revolvers/ruger-blackhawk-357-revolver-black-736676003068-00306/#wiki
They have Blackhawk at $609
