Conceal Carry Restrictions

[JackAsinus]

How do you guys handle buildings that have no conceal carry signs?

I generally ignore the sign as I'm concealed and they won't know. If they have a metal detector then it's a different set of rules.

 

[Wvfarrier]

Here in WV, the signs do not carry force of law (except hospitals, court houses, etc). However, if you are asked to leave because some karen reported your ccw, you MUST leave or its trespassing.

 

[blume357]

Being an internet lawyer I think you will find most folks here will not want to or should not answer that question.

 

[XUSNORDIE]

What Blume said.

There is a well known BBQ place in my neck of the woods. Always a long line, parking lot packed with motorcycle groups, FEMA, Homeland Security and tourists sightseeing the battle fields. A few years back they put up a sign that said NO GUNS LEOSA INCLUDED.....their business to the locals and LE dropped off drastically. It is now only open weekends during tourist season.

 

[Jeepnik]

Maybe I'm too compliant. But if a building is off limits to carry, either by law or simply owner postings I respect their wishes. If I don't want to disarm, I will just go elsewhere. Ignoring laws and private property rights put the rest of us in a bad light.

 

[blume357]

As I said, I'm the typical internet lawyer, actually I think I'm better than most... a lot of these signs are just because some lawyer... the ones that have an office and spend a fortune on bill boards ,... told the store owner if they didn't do that they would be liable if a shooting occurred in their place. What the typical land based lawyer fails to tell them is they are liable regardless because just about all lawyers do now is negotiate between themselves... and the insurance companies they represent.

Years ago I was working at a person's house and found out they were the manager of a jewelry store that was beside a dinner theater my wife and I often went to and I mentioned that we often parked at night in their parking lot, and asked about the sign that said it was only for customer parking. She, the manager, told me their lawyer said they had to put the signs up because it someone was hurt (she said robbed) in their parking lot and was not a customer then they were off the hook. My thought was why would they be responsible either way?

But then I'm taught in 'chimney sweep school' that the only function of all these disclaimers we constantly sign is if a person thinks they might have been wronged it discourages them from calling a lawyer... other than that a disclaimer has no legal binding.

 

[Yaworski]

if a person thinks they might have been wronged it discourages them from calling a lawyer... other than that a disclaimer has no legal binding.

I used to run large events for my car club and our insurance company insisted that all participants sign a waiver. Our attorney told me that the waiver didn't take away the right to sue but served as evidence that the participant knew beforehand that the event could be dangerous.

 

[Yaworski]

In some states the signs have legal standing and ignoring them can lead to criminal charges. Other states, all they can do is ask you to leave if they find out that you ignored them.

 

[old breed]

What Blume said.

There is a well known BBQ place in my neck of the woods. Always a long line, parking lot packed with motorcycle groups, FEMA, Homeland Security and tourists sightseeing the battle fields. A few years back they put up a sign that said NO GUNS LEOSA INCLUDED.....their business to the locals and LE dropped off drastically. It is now only open weekends during tourist season.

it's kinda like beer and transgenders. sometimes idiots just don't think

 

[pisgah]

In SC, those signs are not abundant, but if you're caught carrying behind a "No Concealed Weapons" sign you may be asked to leave the premises. Refuse, and you get trespassing charges; leave, no-harm,no-foul.

No one has yet called me on my occasional transgression... and if they do, well, bye-bye...

 

[old breed]

harley was thinking wokey for a short minute, jaguar made made the plunge (yugo with lipstick). middle america of scots-irish descent. we love freedom, we love guns , we respect women, we hate bullies ( including some politicians), we like beer and bourban, we have a sense of humor, we evaluate by deed not degrees( school type) and we love a" just" fight. some people simply call us red necks. lock us out we adapt. there's more than one BBQ out there. reference " born fighting" by james webb

 

[vito]

Here in IL the "no guns" signs, if they are of the state designated size and lettering, and posted in a clearly visible space at the building's entrance, have the force of law meaning that if discovered you would be charged with a misdemeanor for a first offense, felony for second (I think) offenses. I suspect that even here in IL, most concealed carriers believe in "concealed means concealed" and just go about their business rather than leaving their personal weapon in their vehicle.

As often discussed here on the forum, people are generally not very observant. When I first started carrying I was very focused on not printing, and would examine myself in a full length mirror before leaving the house to try to judge if anyone would suspect that I had a gun on my belt or in my pocket. I quickly learned that people see almost nothing in this regard and you could probably have a full sized semi auto in your pocket, making a huge bulge and your pants drooping down, without attracting a single eye amont the people you encounter. In this age of people being immersed in their phones even when walking, being the "gray man" is easier than ever.

 

[Yaworski]

As often discussed here on the forum, people are generally not very observant.

I get customers who are open carrying. I'll ask, "Whachu carrying?" Most of the time my coworkers didn't even notice a 1911 in an OWB holster.

In college, I'd open carry in a IWB holster and it only caused a problem once.

 

[Yaworski]

harley was thinking wokey for a short minute, jaguar made made the plunge (yugo with lipstick) . . . .

Trying to figure out what all of this has to do with concealed carry.

 

[Gopher]

Texas has a convoluted system of numbers and verbiage to prevent carrying. One means no carry, one means concealed carry only and one means no carry for "Permitless" carry, plus a universal no carry sign for places like hospitals. It's very confusing for some, and the state legislature doesn't appear to be willing to change it.
Thankfully, these signs are large and all three must be posted to keep guns out. I avoid spending money there if at all possible.
https://texas.concealedcarry.com/2021/10/15/30-06-and-30-07-signs-where-cant-you-carry-in-texas/https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_30.05https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_46.03

 

[Xrayist]

How do you guys handle buildings that have no conceal carry signs?

I generally ignore the sign as I'm concealed and they won't know. If they have a metal detector then it's a different set of rules.

My opinion? If it is a privately owned business, I respect the owners rules and wishes. It is their business, they pay all the bills, so therefore you should respect their wishes. I guess it would be like you, in your house, telling people that they are not allowed to smoke, so someone comes in, goes to a different room and does it anyway. I am guessing you would not have a problem with that? Would you carry in a Federal Building, if the signs said no firearms, but didn't have a metal detector? How about going into a courtroom while there is a trial going on? Again, to me, it comes down to respect. If a business does not want firearms carried, then follow those rules or you have the freedom to go somewhere else.

 

[375hh1973]

Only place I don't carry is where there are metal detectors.

Concealed is concealed.

If I need it, I'm gonna have it. Deal with the aftermath as it comes.

 

[Yaworski]

Would you carry in a Federal Building, if the signs said no firearms, but didn't have a metal detector? How about going into a courtroom while there is a trial going on?

Both of those are chargeable offenses with fairly steep penalties. A shopping mall? Not so much.

 

[TheTexasRAT]

How do you guys handle buildings that have no conceal carry signs?

If a business doesn't want my money all they have to do is hang a no guns allowed sign and I'll take my money else where! As I refuse to fund the opposition! Go woke, go broke is a good motto to live by. No Queen of Bears for me. Nor do I do Disney, or any other such places as Target, Walmart, or the Grammys.

Also, I prefer to be ready at all time to be able to defend myself. I'm sure that people that were victims though nothing of being unarmed until SHTF. Too late by then though. I like to think ahead and be prepared. So if I'm not allowed to be prepared somewhere then I go elsewhere so as I can be at the ready.

 

[blume357]

In SC, those signs are not abundant, but if you're caught carrying behind a "No Concealed Weapons" sign you may be asked to leave the premises. Refuse, and you get trespassing charges; leave, no-harm,no-foul.

No one has yet called me on my occasional transgression... and if they do, well, bye-bye...

I was taught some time in the past if you are asked to leave a property by the owner or manager .... then you do one thing... Leave... do not debate the issue just leave... now if the person follows you out and off the property then if they want to discuss it and you want to, that is the place not on their property....Once someone tells you to leave if you are not on the way out then you are trespassing.

 

[Yaworski]

Nor do I do Disney,

That leaves out most amusement parks

 

[TheTexasRAT]

That leaves out most amusement parks

Don't watch their TV stuff either.

 

[old breed]

Trying to figure out what all of this has to do with concealed carry.

sorry for the stray, kinda like bad knees ,religion and adult consequences.

 

[XUSNORDIE]

If I need it, I'm gonna have it. Deal with the aftermath as it comes.

I have to ask. Have you, or do you know anyone personally ever had to endure the aftermath? You may want to reconsider. Sometimes stubborn folks can get themselves into a mess.....are they alive? yep, but staring at cinder bock walls and/or going into financial and mental breakdowns just isn't worth it. In my opinion anyways.

Following rules isn't that hard...especially if your financial and mental state of mind depend on it.

 

[Jeepnik]

Honestly, many private businesses here aren't posted. I think that's left over from when it was more difficult to get permits. It still isn't easy but it is easier.
Permit holders are supposed to know municipal buildings are no carry. Large corporations usually have some sort of policy, but it has to be posted. Small businesses usually don't have anything posted.
I like having a permit (let's not turn this into a constitutional carry discussion, things are what they are) I'm not going to endanger that just because, frankly, I want to both make a statement and be an a$$h00l about it.

 

[375hh1973]

I have to ask. Have you, or do you know anyone personally ever had to endure the aftermath? You may want to reconsider. Sometimes stubborn folks can get themselves into a mess.....are they alive? yep, but staring at cinder bock walls and/or going into financial and mental breakdowns just isn't worth it. In my opinion anyways.

Following rules isn't that hard...especially if your financial and mental state of mind depend on it.

Yes.

 

[JohnL]

Expecting law officers to ditch their weapons is plain silly. When I had my joint, I was always glad to see them. Law officers in uniform and RC Priests, the only ones we have here, were given a substantial discount. Half off. Now, if I got to place with such a sign and I have my old Colt Cobra carry, I pay the sign no mind. Chances are no one will notice it in my pocket. If they do, "Ah, so sorry".

The law which bugs me in my state is we are only allowed one ccw at a time on our person. I like to carry both a Colt Commando and the old Cobra. Twelve is better than six.

 

[old breed]

I have to ask. Have you, or do you know anyone personally ever had to endure the aftermath? You may want to reconsider. Sometimes stubborn folks can get themselves into a mess.....are they alive? yep, but staring at cinder bock walls and/or going into financial and mental breakdowns just isn't worth it. In my opinion anyways.

Following rules isn't that hard...especially if your financial and mental state of mind depend on it.

not personally but i've served on a grand jury. you don't want to get caught, you don't want to argue, the hole gets deeper and darker. you are way past arguing about principles and your perceived rights. you lose your firearm , the right to carry it , your house to pay for the litigation to keep you free and probably your wife due to no house and stubbornness. there are hills to die on but this ain't it.

 

[Cofaler]

The only business I've noticed here with the no CC sign is the Taco Bell/KFC joint. I've only gone there a couple times, carrying obviously, and never had a problem, the sign looks like it's been there 50 years, and only on the side door and not on the main door. I doubt anyone really cares, they interact with customers no more than what is absolutely necessary and if it ever became an issue I think I could get through my remaining years without KFC. I will not eat Toxic Hell for any reason. I generally choose not to do business with places that flaunt a liberal mindset, I tend to try and blend in anyway, no MAGA hats, bumper stickers, and try and be pleasant to everyone etc, so I tend not to gain attention from the Karens. Also, Colorado just passed some sort of safe storage law where a gun needs to be in a locked case or compartment and there are penalties for the the guy who has a gun stolen from their car. I have a buddy who went on a hike with his daughter and noticed a no guns sign at the trailhead. Trying to do the right thing, he locked his gun in the glove box. His 1911 was stolen from his truck. I figure just carrying is a lesser risk than unholstering in a parking lot and leaving your gun in the car.

I think Colorado's stance is that it is private property and if the owner chooses not to allow CC on their property they can do so. Not sure what the penalties are, if any.

We went to a hot wing place in New Mexico and after we sat down I saw the back of a no CC sign in the window. I'm told that NM requires that if the place serves alcohol.

 

[Jeepnik]

Consider this thought. Nationwide it is getting easier to get a permit (again let's talk about what is, not what we want). Every time someone intentionally violates prohibitions, either by law or the desires of the property owner, it makes it harder to keep moving forward.