It is actually the only guaranteed way to prevent recidivism. There has never been anyone who became a recidivist after execution.
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Not a believer in the Salem Witch Trials I take it?
Gwitness
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meh..that was all pretty much driven by family feuds.
Oh those public executions put the FEAR of GOD into all those #hitches?
Pun intended?
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Until one of those guilty rapes and murders your wife or daughter. And that happens way too often.
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Didn't Charlie Bronson and Bruce Willis make movies about that?
All those in favor of vigilante justice chime in with an AYE!
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Gwitness
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a bit of light reading for you. https://www.allahabadhighcourt.in/postcentenary/RoadOfJustice.html
Way to far beyond my two drink max. Care to share the Readers Digest condensed version?
Did I just date myself?
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I have lived it. While not a daughter, it was a lovely young lady I knew well. She did everything right, except the selection of boyfriend. He was a "nice" guy. Most of us didn't really like the age difference, but she was in a profession when differences in age weren't seen as that important. He turned violent once. She, called the cops. Since it was he said / she said, even with a sizeable blackeye and bruised cheek, no action was take. She got a restraining order.
He called and told her he was coming to kill her. She called 911. 911 said if he showed up to call back. She never got a chance to make that call. They found her stripped and stabbed 37 times in the face and chest. Her father found her like that hours later.
Ex get away. Cops figured he went back to South America where he was from. By the way daddy has lots of money. He couldn't be found.
Several years later a show in Mexico, like the guy with the dead son did here finding criminals, resulted in his being located. He does get arrested, released in a couple of hours instead of being held for extradition (remember daddy had money). He's finally arrested again and this time held. But he Mexican authorities refuse to extradite if the death penalty is on the table. So the DA says no death penalty and he is extradited to the states.
It gets even worse. Once back, the DA won't even file first degree murder charges against the ex. If calling and threatening murder, bringing a knife with you and finally brutally murdering someone isn't first degree murder isn't I don't know what is. Charge is plea bargained down to 2nd degree murder.
In the end we found out he had brutally attacked another young woman in South America and his parents shipped him to the US. But on the fortunate side, he is slated to be release in about ten years. Maybe it's a good thing he didn't get life without parole.
Tell me executing that animal wouldn't have 100% prevented the murder of an innocent 17 year old woman.
So it would be better to unrighteously sentence some of my family to death so that the truly evil people can't kill any of them?
I'm not an advocate for letting evil people go unpunished, yet I for sure believe that our justice system is the best in the world when there are no corrupt police, judges, or prosecutors. involved. And then there are the false witnesses that lie out of spite or simply set someone up to take the rap for what they themselves had done. Or as well know to happen they think that the person the police brought in are the actual one that they saw, when in reality they weren't.
But if one thinks it doesn't hurt one bit for some innocent people to die for a just cause then we could just simply start killing all gang members, or anyone that might look like one. Then we could go after all the Democrats (of which some of us would have some of our own family executed for sure). Then once we get all of them we could start taking a look at our own self-righteousness and perhaps start weeding out the rest of the rifraft amongst ourselves, untill there is only one left. Yeah, I don't think that is the best way to go either.
I'm not saying it is good that a thousand are set free, but rather that it is better than one innocent person suffer unrighteously.
That case boils down to some cops and or prosecutors needing to die alongside the perp. At least perhaps the dad could spend a little more money to have someone exact justice on that piece of
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No. Nor do I see a need to either.Have you actually done the "math" on that...
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Hang them and then sell shots at 500 yards. Wait that is too easy. 1000 yards.
Never said let them, just that it is better than one innocent person to suffer unrighteously.Let 1,000 criminals go free for the sake of one
Hell personally If I were left in charge I would opt to slaughter billions right off the cuff, but I also know in my heart that it's wrong to go about things in such a manner. But I bet it would stop a lot of murders right?
What happens to the innocent man that is tortured to death by a bungled execution?
What happens to the victim's family members who find out that the man they watched writhing in pain was actually innocent?
What happens to the executioner who had some responsibility for a humane execution when he finds out he tortured an innocent man to death?
There are many good reasons to do things the right way.
What happens to the victim's family members who find out that the man they watched writhing in pain was actually innocent?
What happens to the executioner who had some responsibility for a humane execution when he finds out he tortured an innocent man to death?
There are many good reasons to do things the right way.
Pretty sure it won't cost a dime.That case boils down to some cops and or prosecutors needing to die alongside the perp. At least perhaps the dad could spend a little more money to have someone exact justice on that piece of
"So it would be better to unrighteously sentence some of my family to death so that the truly evil people can't kill any of them?"
Not sure how you got that out of my diatribe. My point is if we execute people "proven" to have committed serious crimes, they can't victimize anyone else. Instead our "legal" system "understands them" and makes excuses for their behavior instead of doing what it is supposed to do. PROTECT SOCIETY.
Just googled the recidivism rate for my state for the last years it's posted. 39%. Meaning that over one third of those who were incarcerated were arrested again. And of those who were sentenced again, only 8% actually went to jail. The 39% that make up the recidivists obviously prove out current system isn't working.
Time for a radical and severe change in how we deal with criminals.
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Of course it doesn't work. We lock people up with worse criminals, dump them on the streets and make sure no one will hire them. That isn't the way other places do things, and those places don't have high recidivism rates.
If you want your prison system to only punish, society will be punished along with the prisoners.
DerekR
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Every time I think about the death penalty, it makes me consider what Jesus would say or think. Call me crazy, but that is my default mindset when it comes to moral questions.
xTopGun
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My go to mindset is this.... if a rabid animal bit someone's child, what would that child's parent want done with that animal - - -
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DerekR
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I don't know how Jesus felt about animals. I eat them every day.My go to mindset is this.... if a rabid animal bit someone's child, what would that child's parent want done with that animal - - -
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xTopGun
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and some should simply end up treated as "roadkill"..... just say'n
I often think of the millions of dollars and time that was wasted on Charles Manson and his followers. I don't think Charles perpetrated all of the murders but at his urging his followers were in his control. Every one of them should have been executed, but the State of Californication had outlawed capital punishment. These "Cancers on Society" have been allowed to continue life some even being "paroled".
DGW1949
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"What Jesus would say or think" is addressed in the Bible when he explained to his disciples that he didn't come to do away with the Law, but to fulfill it....
The Law as handed down through Moses and the Prophets was/is quite clear in regards to capitol punishment being required for specific crimes.
The remark that I refereed to can be found in Mathew. He also stated in another passage that the awaiting punishment for those who harm a child is worse than drowning, so again we see His stance on capitol crimes....
If you care to look, there's other stuff in the Bible about Law and punishment too. If you have a Bible, read it. God's Word very straightforward.....no big mystery to it....That way, one doesn't have to wonder.
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So instead of revenge fantasy in a race based society of barely any consequences, how about just a little common sense?
Caught, prosecuted, tried and released or convicted. No trades, no plea deals, no parole, no "good" time benefits. Just conviction and punishment.
Murder, including every form of murder, lucid or not. Death penalty. What ever is cheapest and most available. Shot, hang, throat cut, what ever just get it done by noon the day after conviction.
Same for kidnapping, rape, and FALSE WITNESS in any capital punishment crime and trial.
Erase their name and heritage from every public record, never to be spoken of again, burn everything they ever owned. No speeches, no books deals, no notes, letters, no pictures.
Caught, prosecuted, tried and released or convicted. No trades, no plea deals, no parole, no "good" time benefits. Just conviction and punishment.
Murder, including every form of murder, lucid or not. Death penalty. What ever is cheapest and most available. Shot, hang, throat cut, what ever just get it done by noon the day after conviction.
Same for kidnapping, rape, and FALSE WITNESS in any capital punishment crime and trial.
Erase their name and heritage from every public record, never to be spoken of again, burn everything they ever owned. No speeches, no books deals, no notes, letters, no pictures.
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