P94/GP100
Single-Sixer
Leucoandru and TruthNotRelative-I don't recall exactly when Ruger initiated the barrel/slide change that re-positioned the barrel; I believe that it was in the late 1990s, as a previous Davidson Special P89TH that I had had it as well. According to Coffeepot, the change had to do with timing, lock-up, and barrel stability for accuracy. And yes, Leucoandru, yours is accordingly one of the "later"/most ideal P89s that I discussed.
Normal accuracy for a one-piece barrel P85 (and subsequent P85 Mk II and P89) is around 3"-if it's worse than that, Ruger actual had (and presumably still has) a fix for it in individual guns concerned.
Coffeepot and Todd Green and I have concluded that the exception accuracy exhibited by my individual specimen is not the norm, and probably has to do with a fortuitous barrel breech/slide breech niche fit, which is exceptionally good.
I've read with interest the discussion regarding CZ75s; my personal experience with the CZ75 model involves 2 CZ75Bs, both obtained brand new; one consistantly suffered from a mid magazine malfunction (involving multiple magazines)-the CZ vendor of the time was unable to satisfactorily resolve the problem. A later CZ75B was extremely reliable. While I find that CZ75s possess an exceptional grip, the trigger/trigger arc in older CZ75s and CZ75Bs was positioned too far foward, making DA trigger finger positioning difficult (later rectified by a better curved trigger). The position of the frame-mounted safety I also found to be less than ergonomic. Due to its mechanical architecture, I also found the triggerpull itself to be less than steller, although it was certainly acceptable.
While certainly well priced, and ultimately well supported once CZ-USA established themselves as the CZ vendor in the US, I ultimately sold off my CZ75Bs and CZ83s, as I had other guns in their respective niches that I felt were superior. My experiences, and in following the experiences of others leads me to conclude that getting a good CZ can be a bit of a crap-shoot, but that CZ-USA does an excellent job in support/problem resolution. I recommend a P89 over a CZ75 accordingly, but a CZ75B (particularly the later varients) is likely to be a good combat/self defense pistol-my preference is simply to the Ruger P89 as discussed.
Interestingly, earlier varients of both the CZ75 (a CZ85) and the P89 (a modified P85; the modifications were subsequently incorporated into what became the P89) performed quite well in the DoD pistol trials of the 1980s.
Best, Jon
Normal accuracy for a one-piece barrel P85 (and subsequent P85 Mk II and P89) is around 3"-if it's worse than that, Ruger actual had (and presumably still has) a fix for it in individual guns concerned.
Coffeepot and Todd Green and I have concluded that the exception accuracy exhibited by my individual specimen is not the norm, and probably has to do with a fortuitous barrel breech/slide breech niche fit, which is exceptionally good.
I've read with interest the discussion regarding CZ75s; my personal experience with the CZ75 model involves 2 CZ75Bs, both obtained brand new; one consistantly suffered from a mid magazine malfunction (involving multiple magazines)-the CZ vendor of the time was unable to satisfactorily resolve the problem. A later CZ75B was extremely reliable. While I find that CZ75s possess an exceptional grip, the trigger/trigger arc in older CZ75s and CZ75Bs was positioned too far foward, making DA trigger finger positioning difficult (later rectified by a better curved trigger). The position of the frame-mounted safety I also found to be less than ergonomic. Due to its mechanical architecture, I also found the triggerpull itself to be less than steller, although it was certainly acceptable.
While certainly well priced, and ultimately well supported once CZ-USA established themselves as the CZ vendor in the US, I ultimately sold off my CZ75Bs and CZ83s, as I had other guns in their respective niches that I felt were superior. My experiences, and in following the experiences of others leads me to conclude that getting a good CZ can be a bit of a crap-shoot, but that CZ-USA does an excellent job in support/problem resolution. I recommend a P89 over a CZ75 accordingly, but a CZ75B (particularly the later varients) is likely to be a good combat/self defense pistol-my preference is simply to the Ruger P89 as discussed.
Interestingly, earlier varients of both the CZ75 (a CZ85) and the P89 (a modified P85; the modifications were subsequently incorporated into what became the P89) performed quite well in the DoD pistol trials of the 1980s.
Best, Jon