School Drills

[Kevin]

my daughter told me yesterday they had a lock down "active shooter" drill.

She said they teach them Run-Hide-Fight. Although I don't think they teach them any fighting skills other than a Yoga class they offer.

I know I've talked to some people here on the forum and they say how sad it is that they have such drills in school these days.

It is sad. But at the same time how many here were taught to hide under your desk to save yourself from a nuclear bomb?

On a positive note, her school has 3 full time security guys and a full perimeter fence.

Anyway, I'm not sure how organized the drill was, she said they don't want everyone running out into the parking lot, so they just hid in various classrooms.

She went into some room by herself and just chilled out in the dark for 15 minutes. So she was happy.

Just thought I'd tell y'all about this, what schools are doing these days.

 

[txramfan]

Duck n Cover drills were an exercise in futility in the 60s.

 

[eveled]

She went into some room by herself and just chilled out in the dark for 15 minutes. So she was happy.

I’m sure she was fine. But my daughter being alone in a dark room in public would make me nervous. I tell mine to stay in groups for protection.

As a parent you always worry.

 

[s4s4u]

Schools drills such as this are simply part of the gun control long game. Make children fear guns and they will vote for future gun bans.

 

[gnappi]

We had "duck and cover" drills for nukes

The Parkland shooting was very close to me and the coward (Scot Peterson) who could have saved lives got off "scott" free.

 

[Dan in MI]

My daughter is a teacher, I shared this with her and she in turn shared with other teachers.

It's a video on how to lock a door to keep intruders out.

 

[Johnnu2]

We hid under desks in the 50's................

J.

 

[Kevin]

We hid under desks in the 50's................

J.

Well I was in school in the 70's and 80's and we were still hiding under desks. Afraid of the cold war I suppose.

 

[Kevin]

My daughter is a teacher, I shared this with her and she in turn shared with other teachers.

It's a video on how to lock a door to keep intruders out.

This is awesome. Thanks for sharing this video. I'm definitely going to pass it along to the school.

 

[GasGuzzler]

Well I was in school in the 70's and 80's and we were still hiding under desks. Afraid of the cold war I suppose.

We ducked and covered in the hallways but it was training for tornadoes not nuclear bombs.

 

[blume357]

The school I went to in the 70's we often went out to the parking lot and pulled out our various rifles to show off... but never had a drill. I don't even remember a fire drill.

As for going outside during a drill..... that is probably the worst thing to do. I'm still trying to convince the folks at my church this.... that if the fire alarm goes off the first thing to do is access the situation not just run or for many members of my congregation.. shuffle or roll outside.

 

[Yaworski]

As for going outside during a drill..... that is probably the worst thing to do.

Before folks worried about "active shooters" (what is an "inactive shooter"?) getting out of the building quickly and orderly made sense. Nowadays, you're just creating a cluster of targets.

However, I still think that the "active shooter" problem is over emphasized. Reports vary but there are between 110,000 and 120,000 schools in America that cover grades K through 12. One school shooting per school day means it would take 600 to 700 years to hit every school.

 

[Yaworski]

The Parkland shooting was very close to me and the coward (Scot Peterson) who could have saved lives got off "scott" free.

An acquaintance who is/was a cop told me that doctrine had changed and instead of securing the site and waiting for back up, they were supposed to enter and seek out the shooter. We saw how well that worked at Uvalde.

 

[Paul B]

We hid under desks in the 50's................

J.

Well I graduated from high school in 1957 and we never did the duck and hide stuff at the school I went to. That was in San Francisco no less. No idea what those liberal idiots do now.
Paul B.

 

[Jeepnik]

Maybe back then the school district was smart enough to realize that if war came The City would be just one great big glowing hole.

 

[DGW1949]

I'm sure she was fine. But my daughter being alone in a dark room in public would make me nervous. I tell mine to stay in groups for protection.

As a parent you always worry.

So, how is the "group" going to protect her?...just wondering.

DGW

 

[GasGuzzler]

Once it's over a group is much easier to find and rescue than dozens of single students.

 

[Fox Mike]

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[eveled]

So, how is the "group" going to protect her?...just wondering.

DGW

No girl should be alone in a dark room in a public place. To many predators around.

 

[GunnyGene]

I have a suggestion for a classroom drill: Although I'm not sure what age group/school grade should be included in it - certainly junior high and up.

The drill would consist of clearing weapon malfunctions, reloading, and tactical positioning of armed and unarmed students and teachers during an active shooter event using dummy ammo and standardized firearms (representative of common semi-auto pistols and revolvers) provided by the school district. A small number of students in each class (say 4-6) would be armed for the drill, and rotated thru the entire class over a period of several days/weeks so that everyone gets to be a guard dog, and a sheep at least once per quarter. Some details of the drill would need to be developed based on classroom variations, etc.

 

[Yaworski]

No girl should be alone in a dark room in a public place. To many predators around.

If she's alone, there are no predators.

 

[Yaworski]

I don't know how schools are built today. When I was a youngster, schools had a thick walls between the classrooms and seemed to be pretty impervious. There are quite a few ways to jam the doors so they can't be opened. It makes sense to me to secure the door and hunker down out of sight from the door's window.

On the other hand, if the walls are just metal studs with sheetrock on them, a locked door isn't going to give you much protection.

 

[tazbigdog]

Videos and exercises are fine, but the shooter is already in the school. Outside doors need to be closed and locked. All the time. Alarms need to be on doors. The front entrance needs to have a metal detector and double doors, like a bank. I remember going to pick up my son back in the early 2000’s. Went in. Showed my ID through double glass window, like a bank teller. After which, I was given an escort to my son’s room, after they buzzed me out the vestibule. And then walked me and my son out.

 

[Ale-8(1)]

The drill would consist of clearing weapon malfunctions, reloading, and tactical positioning of armed and unarmed students and teachers during an active shooter event using dummy ammo and standardized firearms (representative of common semi-auto pistols and revolvers) provided by the school district.

It would take about five minutes for many of the guys to figure out how to smuggle in real, live ammo . . .

 

[Kevin]

Videos and exercises are fine, but the shooter is already in the school. Outside doors need to be closed and locked. All the time. Alarms need to be on doors. The front entrance needs to have a metal detector and double doors, like a bank. I remember going to pick up my son back in the early 2000's. Went in. Showed my ID through double glass window, like a bank teller. After which, I was given an escort to my son's room, after they buzzed me out the vestibule. And then walked me and my son out.

This school is like that.

All exterior doors are locked. Since there are two different buildings, every student has a ID badge like modern office workers. The badges unlock the doors.

If a parent wants to go into the building, they drive past security, park and walk into a small room with a woman at a desk.

She gets your ID and then buzzes you into the main building.

It sounds like a prison, but it’s not. It’s actually really pretty nice.

And no, it’s not a perfect system, but they do a good job.

I’m all for teachers to have guns in the classroom. Even if they kept the gun in one of those biometrics safes in a desk.

Just something so they aren’t sitting ducks.

 

[Kevin]

No girl should be alone in a dark room in a public place. To many predators around.

Couldn’t agree more.

 

[GunnyGene]

It would take about five minutes for many of the guys to figure out how to smuggle in real, live ammo . . .

The school provided guns could be made non-firing for training/drill purposes. Plugging the barrels for example, or removing the firing pin, etc. Whatever, it's just a suggestion.

 

[DGW1949]

No girl should be alone in a dark room in a public place. To many predators around.

I get what you are saying...but...I never really considered a school house to be a "public place". I remember that the shooter actually had to break into that one school by shooting the glass out of an entrance door and stepping though the hole because there was no "free access" available...Not saying there ain't no predators around, but me thinks that the type of predator we are discussing would probably be more interested in a room full than a single student hiding alone somewhere ...but I could be wrong....All in all, the details that you and I are discussing probably don't matter in the general scheme of things because the fact of the matter is, until we as a society start taking the security of our children seriously, there ain't going to be no stopping these kinds of events. In other words, SOMEBODY is going to step up to the plate and force these whinny liberal school officials to take responsibility for the children that they say they want custody and control of, and they're going to have to do it now. If the teaching staff doesn't like it, they can quit. Most of them ain't actually teaching anything other than liberalism anyway....Or better yet, close 'em down until a revamping of the whole system can be completed...because that's what "public education" really needs.

DGW

 

[eveled]

I was thinking more of a horny classmate taking advantage of an opportunity during the drill.

I should have kept it to myself as it doesn't pertain to the main conversation about a shooter.

 

[el caminero]

East sf bay, 60s, we had duck and cover. I dont recall nuke threat, it was The San Andreas we kids were more concerned with.
Later i recall hearing eastern megalopolii hardening school entries and putting metal detectors in the doorways, to keep the kids from carrying knives, bongs, and guns. Back then, a bong was a chunk of lead waterpipe ripped out of a derilect house. Bong was in the process of becoming the smaller pipe ya bogarted yer goofygrass outta.