I have put a couple of hundred rounds through my SR9c, it feeds perfectly with all ammo tried but I am getting about 10 percent misfires. Just seems like light firing pin strikes. I have heard that others have had the same problem. So what is the fix?
SR9c problem!
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boomer1
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bgreid said:
Hey bgreid, welcome to the forum, and congratulations on purchasing a great pistol.
More information is needed from you to enable folks to try to help you. For example, did you perform a thorough field strip/clean/lube, including the striker chamber, prior to initial use? Many have had good results with that advice. While others have had to send their pistols back to Ruger for service. The forum search function can be your best friend for many situations.
I followed the above advice and have put about 600 rounds through my SR9c with NO problems.
Post back with more information.
boomer
Big Stu
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I was at the range today and I experienced 15 misfires in 100 rounds. I was not happy with this. :evil: The dimple in the primers were all very good, and I was not able to see a difference between the dimples in the fired and unfired primers, but when I recycled the ammo through the gun a second time, I was able to get all but one to fire. I have never had this problem before, and I have over 1000 rounds through the gun. I was using WWB ammo purchased from the range. My usual ammo of choice for target practice is the cheap Federal ammo from Walmart, but I have fired a few hundred rounds of WWB as well. If this happens again with any ammo, this gun is going back to Ruger. I need to rely on a gun to go bang, not click.
---boomer1 said:
I am strongly considering the 9/C (but looking even more forward to the inevitable 40C some time)--as well as encouraging galfriend for getting the same (9C),...but especially regarding her (and mine for her) confidence in such a purchase, this is disconcerting. In NO way should early reliability be dependent on the PRE field strip/clean/lube process you describe, however ideal (or SOP to you) such a practice may be. Never. I agree with the one poster - bang, not click, first time, every time. What is this? And, how is it I'm hearing that this is either to be expected or, by inference, ok? I don't mean by this objection that, down the line (way way down), continued proper functioning --like any precision tool--should not be contingent on proper maintenance, but not out of the chute.
I'd like to hear more on this. I was really getting enamored especially with the C, havig heard (almost) nothing but good about...and, as I said, looking forward to a 40C some day. Don't send me over to Glock or Sig-land! I don't know the M&P's performance in this regard, but that's certainly a top contender.
Again, for any kind of consumer confidence, bang first time, every time (with the above caveat re abuse/neglect "down the line") has got to be a purchaser's expectation--and the gun needs to be built to that standard. Not just a click because some dog hair got between the striker mechanism and primer, or because I did not cover my face exactly properly when I sneezed over the gun that morning. Leaving the store, you should have the full confidence that if you had an encounter of the worst kind with ill-intending two legged critters on the way home (and just happened to have a full mag in the car), you could slam that puppy home and be set to go. IMH0. You can see this really got to me!!
If I'm being unreasonable here, feel free to lambaste me! I take good care of all my guns, including.a variety of autos. Never "just a click" unless bad (really bad/cheap) ammo related--and then very seldom), but I am new to the striker world.
ballcoach16
Bearcat
Mine goes bang everytime. I've put about 300 rounds through it with no problems. WWB, PMC Starfire, TulAmmo, Remington, Federal.
Verndog
Blackhawk
Big Stu said:
Sorry to hear that. I have had 1 misfire in 875 rounds. I showed the round and my other spent rounds to the range owner and he thought it was the ammo (WWB also). After reading up most misfires are WWB ammo from what I gathered. Since switching to Federal AE zero problems in 450. If this was a light strike from the gun then you should see a smaller dimple, which you didn't.
I am curious if you run into an issue like this with a modified aftermarket trigger like ghost, if Ruger would even work on the gun....or possibly put it back to stock and charge you?
Also if you haven't cleaned the striker channel I suggest you do at least every 500 or so. Mine was beginning packing up with case shavings after about 300 rounds, not to the point of jam, but to the point of beginning concern.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Despite what Winchester has said in regards to a RF member's own pursuit of the truth regarding the 9c/WWB Light Strike issue. I still say it's the ammo. They have to have some harder primers in that ammo....that or maybe they're just bad primers all together. I don't think anyone has tried to put those rounds in again or in another gun to see to rule it out.
Try shooting Federal AE or CCI Blazer (Aluminum or Brass), those don't see the light strike issue.
It's quite common to clean the Striker and find debris in the channel.
Josh
Try shooting Federal AE or CCI Blazer (Aluminum or Brass), those don't see the light strike issue.
It's quite common to clean the Striker and find debris in the channel.
Josh
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Verndog said:
Ruger will work on any gun. Just know that any functional modifications made will result in Ruger replacing them as they find them. They most likely will charge you for parts. If you're wanting to modify, it's best to keep a factory copy of whatever you change in case you need to send it to Ruger.
IIRC, it's a federal law for a firearms manufacturer to return a gun to factory specs before shipping it back to the customer. I don't know how this would apply to factory customized guns like Springfield 1911's or any of the others like Dan Wesson's. Don't quote me on this, I'm not 100% sure about the law regarding this if there is one.
Josh
boomer1
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gak said:
Hey gak,
Thanks for your opinion, and btw, I am not on this forum to lambaste anyone. I was merely passing on some advice that I received from reviewing recent threads from people who already had experience with the SR9c. I would like to think that my heeding of that advice helped enable me to state that I have had NO problems with my SR9c.
I love the pistol, good luck!
buckshotshorty
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I was experiencing light strikes, but only with ammo I reloaded using Wolf (Russian) primers. I spoke to a tech at Ruger, and she felt the gun should be able to shoot all ammo. She also mentioned in passing that they have made the striker spring stronger on newer guns (mine is a very early one), but the trigger pull will be harder. I sent it back to Ruger and had them make the change.
I actually prefer the trigger pull now. The old trigger was a bit hairy.
FWIW I also wrote to WOLF after I realized I was getting light strikes with my other 9 mm pistols using those primers, and they acknowledged that they had a problem with a batch of hard primers. They are a stand up company, and reimbursed me the price of the primers.
I actually prefer the trigger pull now. The old trigger was a bit hairy.
FWIW I also wrote to WOLF after I realized I was getting light strikes with my other 9 mm pistols using those primers, and they acknowledged that they had a problem with a batch of hard primers. They are a stand up company, and reimbursed me the price of the primers.
Verndog
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jhearne said:
I have seen a couple guys post they put the round / rounds in again, or in another weapon and in several cases did fire. I have a theory on that being an INVALID test to the problem. Once the primer is struck and dimpled, striking a weakened primer will result in a deeper strike, that may not be an equal representation to what a single / first strike would produce. It does prove its not a dead primer, but does not prove that it isn't a hard or out of spec primer.
Big Stu
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Verndog said:
I saved the original and I would certainly have it replaced before sending it back to Ruger.
I usually use the Federal ammo from "Wally-world" and I have not had any misfire issues with it. I guess I will have to simply use that ammo and hope for the best.
I also took the slide apart and completely cleaned the striker and the striker channel. there was a lot of "Crap" in there. I also used a tiny drop of Hoppe's gun oil on the striker and wiped off all the excess. I hope this helps, but I'm still unsure of the reliability.
A
Anonymous
300 rounds, 4 different brand name boxes of 50. Not a single problem.
I had a SR9c from March or so of this year. I had many light primer hits. I have posted pics here of those hits compared to "normal" primer hits one of two shots later.
I sent in four of these light primer hits to Olin Manu and they confirmed that it was the gun, NOT the ammo.
I sent the gun to Ruger Service. They installed a new striker assembly which had a longer striker spring. This longer spring kept a constant tension on the striker and instantly ELIMINATED my light primer hits. It's very easy for you to determine whether your striker (firing pin) has constant tension on it, even when the fp is all the way forward, sticking out of the breech face.
After the gun was returned to me, it ran 100% and I considered it perfectly "reliable."
If you do a Search on my username from this summer's threads, you should easily find my posts, as well as Olin Manufacturing's letter to me.
Here is one of my threads on this subject.
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=87346&highlight=assembly
The SR9c is a good gun, but it had some growing pains.
In my opinion, and Olin's, it never was the ammo. Either your primer light hits really look like light hits...or they don't. It's pretty obvious. Ruger will make the gun run, so don't worry much about it.
Sonnytoo
I sent in four of these light primer hits to Olin Manu and they confirmed that it was the gun, NOT the ammo.
I sent the gun to Ruger Service. They installed a new striker assembly which had a longer striker spring. This longer spring kept a constant tension on the striker and instantly ELIMINATED my light primer hits. It's very easy for you to determine whether your striker (firing pin) has constant tension on it, even when the fp is all the way forward, sticking out of the breech face.
After the gun was returned to me, it ran 100% and I considered it perfectly "reliable."
If you do a Search on my username from this summer's threads, you should easily find my posts, as well as Olin Manufacturing's letter to me.
Here is one of my threads on this subject.
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=87346&highlight=assembly
The SR9c is a good gun, but it had some growing pains.
In my opinion, and Olin's, it never was the ammo. Either your primer light hits really look like light hits...or they don't. It's pretty obvious. Ruger will make the gun run, so don't worry much about it.
Sonnytoo
Big Stu
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I wish I could take off work just so I could go to the range tomorrow and play with my gun. I really need to know if it is going to misfire again. If it does, I will save the bullets, and take some photos. On one hand, I really hope it misfires (so I can take definitive action). On the other hand, I hope it works fine, and I can write it off as "Crap" in the striker channel, and I'll just have to know that these things need extra cleaning above and beyond the normal. If I didn't really love this thing as much as I do, it would already be sold off.
Idaho Spud
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Big Stu, I'm betting "crap"in the striker channel. First thing I did, before firing one round from my recently acquired SR9c was to remove and strip the slide (and remove the mag disconnect) and thoroughly clean every nook and cranny (including the striker channel) of factory grease, etc. If you've not done this at all I'm thinking it'll alleviate your problem. It kinda stands to reason also that numerous firings will create a lot of debris in there. I've only fired 110 rounds so far, but had no light strikes. Waiting for snow to melt to shoot another coupla hundred cheap-os and some reloads and then I'll also make a report. Like the other guy said, Ruger will take care of it if cleaning doesn't.
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bgreid said:
DO NOT DRY FIRE THE SR9, SR9c, SR40 OR THE P345 WITHOUT A MAGAZINE UNLESS YOU HAVE REMOVED THE MAGAZINE DISCONNECT!!! Future SR models or any other gun with a Mag Disconnect apply as well!
Doing so with the SR9/c/40, while never seen before, can damage the Striker leading to problems we aren't sure of but I'm fairly certain light strikes, failure to reset among other problems could arise if one were to dry fire sans mag. There's a warning in the manual, but it's buried on page 18. The SR pistols aren't as bad I think as the P345's Mag DC was/is. The P345 could be turned into a paperweight with one or two forgetful/negligent dry fires. The SR Mag DC is a bit more robust, but redesigned and should have more tolerance for dry firing. Ruger can fix it, if it's the issue.
I'd remove the Striker and make sure it's not damaged. Look for burrs or any deformed metal. I can get you a couple pics to compare what a good one should look like. To get the Striker out, refer to my how-to (look in my signature below) or click here for the video how-to.
Josh
Verndog
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bgreid said:
Have you actually fired a round with the mag out, or just dry fired it? Yes it will dry fire while it wears the striker assy out, NO it should not actually fire a round.
Verndog said:
I have just dry fired and only a few times, had the striker out yesterday I didn't see any damage. So you are saying to just remove the disconnector? I have heard this on a couple of forums, seems like standard procedure to take it out.
Verndog
Blackhawk
bgreid said:
If you insist on having to dry fire the gun WITHOUT a magazine (unless slide assy is removed) then you'll have to remove the disconnect. I (and many others) left mine in as I dont want any potential liability issues, and I just keep a spare empty mag handy to dry fire on the occasion I feel the need. Most here agree that a couple of dry fires has yet to cause any problems, repeated dry fires (without magazine in) however will over time.
IMO, the whole operation of the mag disconnect is a total FAIL in every way. Think about what you're reading in this thread! You can potentially make the gun totally inop by squeezing the trigger without the mag inserted. Let's just take this fun example.......assuming that you CC your SR9c to protect yourself and/or your family:
1. You end up in the situation that you actually have to use your gun.
2. You draw your gun and (let's face it, this is not going to be your every day casual situation....you may be a bit stressed at this moment!) inadvertently dump the mag.....whether you accidentally hit the mag release with your finger, your thumb, part of your holster, a wall, etc (insert Murphy here)
3. You pull the trigger, hoping to defend your LIFE, and all you get is "click".
Now here's where the real fun comes in. You've got a loaded gun!....but it is now un-cocked. :-( You have a perfectly good round in the chamber! If you didn't realize you dumped the mag, you should instinctively do the tap/rack/bang thing, and guess what...you've just ejected your only round from the gun....now your gun is empty. But wait!...it gets even better! Lets say that God is shining down upon you and somehow manages to buy you enough time to collect your thoughts, realize that your mag is now on the ground, find it, insert it. Your gun is still useless as it is unloaded. So God buys you enough time to rack a new round into the chamber and pull the trigger.......click. Guess what, you just made your gun defunct when you dry-fired it without the mag inserted 5 seconds ago and ruined your mag disconnect, or firing pin, or whatever damage it does that makes Ruger tell you not to do it!
I doubt whoever is shooting at you is going to allow you time to field-strip your gun to remove the mag disconnect so you can finally shoot him before he shoots you. I can not see any way in a justifyable shooting that removing a mag disconnect is going to be the difference between freedom and jail time. If there were some kind of law that required all guns to have a mag disconnect, or a law against removing a mag disconnect, then you might have reason to worry. In the end it's going to come down to if you were justified in shooting the other guy or not.....after all, if you shot him, apparently your mag disconnect (whether it's in the gun or not) did not come into play during the shooting.
1. You end up in the situation that you actually have to use your gun.
2. You draw your gun and (let's face it, this is not going to be your every day casual situation....you may be a bit stressed at this moment!) inadvertently dump the mag.....whether you accidentally hit the mag release with your finger, your thumb, part of your holster, a wall, etc (insert Murphy here)
3. You pull the trigger, hoping to defend your LIFE, and all you get is "click".
Now here's where the real fun comes in. You've got a loaded gun!....but it is now un-cocked. :-( You have a perfectly good round in the chamber! If you didn't realize you dumped the mag, you should instinctively do the tap/rack/bang thing, and guess what...you've just ejected your only round from the gun....now your gun is empty. But wait!...it gets even better! Lets say that God is shining down upon you and somehow manages to buy you enough time to collect your thoughts, realize that your mag is now on the ground, find it, insert it. Your gun is still useless as it is unloaded. So God buys you enough time to rack a new round into the chamber and pull the trigger.......click. Guess what, you just made your gun defunct when you dry-fired it without the mag inserted 5 seconds ago and ruined your mag disconnect, or firing pin, or whatever damage it does that makes Ruger tell you not to do it!
I doubt whoever is shooting at you is going to allow you time to field-strip your gun to remove the mag disconnect so you can finally shoot him before he shoots you. I can not see any way in a justifyable shooting that removing a mag disconnect is going to be the difference between freedom and jail time. If there were some kind of law that required all guns to have a mag disconnect, or a law against removing a mag disconnect, then you might have reason to worry. In the end it's going to come down to if you were justified in shooting the other guy or not.....after all, if you shot him, apparently your mag disconnect (whether it's in the gun or not) did not come into play during the shooting.
Cheesewhiz
Hunter
It might be some sort of capability test/enforcement. If you're not smart enough to keep the magazine in your pistol, you're probably too stupid to be trusted to shoot it.
Cheesewhiz
Hunter
....also, I have had my SR9 for three years now and have shot it quite a bit. It has probably been dry fired W/O a mag in it by accident a couple of hundred times at the range and guess what, it still works. So if you don't dry fire it like a chimp on crack without the magazine, you probably have plenty of oops left in it.
So I assume that we've seen the very last thread, topic or issue of anyone having problems with their SR that might be mag-disconnect related. Excellent! I guess I won't mention the guy who wrote a few days ago saying that part of his holster was releasing his mag while he carried.......apparently a very stupid individual indeed!....Sorry but Cheesewhiz says you're too stupid to shoot your gun due to your faulty holster........
