type III malfunctions

[RugerLady]

Okay so I was working on my dry firing with my SR9 and loaded my snap caps and inserted my magazine. I'm not sure how this happened but somehow one snap cap got lodged in the barrel and because of that the next round could not feed. I've seen two ways of clearing this. The first involves racking the slide three times after dropping the magazine and turning the pistol to the side. The second way of doing it involves using a wooden or plastic dowel with a pointed tip. I've seen videos of the first method described but not the second. If the SECOND method has to be used, how should this be done?

FYI I DID get the snap cap out of the barrel, but it was with the dowel and I'm not sure that this was the right method if this had been a live round and would like to simulate this so that if it were to happen with a live round I'd know what to do.

Thanks in advance!

 

[SAJohn]

First I must say I am unfamiliar with this type pistol but I would probably strip the pistol down and remove the barrel if it could be done safely. Next I would clamp the barrel in a vice then insert a pencil, rubber end down, into the front of the barrel and use a long stick to give the pencil a gentle whack.

 

[ranch23]

Be very careful knocking a live round back into the chamber. Were the primer to hit the extractor or a projection on the bolt the results could be disastrous. SAJohn is right remove the barrel.

 

[Precision32]

If racking the slide does not remove the subject round through the use of the extractor, lock the slide back and using a screw driver or a pocket knife, try working the round out of the chamber. If that does not work about the only way to remove it is with a dowel.

Remove the magazine and lock the slide back. I would use a dowel just slightly less in diameter than the bore. Not sure why the use of a pointed dowel is suggested, use a flat tip. Use just your thumb and index finger to try and gently push the round out. If that fails try tapping the dowel with a small hammer. Light taps only. This should remove it.

 

[RugerLady]

If racking the slide does not remove the subject round through the use of the extractor, lock the slide back and using a screw driver or a pocket knife, try working the round out of the chamber. If that does not work about the only way to remove it is with a dowel.

Remove the magazine and lock the slide back. I would use a dowel just slightly less in diameter than the bore. Not sure why the use of a pointed dowel is suggested, use a flat tip. Use just your thumb and index finger to try and gently push the round out. If that fails try tapping the dowel with a small hammer. Light taps only. This should remove it.

I gather I should not field strip the pistol. Correct?

Which direction should I insert the dowel (if needed)? Is it facing the tip of the bullet or the other direction?

 

[Precision32]

I have never seen a need to disassemble the firearm; you have a live round in the chamber!

You would place the dowel in the barrel from the muzzle end. How else could you push the cartridge out of the barrel?

If you use a long enough dowel, you can pull a slight bend in it as you push towards the stuck cartridge. This gets your hand out of direct line with the muzzle.

 

[ranch23]

Well here goes, this so called gunsmith with a whopping 2 years experience DOES NOT know what he is talking about. You do not, and especially a novice, knock a live round out in a gun from the muzzle. Every so often someone is seriously hurt by doing this and setting off a live round. Take it to an experienced gunsmith and let them do it. You probably have an ammo problem or a dirty/ damaged chamber.

 

[Precision32]

I've been gunsmithing over 30 years. As you are putting yourself out as the expert, just how would a smith do it any different?

I have to knock loaded rounds out of match chambered rifles all the time. They have a tendency to leave a loaded round in the barrel when we make the rifles safe at Appleseed shoots all the time.

Can you please explain in detail just what doom and gloom awaits someone doing it my way?

 

[skip]

Be very careful knocking a live round back into the chamber. Were the primer to hit the extractor or a projection on the bolt the results could be disastrous. SAJohn is right remove the barrel.

The lady said SNAP CAP...do you not know what a snap cap is.....They do not go bang!!!!

 

[Ruger36]

Skip reread her post she wanted to simulate that it was a live round it would be safer to remove barrel but you can remove it safely with a dowel rod if you make sure the round can not come in hard contact with metal

 

[skip]

OOOP's...I'm having a crazy day..thnx for pointing that out for me..

 

[ranch23]

Precision 32, did not mean to offend you, if I did, please accept my apology. And to answer your question, every so often someone sets off a loaded round by knocking a live round out of a chamber with something. I honestly read a post of someone advising a person with this problem to put a screwdriver in the muzzle and bang it on the floor, just keep your hand out of the way in case it goes off !!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAGGGGHHHH!! Just the thought of a screwdriver is enough to..... , and skip, I was in Humpy's in May, where were you?

 

[Precision32]

My skins not that thin, no problem.

Stuck, unfired rounds are just a fact of firearms shooting. However, some people can screw up a rock with a rubber hammer!

I've had a M1A on the firing line with a live round stuck in the chamber and the op rod would not come back. With the muzzle pointed up in a safe direction and the rifle standing on the butt stock, I stomped the action open with my foot.

At Appleseed events we keep a 1/8" brass brazing rod on the line. 22 Match chambers are notorious for having unfired rounds stick in the chamber and not extract. When we call "CEASE FIRE" the shooter is not allowed to clear the rifle by dropping the hammer on an chambered round, they must rack the bolt and clear the unfired round. If the round sticks, the only way to remove it is with the rod. With the muzzle down range and the action held open, we knock the round out of the chamber. I've done this more times than I can remember; it's a "non-event." I have never heard of anyone having a round discharge when being removed this way and we keep very good communications between instructors on safety issues.

If this is done in an haphazard way; remember the rock? If done with just the minimum force required to dislodge the round and obeying all the safety rules, stuck, unfired rounds can be removed without a gunsmith. How, if you want to pay me to do a job you can safely do yourself, that's what I do.

Stay safe.

 

[skip]

Precision 32, did not mean to offend you, if I did, please accept my apology. And to answer your question, every so often someone sets off a loaded round by knocking a live round out of a chamber with something. I honestly read a post of someone advising a person with this problem to put a screwdriver in the muzzle and bang it on the floor, just keep your hand out of the way in case it goes off !!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAGGGGHHHH!! Just the thought of a screwdriver is enough to..... , and skip, I was in Humpy's in May, where were you?

Humpy's...good place to be when yer thirsty...In May I was in California on a horse trail ride..I unassed the horse and got a little banged up...then went on a pig hunt....

 

[ranch23]

We had some boat trouble and had to get towed off of PWS, but it was a great trip.