only in NYC !
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Why does that remind me of this scene from 1993's "Demolition Man"?
Back then, the cop's response was looked at as a joke; but now...
Back then, the cop's response was looked at as a joke; but now...
Then there's this.
Chicago Democrat Asks Gangs to Limit Shootings to Late Hours
(just the text not the video)
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/chicago-democrats-gangs/2023/08/19/id/1131315/
Chicago Democrat Asks Gangs to Limit Shootings to Late Hours
(just the text not the video)
https://www.newsmax.com/politics/chicago-democrats-gangs/2023/08/19/id/1131315/
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Y'all don't want to hear it but I was in a webinar / zoom discussion with my churches organization and one of the participants was from the City of 'George Floyd' and they repeatedly said if something bad was going on they absolutely would not call the police.
I hope they do not call the police, with the police not showing up. Let fate run its course!
Well, there may be some "almost good news" coming out of NYC. I saw a news piece about the head of the United Bodegas of America (Fernando Mateo) who said his association has quietly been helping workers obtain carry permits since June 2022. Mateo, has said that bodega employees have been training with former law enforcement officers. "They're not out here to provoke any incidents. We are trained to de-escalate situations," Mateo said. Of the nearly 15,000 members he represents, a few hundred have already obtained their gun licenses and dozens more are working towards their permits. Needless to say, the NY liberals have all commented on how "reckless" this is; I guess they don't believe that one of the ways to stop a bad guy with a gun, is with a good guy with a gun. The good news is that Fernando and the boys/girls are slowly arming themselves and going through proper deescalation training. I guess the facts will ultimately tell the tale if, after a few years, they aren't hidden.
Let us pray,
J.
Let us pray,
J.
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I once had a discussion with someone who disagreed with me about carrying a gun to protect myself. "Why do you need to carry a gun" she asked. My basic premise is that I might have a need to defend myself against someone intent on killing me and that's why I carry a gun. None of my answers placated her. She doesn't like guns and said no one should be allowed to carry a gun, etc. She continued to press the issue and said violence is never justified and that I should just use my negotiating skills instead.
So I answered,
"You mean, the same negotiating skills I've been using with you?"
After that she opened and closed her mouth a few times but no words issued forth.
End of discussion.
So I answered,
"You mean, the same negotiating skills I've been using with you?"
After that she opened and closed her mouth a few times but no words issued forth.
End of discussion.
" She doesn't like guns and said no one should be allowed to carry a gun," In a way she is right.... there should be no guns, the world would be a better place if there were none.... the problem is there always will be and one group that will always want and need weapons are those intent on doing harm... for that reason alone good men and woman who only wish peace need also to be armed.
One of the few fears I have at this stage in my life is I end up in a situation where I need to use a firearm to stop a bad person intent on hurting others and not have the means to stop them. I really don't carry for myself, I've looked down into the valley of death and now realize it is really not that far away for me..... and I have no desire to be a hero or a policeman. . Just the best citizen I can be.
One of the few fears I have at this stage in my life is I end up in a situation where I need to use a firearm to stop a bad person intent on hurting others and not have the means to stop them. I really don't carry for myself, I've looked down into the valley of death and now realize it is really not that far away for me..... and I have no desire to be a hero or a policeman. . Just the best citizen I can be.
Up until the last month or two, I had a lic. to carry concealed in NY State (not the 5 boroughs of NYC); in the 56 years I had the license, I think I may have carried my gun maybe 5-10 times. I turned my lic. in this past summer and now only have a "premise permit" (which still allows me to transport my gun to a range, or other legal event....locked in a secure container). So far, so good...! 
Just sayin',
J.
Just sayin',
J.
For those of us who carry daily, it probably is more common to go decades without ever having a need to draw, let alone fire that firearm for self defense. But the very small chances of needing it are overcome by the catastrophic consequences of needing one and not having one. That is why some of us put up with the inconvenience and possible discomfort, cost and other hassles of carrying a gun every day.
No one but a total idiot believes that if the good folks give up their guns, the bad folks will do the same. Thinking otherwise is a prescription of disaster and for becoming a victim. This reminds me of the saying that I have seen before on this forum and others that "...those that beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks will soon be plowing and pruning for those that didn't."
No one but a total idiot believes that if the good folks give up their guns, the bad folks will do the same. Thinking otherwise is a prescription of disaster and for becoming a victim. This reminds me of the saying that I have seen before on this forum and others that "...those that beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks will soon be plowing and pruning for those that didn't."
Last time I was on an airplane, I was seated next to a nice old gent from Chicago. At some point, we started talking about guns (I tend to read back issues of American Rifleman when I'm flying). He said he didn't think anyone should be allowed to own guns, so I asked why. He explained that, when he was a young man, decades ago, some Chicago thug threatened to kill him. He fled to his home, loaded a SxS shotgun, and waited in terror. There was a knock at the door - and he ALMOST fired the gun through the door (ala 'Crazy Joe' Biden's advice). When he opened the door, it was the mailman or someone, NOT the thug.
So, this old, liberal gentleman figured NOBODY should be allowed to own a gun, because HE lacked self-control, almost killed the mailman, and figured everyone else was the same way. 100% pure "projection" - and a lot of liberals are the same way. I think projection of their own lawlessness & lack of self-control forms the basis of a lot of liberal policies. A lot of liberals know THEY would hump anything with two legs that walked by, so they think LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ+ should be tax-payer-funded & promoted by the federal government. Many liberals know THEY will say literally anything to get the results they want, so they think the feds should censor "misinformation" and "disinformation" (as defined by liberals). And way too many modern liberals know THEY would ignore the law & overthrow the government, if they lost an election, so they falsely accuse conservatives of "Russian collusion" and "insurrection". It's simply projection.
As always IMHO, FWIW, YMMV, etc., etc.
Just out of curiosity, why did you surrender your CCW permit?Up until the last month or two, I had a lic. to carry concealed in NY State (not the 5 boroughs of NYC); in the 56 years I had the license, I think I may have carried my gun maybe 5-10 times. I turned my lic. in this past summer and now only have a "premise permit" (which still allows me to transport my gun to a range, or other legal event....locked in a secure container). So far, so good...!
Just sayin',
J.
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I live in AK for going on 50 years now, on and off. I still have my NYS gun permit. to carry. and yes, a non full time res can have a lic as well. mine issued in 1978. pain in the axx. to now have to renew every 3 years. but now you can carry in NYC. FNC...
It’s never fun to get cancelled and lose everything, but one pleasant side-effect was that I could no longer afford to live in liberal-land (where they love to tell you what to do, what you can’t do, etc., etc.).
I recalled reading this article after reading your post...
https://www.conservativedailynews.c...-man-got-right-about-the-21st-century-so-far/
"There was a knock at the door - and he ALMOST fired the gun through the door"
So he blamed the gun for his ineptitude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, that's good sense. I hope you tactfully told him what a dummy he really is.
So he blamed the gun for his ineptitude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, that's good sense. I hope you tactfully told him what a dummy he really is.
Since the Supreme Court ruled against NY for arbitrarily restricting who can be issued CCW licenses, NY now issues to anyone who is legally eligible; HOWEVER, they have now restricted WHERE you can carry to a point that it's pretty much NO WHERE. Much of this is being challenged but it won't matter much in my lifetime. The second reason is that the CCW is now only good for three years while the premise permit is good for 5 years. And, finally, since I basically never really "carried concealed" in the 56 years I had it, why bother (?). I continue to shoot and "collect" just as I had all along with no change to my behavior. I should add that the CCW license now requires an 18 hour training program ($500 in my area of NY). I did take the training just to see what it was about (including 2 hrs of holstering work and live fire). It was interesting, and worth the money to me. P.S. An interesting fact re: NYS law (per the $500 training course) it is a state that specifically does NOT allow you to stand your ground; even in a home invasion, if you can escape, you are required, by law, to do so, rather than shoot the intruder.
Per Far North Collector:
"I live in AK for going on 50 years now, on and off. I still have my NYS gun permit. to carry. and yes, a non full time res can have a lic as well. mine issued in 1978. pain in the axx. to now have to renew every 3 years. but now you can carry in NYC. FNC..."
Just an FYI FNC, you can NOT carry in any of the 5 boroughs of NYC despite the misinformation out there. How do I know? That myth was debunked in the certified NYS training that was given by certified trainers. The only exception to this is retired LEOs (from any state) who have passed annual HR-218 training and are in possession of an HR-218 card. And YES, there are a few non-resident CCW license holders known to me; and no, they can't carry in NYC boroughs either
J.
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I just double checked, you are correct. my folks back home are ny state troopers. it was banned, then that was overturned, then new rules redone. due to Supreme Court ruling. it can still be done with NYC permission. but I'd never have a reason to go to NYC. that place sucks...fncSince the Supreme Court ruled against NY for arbitrarily restricting who can be issued CCW licenses, NY now issues to anyone who is legally eligible; HOWEVER, they have now restricted WHERE you can carry to a point that it's pretty much NO WHERE. Much of this is being challenged but it won't matter much in my lifetime. The second reason is that the CCW is now only good for three years while the premise permit is good for 5 years. And, finally, since I basically never really "carried concealed" in the 56 years I had it, why bother (?). I continue to shoot and "collect" just as I had all along with no change to my behavior. I should add that the CCW license now requires an 18 hour training program ($500 in my area of NY). I did take the training just to see what it was about (including 2 hrs of holstering work and live fire). It was interesting, and worth the money to me. P.S. An interesting fact re: NYS law (per the $500 training course) it is a state that specifically does NOT allow you to stand your ground; even in a home invasion, if you can escape, you are required, by law, to do so, rather than shoot the intruder.
Per Far North Collector:
"I live in AK for going on 50 years now, on and off. I still have my NYS gun permit. to carry. and yes, a non full time res can have a lic as well. mine issued in 1978. pain in the axx. to now have to renew every 3 years. but now you can carry in NYC. FNC..."
Just an FYI FNC, you can NOT carry in any of the 5 boroughs of NYC despite the misinformation out there. How do I know? That myth was debunked in the certified NYS training that was given by certified trainers. The only exception to this is retired LEOs (from any state) who have passed annual HR-218 training and are in possession of an HR-218 card. And YES, there are a few non-resident CCW license holders known to me; and no, they can't carry in NYC boroughs either
J.
Yes, a person can apply for a NYC carry license and, assuming you know the right people, get one... it certainly isn't worth it since you're going to jail if you shoot anyone :-((.... there was a big shake up quite a few years ago revolving around the "favored" getting licenses.... nuff said.
I'm a lot closer to NYC than you are and I haven't been in there (except for two medical procedures) in 35 years.... It really does suck..!!
Merry Christmas Scott.
J.
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Merry Christmas to you as well my friend!
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This reminds of the meme where a gun carrying home owner had a burglar at bay.
Burglar: "Aren't you going to call the police"?
Home owner: "Why, no one else knows you are here".
Reservations for one please.
