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oh my god! Last week I bought some ammo from Scheels. I posted about that how they ask what I’m doing with it, shooting vs stocking up.

I saw a Ruger revolver so I went back the next day and bought it.

At the same time, someone else tried trading in a gun. This guy had reported his gun as stolen, then remembered he still had it and tried trading it in.

Scheels told the police in both Frisco and McKinney that that was me,

I just got a phone call from the Frisco police detective looking into this matter.

He had video of me taking my dog into the store, empty handed, buying the gun and then leaving in my Green BMW. He knew I bought a revolver.

He called my wife first and then me. He said she was listed as a contact on my drivers license.

He assured me no law was broken and I’m not a suspect. Apparently the guy who reported the gun stolen removed it from the stolen list before trading it in.

Last effin’ time I will ever go near that Scheels store. I’m so mad right now.
 
Yaworski said:
You're not a suspect .. . . now. You're now on a list. Your name is in the database.
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Exactly. Scheels gave the police video of me, not the other guy who tried trading in the “stolen” gun.

And yeah, it probably was an insurance scam. Or hiding a gun because he was getting divorced? Reports it stolen then the soon to be ex wife can’t get it.
 
Kevin said:
Exactly. Scheels gave the police video of me, not the other guy who tried trading in the “stolen” gun.

And yeah, it probably was an insurance scam. Or hiding a gun because he was getting divorced? Reports it stolen then the soon to be ex wife can’t get it.
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How in the world would you know they never gave the police any other videos. I bet as an police investigator you didn't get the full story of evidence and interviews. Police never share all the story or evidence with all involved, it doesn't happen. Unless it's in a courtroom.
 
kmoore said:
How in the world would you know they never gave the police any other videos. I bet as a police investigator you didn't get the full story of evidence and interviews. Police never share all the story or evidence with all involved, it doesn't happen. Unless it's in a courtroom.
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They could have gotten video of other people.

But why contact me? I was told Scheels said I was the one trading in the firearm.

Videos of other people are irrelevant
 
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I have a semi-plausible theory.... but it is predicated on if the guy was trading in the gun for a new one or selling them a used gun.
 
Kevin said:
They could have gotten video of other people.

But why contact me? I was told Scheels said I was the one trading in the firearm.

Videos of other people are irrelevant
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Sounds like Scheels screwed the pooch. They have so many PT employees. Could be anyone involved in selling guns one day weren't around the next. It sure should have easy for them to know 1 gun sale from another or one trade in vs a sale. The whole episode might bring in ATF to look at their firearms record keeping at that store. Yes, pretty bad if they can't ID a purchaser from a guy trading in when asked.
 
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In my lifetime I have bought, sold, traded, many dozens of guns. During all of these years I had two experiences with the ATF that was really weird. I wont bore you with details, but it will make ya nervous and I was fortunate that I was never charged with anything. I have several friends who will absolutely never buy a gun unless it is person to person no paperwork involved.
 
So much weird stuff here. They could have referenced their Acquisition & Disposition log, then verified that to sales media for the transaction information. Also, the retailer doesn't just offer any video to PD. There is a chain of custody procedure that needs to be used when PD requests video. It sounds to me that a clerk was absent minded, or lazy and couldn't remember exact times and didn't know how to research the correct information. It's surprising that a Manager/MOD didn't know either. So a wide timeframe was most likely requested by PD and they were following up.

What I don't get is why. The other customer was trading in a gun that he reported stolen at one time, but it was removed from the "stolen" list so it was no longer "stolen"? It had to have flagged when the retailer entered the serial number into the system. But why if it was removed? I'm not familiar with Scheels system, in fact it's been awhile since I dabbled in it, the ones I have seen don't give a history, just yay or nay. But yes, most big box/chain retailers that have the ability to take in/sell used guns it is SOP to notify management who will notify PD. In fact some of the systems did it automatically.
 
Scheels does pay attention to gun sales. My BIL bought a rifle from them that when he got it home realized they had given him the youth model of that rifle. Of course he lives near 200 miles from the Scheels store, so he sent to rifle to me via his wife who had an appointment in town and asked me to return it for him. I was then to meet with his wife and give her the correct one. He wanted me to do the exchange because she wouldn't have known if it was the correct one or not.

Well, wasn't that interesting. All the numbers were correct, it was all set, THEY made the original mistake, but I was NOT the guy they sold it to. It took a while, but they finally got a manager to do the switch. I asked them to call my BIL and have him identify me to their approval. They hemmed and hawed around for a while, then finally let me go with the correct rifle.

At one point I asked if they thought I stole it and was trying to get a different one, but then how would I know where he bought it and it was due for a return? I had the receipt as well. It was really a mix-up. This was several years ago, and although I had been shopping at times at Scheels in Iowa and South Dakota, I have never been back.
 
I'm quite familiar with Scheels in Fargo all the way back to when it was a hardware store and they had multiple stores in Fargo- Moorhead. Years ago they started making up their own "addition" to the 4473 form. I can't remember the extra questions but they basically got snoopy asking about 5 personal questions. I used to write in whatever I thought they wanted to hear because it wasn't an official form. I also pay cash for all guns these days because they connected your credit card purchases of guns to advertising so God knows who else they sell your info too. At check out they always ask your phone number or date of birth on ammo purchases etc. this also connects with your credit card info. They are just horrible data miners. Sounds like they gave cops the wrong video on you but as stated you're now in the system. Report a gun stolen now and this prior incident, mistaken identity or not, will come up. My advice buy no paperwork guns and buy ammo with cash at hardware stores. Atf now also works gun shows actively so make sure you follow all the rules.
 
The really odd thing is that the detective even contacted y'all. Since it was obvious in the video that you were not the person trading in the gun. I'm not surprised that the store screwed up or what ever... most of the people that work in these places are just walking thought life with out a clue. But don't really see the big deal... you know you are being filmed when ever you walk into any store.. heck I'm being filmed a lot of the time when at peoples houses.... finally learned to look around before going behind a house to pee in a bush....

You bringing that new Ruger with you on Saturday right?
 
blume357 said:
The really odd thing is that the detective even contacted y'all. Since it was obvious in the video that you were not the person trading in the gun. I'm not surprised that the store screwed up or what ever... most of the people that work in these places are just walking thought life with out a clue. But don't really see the big deal... you know you are being filmed when ever you walk into any store.. heck I'm being filmed a lot of the time when at peoples houses.... finally learned to look around before going behind a house to pee in a bush....

You bringing that new Ruger with you on Saturday right?
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I am bringing it. And in looking it over, it's got some handling marks, but I'm really not even sure if it's been shot. It doesn't have the tell tale crude that you can never get clean at all. Well, you'll see but it looks "new"
 
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What likely happened was the store turned over all the surveillance video from a large block of time and the detectives contacted anyone that did business at that counter in a said large block of time. When actually doing their jobs, they look into every detail. They have no way of knowing whether or not you are in cahoots with the other guy. Why they were looking into him when he reported the gun stolen then did a take back is another matter. Probably has to do with the 80% of the iceberg we can't see. The cops ain't gonna tell you all they know.
 
I've been called by stores more than once and asked to come back to help straighten out paperwork mistakes they made.

never had the authorities called on me for suspicion of, or witness to, criminal activity after buying a gun but have to agree it would be very unsettling.

store management would have to be very sincere in their apology and extend at least some small token for my inconvenience or certainly lose my future business.
 
I'm still trying to figure out exactly why the police even called you. I can see how there might have been a delay in getting the guy's gun off the stolen list and so the store reports it but then it seems the detective or someone got the current status of it and then that should have been the end of it whether they had seen the video or not... at least that is how I read the whole thing.... they knew the guy had done nothing wrong and you were just in the store buying 'something'. and so .... the detective calls to tell you you are no longer a suspect for something you had no idea you were even suspected of? Seems to me they could spend their time (our tax dollars) a little better.
 
Sadly,, in today's environment,, when it comes to firearms,, too many people who are NOT well educated seem to go overboard in their actions or attitudes when it comes to gun owners & what goes on.

If it were me,, I'd politely go back to the store,, ask for the store manager,, and get him/her to give you the regional manager's contact info. Then I'd file a formal complaint with the regional manager,, and let them handle things.
To be contacted by the cops, while in error,, due to a store's actions puts the blame on poor customer treatment back upon the clerk/store & their management.
The cops were most likely doing their job, and yes,, they rarely tell anyone ALL that they know or are doing.

By politely letting them (the store) know how you were treated,, MIGHT get them to realize they can & will lose customers over such crap.

If they ignore you, or the store manager refuses to give you the regional manager's contact info,, go online & start at the top in an internet search.

How the store responds will tell you how they feel about your business.
 
There is a lot of WTF going on in this thread, rampant paranoia, trying to return firearms you did not purchase, data miners, and plain surprise that video surveillance is alive and well. Contender said it best. Follow his lead.
 
Chief said:
There is a lot of WTF going on in this thread, rampant paranoia, trying to return firearms you did not purchase, data miners, and plain surprise that video surveillance is alive and well. Contender said it best. Follow his lead.
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I agree for the most part. However, if you follow Contenders lead you may want to ask for the District Manager before the Regional Manager. In my experience in these scenarios most likely you will be given the corporate number and dance through the prompts. Eventually it will get to operations, but they typically have no control over nor can speak to CCTV surveillance. That will be up to Asset Protection/Loss Prevention.....with that said, if PD is involved it is a PD investigation and that means nobody will say anything aside from "sorry, it's a Police matter".

Honestly, everyone is getting worked up over nothing in my opinion. Geezus....folks get upset when they feel LE does nothing and get upset when they do.....:rolleyes:
 
Jayhawkhuntclub said:
Mistakes happen. Unfortunate for you, but that's life. I wouldn't hold it against Scheels. But that's just me.
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ON the contrary
SCHEELS involved a customer in a legal dispute
The customer was blindsided
Customer is now FLAGGED IN ATF DATABASE
SCHEELS WILL NEVER SEE ME ON CAMERA
BECAUSE IF SOMEONE ELSE IS COMMITTING A CRIME IN THE BACKGROUND
THEY WILL HAPPILY INVOLVE ME. DICKS, SCHEELS, ACADEMY
AND MULTIPLE OTHERS WILL NOT SEE ME ON THEIR VIDEO
 
OneShotRuger said:
DICKS, SCHEELS, ACADEMY
AND MULTIPLE OTHERS WILL NOT SEE ME ON THEIR VIDEO
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Well you must be one dedicated online shopper for just about everything because surveillance is everywhere you go. Especially retail businesses.

.....or you are the invisible man.

Additionally, Scheel's did not happily involve people. Scheels has no control over a police investigation. They have to provide video surveillance when requested. Either the easy way vis chain of custody release, or subpoena. Trust me, if video is acquired of an incident and investigators do their due diligence people in the background may be followed up with/interviewed. You never know what tid bit can be useful evidence. That's investigating 101.
 
Flagged in a ATF data base over this case. No.
This was a PD theft/recovery. Data was entered into the FBI database and local PD. Thats where theft reports go to.
Kevin was not a suspect, not listed as a suspect. His information likely was entered into their databases as a person interviewed. Databases have suspects. victims, witnesses and others mentioned. Kevin would be other(s) mentioned. This investigation would not have been done by ATF, but as I mentioned they may look at Scheels record keeping. If anyone notifies them of this screw up.
 
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