edlmann
Blackhawk
If I wanted to buy a Novak front sight to replace the sight on my SR1911, anyone know the height I'd need?
SR1911 broken front sight
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Skalkaho Slim
Blackhawk
Never say never......
Shooting for a postal match today. Got the SR in April of 2011. Serial number is low 3,000's.
I thought this sight thing was happening with later guns.
Faulty design or faulty casting. Call to Ruger tomorrow.
Shooting for a postal match today. Got the SR in April of 2011. Serial number is low 3,000's.
I thought this sight thing was happening with later guns.
Faulty design or faulty casting. Call to Ruger tomorrow.
Skalkaho Slim,
That sucks!
I was happy with Ruger customer service with my broken sight repair.
I have just been waiting for it to happen again.
When it does, I will be looking for another solution.
Are you going to go with a factory Ruger sight again?
Bill
That sucks!
I was happy with Ruger customer service with my broken sight repair.
I have just been waiting for it to happen again.
When it does, I will be looking for another solution.
Are you going to go with a factory Ruger sight again?
Bill
Skalkaho Slim
Blackhawk
More'n likely. Don't like the thought of it happening again though.
Don't like the thought of spending money on an aftermarket part when the factory part should work just fine either.
Don't like the thought of spending money on an aftermarket part when the factory part should work just fine either.
Skalkaho Slim
Blackhawk
Called Ruger today and shipping it off tomorrow on their dime. They said that they have gotten in touch with the manufacturer of the sights and that they are now being magnafluxed.
w5lx
Single-Sixer
Skalkaho Slim said:They [Ruger] said that they have gotten in touch with the manufacturer of the sights and that they are now being magnafluxed.
If they indeed find that a significant number of sights installed on earlier guns have a high risk of breakage down the road, I would like to see them offer a free, new and improved, front sight for any current owner of an SR1911. That would be the right way to make amends with their customer base.
Skalkaho Slim
Blackhawk
I'd imagine that number would be pretty high. You'd think that shipping these guns back and forth would be cost prohibitive.
Course, they're a big business.
I asked if they'd just send the sight. They will, but make a pretty big deal about it being installed by a professional gunsmith. I've lost count of how many sights I've installed, but it'd be just my luck ya know.
Figure what the heck, its a free trip.
Hope the second one doesn't break. Maybe they'll offer one of their aftermarket Novak's from the Ruger store. I believe those are actually from Novak and are milled.
Course, they're a big business.
I asked if they'd just send the sight. They will, but make a pretty big deal about it being installed by a professional gunsmith. I've lost count of how many sights I've installed, but it'd be just my luck ya know.
Figure what the heck, its a free trip.
Hope the second one doesn't break. Maybe they'll offer one of their aftermarket Novak's from the Ruger store. I believe those are actually from Novak and are milled.
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Mine haven't broken yet, but I can't believe those that have broken sights aren't mad at Ruger. I know they fix them for free, but they are using Novaks name to help sell these guns, then we find out that the sights aren't real Novak sights, I too think they owe us more than just another sub quality replacement, like real Novak sights. Ed
Skalkaho Slim
Blackhawk
For me, the Novak name means nothing. They could have Billy Bob's sights on them for all I care.
I think its ridiculous that this has become an issue. But it seems Ruger isn't Ruger unless there's some issue.
I'm irritated that they're sticking the same sight on. "Magnafluxed" or not, I want a milled, not cast, front sight.
But I'm not paying for something that should work. I'll shoot it till it breaks again and send it back again on their dime - as many times as it takes for them to figure out it'd be a while lot easier (and cheaper) to stick a sight on there that ain't gonna break.
I think its ridiculous that this has become an issue. But it seems Ruger isn't Ruger unless there's some issue.
I'm irritated that they're sticking the same sight on. "Magnafluxed" or not, I want a milled, not cast, front sight.
But I'm not paying for something that should work. I'll shoot it till it breaks again and send it back again on their dime - as many times as it takes for them to figure out it'd be a while lot easier (and cheaper) to stick a sight on there that ain't gonna break.
mrslippery
Bearcat
Just bought 2 commanders a week and a half ago, fired casing 5/13. Both will be heading to a smith for a aftermarket front sight installation, don't care to wait for a failure. Will be buying a government model soon, and will due the same to it as well. Slip.
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Skalkaho Slim said:
I agree that having them fix it is the right thing to do. It is the only way they will be able to see the full extent of the problem.
I think they are hesitant to replace it with a better one thinking that once it hits the internet people will break theirs on purpose to get the upgrade.
I guess we should be happy that it is not a bigger problem, or a safety problem. Ed.
Skalkaho Slim
Blackhawk
Sent it in Tuesday afternoon. Got an email this morning that it's headed back to me. Probably be here Monday.
3 day turnaround. Not bad.
3 day turnaround. Not bad.
bigboredad
Blackhawk
Skalkaho
Did you ask about upgrading the sight? I upgraded to the fiber optic something I weplanning to do anyway. They not only paid for the commander sight but also paid for the he gov't model which was not broken and paid to send 2nd day air. All you have to do sometimes is just ask
Did you ask about upgrading the sight? I upgraded to the fiber optic something I weplanning to do anyway. They not only paid for the commander sight but also paid for the he gov't model which was not broken and paid to send 2nd day air. All you have to do sometimes is just ask
Skalkaho Slim
Blackhawk
Well shoot....... I thought about it, but figured they'd say no. If it happens again, you be darn tootin' I'll be requesting one of the milled sights from the Ruger store.
bigboredad
Blackhawk
I wish I had seen that you broke yours I'd have given you that info before instead of after sorry about that. For me mine breaking was a good thing ad iI had been wanting fiber optic sights and this way I got them got free
Tweety Bird
Single-Sixer
I don't know if it's the same or not, but I suspect sintered metal is at least a cousin to MIM. Movesam seems to know his stuff here. But my pickup has sintered metal connecting rods. Seems to me that if a powdered metal connecting rod can be made tough enough to withstand 7500 RPM in my V8, it should stand up to being the front sight on a 1911.
My guess is that the part was just defective and not a systemic problem with the MIM process.
My guess is that the part was just defective and not a systemic problem with the MIM process.
Tweety Bird
Single-Sixer
And I have a number of Kimbers (MIMbers, to some) which have also never given me a single problem. People make way too big a deal over this MIM thing.
Not too many years ago, there were lots of people who would never shoot a "plastic" pistol. Now, Combat Tupperware is everywhere. MIM, like polymer, is a perfectly acceptable way to manufacture parts these days and is very suitable for many parts in our pistols.
My day job is teaching our mechanics how our new 787 works. Many of them have the same problem accepting the new technology and are absolutely convinced that it's not going to work out well. Many new ideas and products get off to a rough start and are the targets of the skeptics. Hey, it's EASY to try to blast holes in something that has a glitch here and there. I think Boeing will prove them to be wrong, just as I think the MIM-doubters will be.
Not too many years ago, there were lots of people who would never shoot a "plastic" pistol. Now, Combat Tupperware is everywhere. MIM, like polymer, is a perfectly acceptable way to manufacture parts these days and is very suitable for many parts in our pistols.
My day job is teaching our mechanics how our new 787 works. Many of them have the same problem accepting the new technology and are absolutely convinced that it's not going to work out well. Many new ideas and products get off to a rough start and are the targets of the skeptics. Hey, it's EASY to try to blast holes in something that has a glitch here and there. I think Boeing will prove them to be wrong, just as I think the MIM-doubters will be.
It's not like MIM is new to guns. It's been being used for 20 years, and has been failing for 20 years when done poorly or used in the wrong application, and it's still failing today as we've all seen. MIMber started the trend with their safeties, slide stops, mag releases, and main spring housings. I don't really care if crankshafts, connecting rods, and airplane parts are made MIM .... As far as I know ... There's none of them in any of my guns.
From another forum ... Sums it up fairly well.
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MIM seems to work best on small, (short length) low stress parts. You will note that Colt only uses MIM on four small parts - the mag catch and lock, disconnector and sear - and has a nearly 0% failure rate - on these parts. How much of this is the size and geometry of the part vs. a well done MIM process is hard to say. Colt MIM, in these limited applications, seems to hold up well.
Kimber had very large failure rates on MIM early on, our local original Kimber Master Dealer kept Wilson parts, particularly slide stops and safeties on the wall, ready - because he needed them. When a customer wanted to send it back to Kimber for repair, he stopped them with "Do you want to put back in the same crap that just broke?". He sold a lot of Wilson parts.
Larger MIM parts are probably a mistake. Colt tried MIM for extractors a few years ago - and found out that MIM is a lousy choice for that part, quickly reverting to machined steel and ended up replacing a lot of MIM extractors for customers. Our shop recieved enough machined replacements to replace all the MIM extractor equipped Colts we had sold, and the issue was swiftly addressed.
Let's be real about this. Kimber uses MIM parts to greatly increase their profit margin - not to make a better gun. They take that profit margin and buy lots of advertising - obligating the gun magazine editors to say nice things and look the other way about failures, and getting them mentioned lots more than any other brands. It is a successful Marketing Strategy, if a bit unethical. Kimbers are not, and never have been, top tier guns - but all the hype fools a lot of people. Add to this their incorrectly tight slide/frame fit with a resulting long and expensive breakin and the unreliable Series II lockwork and, well, Kimbers are all looks, not substance.
MIM only exists for one reason - COST, period. It is not superior, it is inferior. Whether it is "good enough" for you is your call. Except in a case of proven usage on that part, by a known good maker (in this case Colt on four parts only) I replace it. And whenever upgrades are done, any MIM in my guns is automatically replaced, on principal. Any material might fail - cast or barstock or forged - but MIM is more likely to.
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REV
From another forum ... Sums it up fairly well.
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MIM seems to work best on small, (short length) low stress parts. You will note that Colt only uses MIM on four small parts - the mag catch and lock, disconnector and sear - and has a nearly 0% failure rate - on these parts. How much of this is the size and geometry of the part vs. a well done MIM process is hard to say. Colt MIM, in these limited applications, seems to hold up well.
Kimber had very large failure rates on MIM early on, our local original Kimber Master Dealer kept Wilson parts, particularly slide stops and safeties on the wall, ready - because he needed them. When a customer wanted to send it back to Kimber for repair, he stopped them with "Do you want to put back in the same crap that just broke?". He sold a lot of Wilson parts.
Larger MIM parts are probably a mistake. Colt tried MIM for extractors a few years ago - and found out that MIM is a lousy choice for that part, quickly reverting to machined steel and ended up replacing a lot of MIM extractors for customers. Our shop recieved enough machined replacements to replace all the MIM extractor equipped Colts we had sold, and the issue was swiftly addressed.
Let's be real about this. Kimber uses MIM parts to greatly increase their profit margin - not to make a better gun. They take that profit margin and buy lots of advertising - obligating the gun magazine editors to say nice things and look the other way about failures, and getting them mentioned lots more than any other brands. It is a successful Marketing Strategy, if a bit unethical. Kimbers are not, and never have been, top tier guns - but all the hype fools a lot of people. Add to this their incorrectly tight slide/frame fit with a resulting long and expensive breakin and the unreliable Series II lockwork and, well, Kimbers are all looks, not substance.
MIM only exists for one reason - COST, period. It is not superior, it is inferior. Whether it is "good enough" for you is your call. Except in a case of proven usage on that part, by a known good maker (in this case Colt on four parts only) I replace it. And whenever upgrades are done, any MIM in my guns is automatically replaced, on principal. Any material might fail - cast or barstock or forged - but MIM is more likely to.
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REV
Skalkaho Slim
Blackhawk
Got to the range today and put about 500 rounds through it, trying to break that front sight. Right about 2,000 rounds through the gun now. Breaking in nicely.
She held.
Ammo was a hodgepodge of old reloads and some factory Hydra Shoks and Silvertips. Functioned like the veritable typewriter as it always has.
My personal best was with some 230gr (which actually dropped at about 234gr) cast truncated cone. Unsized and unlubed except for being tumble lubed with LLA. In front of 5.5gr of Red Dot. Fairly laser beam'ish.......
And this was the weather. Seemed that the cold didn't factor in. 'Course it might break the next time out, who knows.....
She held.
Ammo was a hodgepodge of old reloads and some factory Hydra Shoks and Silvertips. Functioned like the veritable typewriter as it always has.
My personal best was with some 230gr (which actually dropped at about 234gr) cast truncated cone. Unsized and unlubed except for being tumble lubed with LLA. In front of 5.5gr of Red Dot. Fairly laser beam'ish.......
And this was the weather. Seemed that the cold didn't factor in. 'Course it might break the next time out, who knows.....
bigboredad
Blackhawk
Nice shooting I hate that white stuff
Skalkaho Slim
Blackhawk
Thanks! Yeah, already gone. Doesn't last long.
Good you got it back fast and it seems to be shooting well. 8)
bigboredad
Blackhawk
You mean this time of year it doesn't last long. Ive seen snow I. November up there last until march and aprilSkalkaho Slim said:Thanks! Yeah, already gone. Doesn't last long.
Skalkaho Slim
Blackhawk
:lol: :lol: :lol:
