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^^^I've owned nothing but Jeeps for the last 28 years. Your comment is so far from reality it amazes me. My only complaint is gas mileage, but that is mostly because of full time 4 wheel drive and my desire to run larger than stock tires.
 
If I'm spending over $100K, I'm getting Bearcat!
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But a Jeep is not road worthy over 30 MPH, leak water and air, and handle like a shopping cart. I like the old Grand Wagoneers that used to be everywhere. Funny time for Jeep though 'cause they'd have MOPAR parts, GM steering column and gear box, AMC engine, etc.
I respect your automotive knowledge and experience. However…a Jeep-if we are talking a CJ style- is basically 60’s technology. Even the newer YJ and then TJ are just updated and limitedly modernized versions of the same. So a stock version of the CJ and every YJ are a handful at freeway speeds, and they do exhibit a more “raw” driving experience. Now, I used to have a custom shop where my bread and butter was modernizing these old Jeeps. You would be amazed at how Comfortable and capable these old Jeeps can become with a complete “restification”. My 1982 CJ8 had a 5.3 GM, 4L65E, half ton D44 axles narrowed to Wagoneer width, springs and poly bushings, steering linkage, a/c… I could cruise comfortably at 80 MPH with the cruise on, and it was rock solid. Had it up to 120MPH at one point.


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Now the SUV style Jeeps- Wagoneer’s, Grand Wagoneer’s, and Cherokees- both full size and mid size- I would say their construction and road feel are equivalent to any similar year model SUV. Not to mention my current Grand Cherokee Limited- one of the most comfortable and capable vehicles I have ever owned and it gets 24 MPG doing it.

Lastly, the newest generations of Jeeps- from 2007 and up- well, they took a cue from the old CJ styling and reimagined it to modern specifications. They drive great. They look great. And they are capable.

The problem with many Jeeps is that they are mistreated, undermaintained, and modified by “bubba” to the point of instability, especially the CJ, YJ, TJ, and even the newer JK and JT series.

And- I love that they use GM parts- super easy to work on, and great parts availability.

Yeah, I’m a Jeep fan… I’ve owned more than I can count… here’s just a sampling. I couldn’t find the Grand Wagoneer’s…
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Oops! How did that VW slip in here?
 
I guess I really am old. I was musing the other day about what car I might buy if I win the lottery, and the first thing that came to mind was a decked out Escalade.

If I won the lottery, I'd find a '96 Roadmaster wagon and send it to Callaway for dual turbos.
 
But a Jeep is not road worthy over 30 MPH, leak water and air, and handle like a shopping cart. I like the old Grand Wagoneers that used to be everywhere. Funny time for Jeep though 'cause they'd have MOPAR parts, GM steering column and gear box, AMC engine, etc
Not road worthy over 30MPH? Stopped for 82 in a 65. CHIPPY's first words were "I didn't know Jeeps could go that fast". Wrote me for 70 in a 65.
 
My comments were aimed at the things derived from the original Army GPs ... not the SUV types. I complimented the old Grand Wagoneer. I wanted a Cherokee 2-door inline six manual 2WD in high school (around 1990 so we're talking new) even though I am a GM lifer. But the bucket ones absolutely are a handful over 40 MPH and for sure leak air and water.

My 1982 CJ8 had a 5.3 GM, 4L65E, half ton D44 axles narrowed to Wagoneer width, springs and poly bushings, steering linkage, a/c… I could cruise comfortably at 80 MPH with the cruise on, and it was rock solid. Had it up to 120MPH at one point.
So all you had to do to make it driveable was put a GM drivetrain in it and replace the driveline/axles, and swap all the suspension parts? Now we're talking. I bet that one is cool actually, just don't turn to quickly. Takes a few people to push them back onto the wheels. More people than can ride in it.

Don't forget, I am very very close to the Rednecks with Paychecks venue so I see all kinds of mayhem with these things.
 
Folks after over forty years of Jeep ownership I am thoroughly convinced of one thing. The people that bad mouth Jeeps the most are the ones whose wives have told them they can't have one.

I think it helps reduce the pain of knowing they are (enter female body part here) whipped.
 
Folks after over forty years of Jeep ownership I am thoroughly convinced of one thing. The people that bad mouth Jeeps the most are the ones whose wives have told them they can't have one.

I think it helps reduce the pain of knowing they are (enter female body part here) whipped.
I love that ha ha 😆
 
I wish I had my old AMC Jeep CJ-5 back. It had the 304 AMC V-8 in it, and no extras. Not even power steering. It would go way faster than you needed to be going in something with that short of a wheelbase. I got it in 1986 with 22,000 one owner miles on it . It still had the factory Goodyear Suburbanite tires on it, hard as a rock with age. I put a new set of 7.00x15 mud tires on it, got a back seat for it, and put a new soft top on it. Handyman jack and a shovel bolted to the front bumper, flax water bag on the mirror, and i was ready to go. We had a world of fun in that Jeep. Kids were Littles, we'd put them in the back on a blanket and off to the desert or mountains. I know, how did they survive such dangerous stunts, right?

Here's the rest of the story: I got it from an old Texan who spent his summers there in the New Mexico mountains where we lived. Reckon he kinda took a liking to me and my little family. When he got ready to go home one winter, he asked me if he could leave the Jeep there at my house so he didn't have to tow it back to Texas. I said sure, and he said "drive it all you want, better than it just sitting." Next summer when he got ready to go back to Texas, he asked me if I wanted to buy it, said neither his dog nor his wife really liked riding in it anyway. I said I'd love to, but didn't have the money (he wanted $3000 for it). He said "can you pay me $100 a month?" I said "yeah, I can do that." So the deal was made. I made the payments as agreed through that winter, and the next year when he got there, he handed me an envelope. I opened it, inside was the the title to the Jeep. He said "it's yours, you've paid enough." So I paid $800 for that Jeep. If you have had even one or two friends like that in your life, you've been blessed. Thanks Coleman. You were the best.
 
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I am in the auto industry and have had to drive a few of the CJ types and I stand by my comments 100%. I am sure there are Corvair and Pinto lovers too.

The Compass and Liberty are two of the most awful vehicles made in the last 20 years so don't forget that. Jeeps are a niche thing like nose rings and sushi.

Once man invented four wheelers then side by sides, the ole GP bucket became a novelty. Which is okay. Just not my sauce.
 
I wish I had my old AMC Jeep CJ-5 back. It had the 304 AMC V-8 in it, and no extras. Not even power steering. It would go way faster than you needed to be going in something with that short of a wheelbase. I got it in 1986 with 22,000 one owner miles on it . It still had the factory Goodyear Suburbanite tires on it, hard as a rock with age. I put a new set of 7.00x15 mud tires on it, got a back seat for it, and put a new soft top on it. Handyman jack and a shovel bolted to the front bumper, flax water bag on the mirror, and i was ready to go. We had a world of fun in that Jeep. Kids were Littles, we'd put them in the back on a blanket and off to the desert or mountains. I know, how did they survive such dangerous stunts, right?

Here's the rest of the story: I got it from an old Texan who spent his summers there in the New Mexico mountains where we lived. Reckon he kinda took a liking to me and my little family. When he got ready to go home one winter, he asked me if he could leave the Jeep there at my house so he didn't have to tow it back to Texas. I said sure, and he said "drive it all you want, better than it just sitting." Next summer when he got ready to go back to Texas, he asked me if I wanted to buy it, said neither his dog nor his wife really liked riding in it anyway. I said I'd love to, but didn't have the money (he wanted $3000 for it). He said "can you pay me $100 a month?" I said "yeah, I can do that." So the deal was made. I made the payments as agreed through that winter, and the next year when he got there, he handed me an envelope. I opened it, inside was the the title to the Jeep. He said "it's yours, you've paid enough." So I paid $800 for that Jeep. If you have had even one or two friends like that in your life, you've been blessed. Thanks Coleman. You were the best.
What a great story
 
While that looks interesting, and it will probably carry a little more weight, I'm thinking it might be at a disadvantage in any rough terrain off-road situation. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's the impression I get.
 
A while back I remember seeing some magazine article about this company, I think it was here in Texas, and they restored those old Grand Wagoneers to showroom condition.

It wasn't that long ago, I bet they are still around.

Kevin:
THis is more likely the place you're thinking of. The sister site that vigilanti 4x4 started out from.

https://www.jeepheritage.com/
 
I worked for AMC Jeep before Chrysler bought them out. Chrysler didn't want anything from AMC. They wanted the Jeep brand, the Jeep name.
The best Jeeps made had the old (ancient) AMC straight six that later became the fuel infected 4.0 straight six. (Lipstick on a pig LOL)
AMC used Chrysler Torqueflights behind their sixes and V8's even before the buy-out.
The 4.0 Cherokee used the Asian-Warner 4-speed automatic (same as Toyota Supra at the time). That 4.0 liter and Asian-Warner was a fantastic combination. Extremely reliable.
After Chrysler took over the Jeep quality started to waiver.
Personally I would not own a modern Jeep. It's more of a luxury SUV than a serious off-raod vehicle.
The early Jeeps, CJ4, CJ5, Grand Wagoneer V8, were simple and rugged.
I forget which model but one Jeep that you can still buy is not a Jeep at all
It's an Italian Fiat SUV rebadged as a Jeep.
Sometimes the old stuff is better, stronger, more reliable, and easier to work on. Need parts? Go to the junk yard.
 
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