After the tragedy in Newtown, all the 22 ammo was sold off the shelves. Now I am different than lots of people cause I have literally shot 100's of 1000's rds of 22 ammunition. I have bought 22 ammo by the cases for yrs. I had a lot of 22 ammo putback and I took advantage of a situation and sold a bunch for a hefty profit margin. I fully believe in a free market economy. I predicted in 6mo's there would be 22 ammo everywhere again. Here it is 4+yrs later and there has never been a steady supply at our local Wal-Mart. Now I can get on GB and buy cases everyday, but it amazes Me the largest retailer in the world cannot keep an inventory of 22 ammo. Sportsman's warehouse can buy seemingly unending supply of 22 ammo and WalMart can't?? I have come to the mindset WalMart does not want to sell 22 ammo.
22 ammo since Newtown
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graygun
Hunter
Maybe they just sell a token amount.
contender
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Well, quite often,,, before Newtowne,,,, wally world had already been curtailing firearm & ammo sales in many areas. I'd say they are not as concerned about it as the consumers are.
I stopped by a Cabelas about 1-1/2 weeks ago. NOT a large amount available. But what struck me was the many different, foreign types of 22 that were there. But the selection of CCI, Federal, Remington & Winchester was NOT anywhere near what it was prior to the shortage. And the prices were about double what they were before the crunch.
Not what it used to be.
I stopped by a Cabelas about 1-1/2 weeks ago. NOT a large amount available. But what struck me was the many different, foreign types of 22 that were there. But the selection of CCI, Federal, Remington & Winchester was NOT anywhere near what it was prior to the shortage. And the prices were about double what they were before the crunch.
Not what it used to be.
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Hmm...why a shortage of .22? That wasn't what was used...
Pat-inCO
Hawkeye
There was a video out just after the "shortage" started, by CCI, that
showed the process of making .22lr. At that time the . . one . . location
was running 24/7 and put out something like (IIRC) seven million rounds
of .22lr per day. Just the one location, just the one manufacturer. :shock:
Funny how that video disappeared. It was really nice to see just exactly
how they made the ammo.
Interesting how one manufacturer, at only ONE of its plants could churn
out so much ammo and have a "shortage". Kinda like gasoline was back
in the '70s. :roll: Now that the gas prices are HIGH, there suddenly is
plenty of gas.
If I say any more this will need to go into political.
showed the process of making .22lr. At that time the . . one . . location
was running 24/7 and put out something like (IIRC) seven million rounds
of .22lr per day. Just the one location, just the one manufacturer. :shock:
Funny how that video disappeared. It was really nice to see just exactly
how they made the ammo.
Interesting how one manufacturer, at only ONE of its plants could churn
out so much ammo and have a "shortage". Kinda like gasoline was back
in the '70s. :roll: Now that the gas prices are HIGH, there suddenly is
plenty of gas.
If I say any more this will need to go into political.
contender
Ruger Guru
Shortages,,, caused by the fact we can't reload it, only 4 plants make it, and the demands placed upon them increasing when it became unavailable. But do the math.
Let's say each facility can make 8 million rounds per day.
8,000,000 divided by 100 rounds per box equals 80,000 boxes.
80,000 boxes divided by 5 boxes per brick, equals 16,000 bricks.
16,000 bricks, divided by 5 bricks per case, and that's 3200 cases per day.
3200 cases per day multiplied by 4 manufacturers equals 12,800 cases per day.
90 million gun owners in the country, of which most own at least 1 .22 cal firearm, who buy by the brick, (usually).
But for arguments sake,,, let's reduce the number to 80 million buyers of .22 ammo.
80 million gun owners wanting ammo when only 64,000 bricks per day are being made.
In 30 days, 64,000 bricks equals 1,920000 bricks made by 4 makers and we still have 78 million gun owners wanting ammo. And that is if each gun owner was able to buy only one brick per month.
Supply & demand.
Add in the lack of supply, demands increased beyond normal demands 10 fold. Enter extreme shortages & scalpers.
8,000,000 rounds of ammo per day sounds alike a lot until you realize the true numbers.
Let's say each facility can make 8 million rounds per day.
8,000,000 divided by 100 rounds per box equals 80,000 boxes.
80,000 boxes divided by 5 boxes per brick, equals 16,000 bricks.
16,000 bricks, divided by 5 bricks per case, and that's 3200 cases per day.
3200 cases per day multiplied by 4 manufacturers equals 12,800 cases per day.
90 million gun owners in the country, of which most own at least 1 .22 cal firearm, who buy by the brick, (usually).
But for arguments sake,,, let's reduce the number to 80 million buyers of .22 ammo.
80 million gun owners wanting ammo when only 64,000 bricks per day are being made.
In 30 days, 64,000 bricks equals 1,920000 bricks made by 4 makers and we still have 78 million gun owners wanting ammo. And that is if each gun owner was able to buy only one brick per month.
Supply & demand.
Add in the lack of supply, demands increased beyond normal demands 10 fold. Enter extreme shortages & scalpers.
8,000,000 rounds of ammo per day sounds alike a lot until you realize the true numbers.
CGDustDevil
Buckeye
krw said:
WalMart gets .22 in all the time here in Casa Grande... It's just that when the ammo shows up, the buyers show up with it. They have smart phone aps that tell 'em when, where and how many boxes are coming according to the sporting goods folks. They always show up in numbers sufficient to buy all there is at a 3 box limit per customer. The Walmart ammo that never reaches the store shelves can be easily found at local gun shops and gun shows at considerably higher prices.
Free market yanno...
But even before Sandy Hook, .22 was beginning to get somewhat scarce... (In part due to the proliferation of semi-auto rifles of the 'tactical' configuration according to people I've talked to.) I could still buy a brick or two here and there, but it certainly wasn't ALWAYS on the shelf the way it used to be back before the gun buying craze started shortly after the current administration was sworn in.
And government agencies have been buying up ammo by the billions of rounds which further taxes production.
contender
Ruger Guru
And during all this shortage stuff,,, I've bought ammo when I could when the price wasn't a scalpers price. Why? Because I still enjoy shooting my .22's.
And look at other factors. We have people who compete in various competitions of different types who use a LOT more than a brick a month. Or various training programs etc. Lots of demands,,, not a lot of supply.
We do our NRA WOT clinics with 22's and use a box of 50 per lady. At about 20 ladies,,, that's 2 bricks there.
And look at other factors. We have people who compete in various competitions of different types who use a LOT more than a brick a month. Or various training programs etc. Lots of demands,,, not a lot of supply.
We do our NRA WOT clinics with 22's and use a box of 50 per lady. At about 20 ladies,,, that's 2 bricks there.
CGDustDevil
Buckeye
contender said:
Ty's pretty well summed it up!
NikA
Hunter
I was lucky enough to find 22lr ammo at Walmart last month for the first time since 2012, and my experience buying it explained at lot to me about the shortage.
The brand was Winchester SuperX, which was not labelled on the shelf. I requested a price before committing to the purchase: 6.95+tax. The salesperson indicated that this was not a brand that had been previously stocked, hence the lack of shelf labelling. There were maybe 2 sleeves available (10 boxes @ 100 rounds). I was allowed to purchase 3 boxes per Walmart's 22lr sales policy. As I completed my purchase, a woman of about 60 came up to the ammo counter and asked if I was buying 22s; I replied yes and there were more available, which resulted in her collecting additional family members to purchase the rest of the available boxes. This type of behavior was also an option for me, but that 22lr would have to be half that cost for me to even be tempted.
So in Walmart's case, I suspect the problem is:
1) The logistics of negotiating a steady supply of 22lr ammo at "Walmart" prices is not something they want to or need to put much effort into.
2) The client base is large enough and diverse enough that there is always someone on the prowl for what little is available.
3) Since prices at Walmart never spiked as hard as the prices on the open market, it's been an especially opportunistic place to purchase ammo, resulting in further demand.
Given it's a publicly traded company that has resisted price gouging its customers for profit in this area where market forces allowed people to charge a dollar a round a couple years ago, I think Walmart has done pretty respectably in terms of serving the ammunition needs of firearm owners. They even suspended their online inventory tracking on ammo to give more buyers a chance; apparently un-/underemployed people view scalping as a legitimate income stream (don't ask me how that works). If anything, the problem is upstream with the manufacturers, who ultimately decide where the supply goes and how much gets produced at what cost.
Or the federal government's coming to take all the guns again... just like they've done every election season...
The brand was Winchester SuperX, which was not labelled on the shelf. I requested a price before committing to the purchase: 6.95+tax. The salesperson indicated that this was not a brand that had been previously stocked, hence the lack of shelf labelling. There were maybe 2 sleeves available (10 boxes @ 100 rounds). I was allowed to purchase 3 boxes per Walmart's 22lr sales policy. As I completed my purchase, a woman of about 60 came up to the ammo counter and asked if I was buying 22s; I replied yes and there were more available, which resulted in her collecting additional family members to purchase the rest of the available boxes. This type of behavior was also an option for me, but that 22lr would have to be half that cost for me to even be tempted.
So in Walmart's case, I suspect the problem is:
1) The logistics of negotiating a steady supply of 22lr ammo at "Walmart" prices is not something they want to or need to put much effort into.
2) The client base is large enough and diverse enough that there is always someone on the prowl for what little is available.
3) Since prices at Walmart never spiked as hard as the prices on the open market, it's been an especially opportunistic place to purchase ammo, resulting in further demand.
Given it's a publicly traded company that has resisted price gouging its customers for profit in this area where market forces allowed people to charge a dollar a round a couple years ago, I think Walmart has done pretty respectably in terms of serving the ammunition needs of firearm owners. They even suspended their online inventory tracking on ammo to give more buyers a chance; apparently un-/underemployed people view scalping as a legitimate income stream (don't ask me how that works). If anything, the problem is upstream with the manufacturers, who ultimately decide where the supply goes and how much gets produced at what cost.
Or the federal government's coming to take all the guns again... just like they've done every election season...
Pat-inCO said:
I don't think it was that high. But at the time, I crunched the numbers, that supply divided by just Wal-mart stores and it came out to 2 or 3 bulk packs per store. Factor in many thousands of other retail sellers and it's easy to see why there was a shortage.
Our local Walmart has has a "No .22's" sign for 6 years or so. I believe they're just not ordering it any more. I can't remember the last time I saw Federal bulk 550's on a store shelf.
I, too, am seeing a lot of foreign ammo. I have a couple of bricks + some of the Aguila 40 gr. copper washed RN's. I've heard that Aguila, made in Mexico, is pretty good stuff. I'll find out when the weather cools. I questioned a salesman in Sportsman's Warehouse about the price of Rem. Golden Bullets being higher than the far superior, IMHO, CCI Mini Mags and Winchester Power Points. He said Rem. sent them a memo about their price increases :roll:
There's so much .22 ammo now that I still buy a couple of bricks if I see something I want at a fair price. Rest assured, another shortage is coming. Stocking up now when there's plenty for everyone just makes good sense. If H gets elected, you can expect a shortage of everything. I want to have gun related items, like .22's, to barter with. What good is your $ if you can't get primers? I wouldn't want to sell them to you, but I might need 500 pieces of 45 ACP brass that you have.
I, too, am seeing a lot of foreign ammo. I have a couple of bricks + some of the Aguila 40 gr. copper washed RN's. I've heard that Aguila, made in Mexico, is pretty good stuff. I'll find out when the weather cools. I questioned a salesman in Sportsman's Warehouse about the price of Rem. Golden Bullets being higher than the far superior, IMHO, CCI Mini Mags and Winchester Power Points. He said Rem. sent them a memo about their price increases :roll:
There's so much .22 ammo now that I still buy a couple of bricks if I see something I want at a fair price. Rest assured, another shortage is coming. Stocking up now when there's plenty for everyone just makes good sense. If H gets elected, you can expect a shortage of everything. I want to have gun related items, like .22's, to barter with. What good is your $ if you can't get primers? I wouldn't want to sell them to you, but I might need 500 pieces of 45 ACP brass that you have.
m657
Buckeye
About 3 weeks ago I noted the FIRST 22LR ammo on WM shelves I've seen in nearly 8 years.
They let me buy "3".
I've been back a couple times for other items. The 22LR shelf remains bare.
They let me buy "3".
I've been back a couple times for other items. The 22LR shelf remains bare.
GunnyGene
Hawkeye
I wouldn't be surprised if .223/5.56, 9mm and other popular calibers will be in short supply pretty soon. Most of the gun sales these days are AR's and 9mm pistols, and people will need to feed them.
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Plenty of .22LR around here in NH. All sorts of brands and types.
The only tough one to find is CCI Standard Velocity, which of course is my preferred brand for competition. lol....
Here's the August flyer prices from my favorite LGS.
Remington Bucket O' Bullets 1400rds for $99.99
Aguila Target, Match & Standard 500rds for $48.99
CCI Mini-Mag 100rds for $7.99
Winchester SUPER X 100rds $7.99
Remington Golden Bullet 100rds for $8.69
The only tough one to find is CCI Standard Velocity, which of course is my preferred brand for competition. lol....
Here's the August flyer prices from my favorite LGS.
Remington Bucket O' Bullets 1400rds for $99.99
Aguila Target, Match & Standard 500rds for $48.99
CCI Mini-Mag 100rds for $7.99
Winchester SUPER X 100rds $7.99
Remington Golden Bullet 100rds for $8.69
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GunnyGene said:
I'm expecting this to happen around election time, especially if it looks like Hillary will win.
powder smoke
Hawkeye
We got to face reality no matter the cause of the shortage things will
never be like the old days. Stock up when you can and shoot as much as you can.
Thing is 22's no matter what your age is a whole lotta fun especially with the grandchildren.
I save all mine for when they come over.
ps
never be like the old days. Stock up when you can and shoot as much as you can.
Thing is 22's no matter what your age is a whole lotta fun especially with the grandchildren.
I save all mine for when they come over.
psRay Newman
Blackhawk
"There was a video out just after the "shortage" started, by CCI, that
showed the process of making .22lr....
"Funny how that video disappeared. It was really nice to see just exactly
how they made the ammo."
--Pat-in-CO
It never "disappeared": https://www.full30.com/video/51e453e71ecdab4ac27cd3a3400a403e
showed the process of making .22lr....
"Funny how that video disappeared. It was really nice to see just exactly
how they made the ammo."
--Pat-in-CO
It never "disappeared": https://www.full30.com/video/51e453e71ecdab4ac27cd3a3400a403e
Pat-inCO
Hawkeye
I'll disagree. This is a great video, but it is . . not . . the one that was onRay Newman said:
YouTube a few years back.
For anyone else, how do you slowly disable the populace from having
guns, without "outlawing" them? You raise the prices so the average
(if such a thing exists) person can not afford them . . . or the ammo. :roll:
Ray Newman
Blackhawk
Pat in CO: as you referred to a missing/disappeared You Tube video, does You Tube periodically cull its videos based upon length, when posted, number of views, etc?
In the past, I tried to find previously viewed videos about certain woodworking techniques and machinery and shooting related techniques and can not find them.
In the past, I tried to find previously viewed videos about certain woodworking techniques and machinery and shooting related techniques and can not find them.
exavid
Hunter
If any other state follows CA's example and requiring background checks for ammo that may reduce the backlog. Stupid, but it will cut down buying just because of the bother that will be. I wonder how much the background check in CA for ammo will cost? $25 background for three 50rd boxes of .22s?
Let's face it folks if that sorry excuse for a human being is elected we're well and truly shafted.
Let's face it folks if that sorry excuse for a human being is elected we're well and truly shafted.
