Red Label Returning!!!!

[GasGuzzler]

When buying a BROWNING are you really buying a Browning?

When buying a new Marlin are you really buying a Marlin? (no)

 

[G2]

My thoughts, I would most likely never spend the kind of money that CSMC charges for anything they make… Don’t know if anybody on this forum would either. (well maybe 1 or 2 here might)

My second year production (sn# 400-0366X) 20 gauge red label is one of my prized Ruger’s and I enjoy it on Skeet, Quail, Doves, and Pheasants.
I sold my 12 gauge RL because I hiked to the duck blind and that thing was heavy,,,,
Dog died, and no longer hunt duck. No need.

I think the CSMC/ Ruger RL will most likely be a very nice offering, and looking at the prices on the CSMC website it will be a value.
Will it be a Ruger? Yep, just like a Japanese Miroku is a Browning.
Ruger / Marlin is a good example of nice offerings, Definitely better built than SOME of the years of Marlin.

I think the CSMC “About Us” webpage is a good interesting read. The entire website is interesting.

https://connecticutshotgun.co/about-us/

 

[gunzo]

much ado about nothing really.

 

[GYJ44]

My thoughts, I would most likely never spend the kind of money that CSMC charges for anything they make… Don’t know if anybody on this forum would either. (well maybe 1 or 2 here might)

How much do people pay for factory engraved Single Sixes?

 

[Larryburford]

Maybe I can get the 28Ga Red Label I have always wanted. I have a nice engraved 20 ga Red Label.

 

[G2]

28 Gauge/ ,,, a 1981 Upland/ 26”/ M/IC.

Acquired same model gun, just 40 #’s apart from a good friend, for years it went back and forth between us.
On its way to me it ended up getting stolen from his truck at a gun show.

Last year the pictured gun (40 sn#s apart from original) showed up on Guns International, it was my birthday, Excited to have the 28 gauge back!

 

[troystaten]

I just saw the news about the Red Label returning. I also saw the MSRP (roughly 3300 dollars) on the Ruger website. Even though the old ones sell for a premium over what they sold for new I don't think the prices on the old ones will suffer much. I have one of the original 20 gauge ones and it is a nice shotgun but I don't shoot it often. About 12 years ago it had some problems and I sent it to Ruger and they fixed it and returned it at no charge. Too bad the parts and service are no longer available from them. It will be interesting to see how Ruger does with the newest version. For those who are interested the guy who does the Youtube Channel TGS outdoors reviews one of the originals.

 

[GasGuzzler]

Even though the old ones sell for a premium over what they sold for new I don't think the prices on the old ones will suffer much.

Really. Red Label sold locally last month for $1400. That's way less than the old MSRP, right? They don't come up for sale very often at all so it's hard for me to say if that was a fluke.

 

[hittman]

Looks to me like Red Labels in 20 gauge bring an average of $1400 or so on GunBroker. One NIB was $1800 and one mint no box was only $1050 or thereabouts. There’s always highs and lows. What I rarely see is a shooter grade Red Label …. Not sure why that is.

 

[rugerguy]

Better yet ,make it a NIB ( and case) 20 GA... with a 2 digit serial number, as well as the SAME 2 digit serial numbered gun but in stainless 12 ga....hmmmmmm

 

[hittman]

Nice one!

 

[gunzo]

Really. Red Label sold locally last month for $1400. That's way less than the old MSRP, right? They don't come up for sale very often at all so it's hard for me to say if that was a fluke.

No. The msrp for an original RL was not a lot more than $1400. Actually,,, the new for 1983 12 ga. RL had a$798 retail, & dealer was $606.48. Remembering I paid about $685 for a 12ga. skeet model with the prettiest wood of the lot in 84 or 5. So, the old MSRP was not more than 1400 unless you are specific about year & model. But it basically means nothing. So what does that mean in today's market??? Nothing. The 3rd gen is an entirely new & different gun. Todays pricing is what it is,,,,, good, bad, or ugly.
Throwing out used prices for whatever gun is being discussed is meaningless, can't you understand that? It's best to give it a rest really, & for us to concentrate on the new gun at hand,,, or not.

 

[bobski]

im hoping you all read closely that csm is just MAKING the rrl for ruger, right? csm's customer service will have nothing to do with the rrl the way i read it.

 

[onthehunt]

I for one am glad Ruger didn't go the other way and put out a flat black Khyber Pass special that a lot of companies are doing these days. The price is not out of line to me and CSMC makes great shotguns. My only question is warranty work. Ruger is know for it's customer service. The three B's are also known for their customer service in the complete opposite way. I have experienced it personally and it's unbelievable to me the level of service you get with a "premium" shotgun.

 

[GasGuzzler]

$800 in 1983 is the same as $2300 now. Yes, it makes a difference. Ask those that paid $2K for a Ruger made Marlin that's worth $900 three years later when real ones are worth over $1000. It doesn't mean nothing ... it means the new ones are way overpriced like I have said all along. That's the point. It will fail sales wise because it's too much.

 

[mjh]

I've been looking at a 20ga doubles for a while. I'll have to check out the CSMC website. My 20ga doesn't have to say Ruger on it for me to be happy. It's about price point, durability, fit--shouldering--swing, support from manufacture. Made in USA would be nice but not required. Browning is at the top of my list right now if I can find the model I'm interested in locally. Franchi is next on the list. The new Ruger I will look at IF I can find one locally IF I don't buy one of the other options first. I'm not going to order online and have one sent to a local FFL.

 

[NH Rugerman]

I visited one of my favorite gun shops yesterday and they had two Ruger RLIII’s in stock. Both were already spoken for unfortunately the owner did allow me to look one of them. They are very nice, the action on the 20 appears to be smaller than the previous iterations of the Red Label. The shotgun comes in a nice case with socks for the two pieces, One of which has “RUGER” embroidered into it, the other sock has “RED LABEL III” embroidered into it. They are black, fleece type material with red lettering. The serial numbers was RL20-000XX, so a two digit gun.

 

[hittman]

Is this like getting to see the very first new hemi charger seen in the wild but posting us pics of the transport truck?

 

[NH Rugerman]

Is this like getting to see the very first new hemi charger seen in the wild but posting us pics of the transport truck?

I was asked not to publically post pics of the gun or serial number as the gun was already sold, so i am honoring that request….there are pictures of the gun on ruger.com.

 

[rugnelli]

I handled a new 28" Red Label III yesterday. Seemed light compared to my 1970's vintage 20 gauge Red Label. Price was $2799.

 

[mrbumps]

Two local shops have had them. They are much lighter than the older ones. Both of these were around $2450

 

[mjh]

Two local shops have had them. They are much lighter than the older ones. Both of these were around $2450

At that price they are worth looking at for me. In the same price range as some Brownings I’m looking at. Gotta find one local though.

 

[bobski]

as many know, im an avid clay shooter that shoots a LOT. i will only say that after shooting some of the best guns in the world.....then picking up a RRL, its like holding a 2x4 in comparison.
no offense, but this return will most likely serve the lower/middle spectrum of quality and need.
and like i mentioned before, csm is heading into that area of business....since their high end is stumbling.

they would be wise to ensure new parts interchange with early RRL's. a lot of old ones out there are probably leaning up against workshop walls dead in need of parts and service.

 

[mjh]

as many know, im an avid clay shooter that shoots a LOT. i will only say that after shooting some of the best guns in the world.....then picking up a RRL, its like holding a 2x4 in comparison.
no offense, but this return will most likely serve the lower/middle spectrum of quality and need.
and like i mentioned before, csm is heading into that area of business....since their high end is stumbling.

they would be wise to ensure new parts interchange with early RRL's. a lot of old ones out there are probably leaning up against workshop walls dead in need of parts and service.

So how does the new RRL compare to shotguns in a similar price range? Most of us aren’t likely going to be shooting the best made guns in the world within this category.

 

[badwhiztaz]

I've just seen a few photos of the new Red Labels on GB, all I've seen are plain Grade 1 walnut stocks, and then there's no recoil pad, both are deal breakers for me for a shotgun in this price range. And for Ruger it's just not right for someone else to be making their guns, it's not a Ruger. I bet William B. Ruger would agree.

 

[bobski]

latest update.
im confirming this on another site...........

They're a rebadged CSMC, which itself is a Rizzini clone.

It has literally NOTHING to do with Ruger other than the name stamped on it, Ruger has zero contribution to the production process. It's a licensed product, not a Ruger gun.

Unless youre literally the SINGLE most hardcore Ruger fanboy on the face of the planet, just buy a Rizzini V3. same gun.
https://store.prophetriver.com/rizzini-v3-sporting-12ga-3-30-wd-bl/#gallery-1

kiss 3 grand goodbye if you want one.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1155211759

 

[bobski]

so, i was wrong. its 100% csm. no ruger in it at all.
all ruger did was slap its name on it.
very sad.

 

[GasGuzzler]

We knew this.

 

[gunzo]

Seems like the "I gotta be first" folks are grabbing these quickly. Every one that have hit the retail market so far sell quickly.

 

[bobski]

maybe you did, but the press releases were saying it would be a ruger design......that csm would make............not a clone copy from italy.