collectorruger
Single-Sixer
Has anyone tried getting the white serial numbers off of the red boxes? I have several that I would like to change the numbers. Next question is what to use to put the number back on.
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radicalrod
Hunter
WHAT change a boxes number why that is unheard of :roll: :roll: :roll:
Should rub right of with a micro fiber towel....then go to the hobby store and buy a white china/ grease pencil......renumber away....RR
Should rub right of with a micro fiber towel....then go to the hobby store and buy a white china/ grease pencil......renumber away....RR
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collectorruger
Single-Sixer
thanks- I could just wait and find the gun that goes with the box but I don't expect to live to a couple thousand years old
nothing like good old American ethics... oh I meant ingenuity.
Hugh
Buckeye
Umm, I believe altering the box would remove all value. I don't advise it.collectorruger said:
radicalrod
Hunter
Well if you guys really believe that renumbering a generic box marked with a wax pencil is wrong.....
Then how do you feel about RUGER stamping a D on a gun when they messed up....
Sure it is nice to know you have the original box numbered to the gun but if you don't what are you going to do.....
Just be glad the guy in TN that makes all the fake COLT BOXES doesn't get into RUGER STUFF....
If the box is the correct style and age what harm does it do....I can say with certainty that this isn't the first guy to do so......just most would never say it out loud....YMMV....RR
Then how do you feel about RUGER stamping a D on a gun when they messed up....
Sure it is nice to know you have the original box numbered to the gun but if you don't what are you going to do.....
Just be glad the guy in TN that makes all the fake COLT BOXES doesn't get into RUGER STUFF....
If the box is the correct style and age what harm does it do....I can say with certainty that this isn't the first guy to do so......just most would never say it out loud....YMMV....RR
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collectorruger
Single-Sixer
As long as I no it isn't the right box and really don't care after I'm gone. I wouldn't be doing it just to make more money.
Ruger45
Blackhawk
I would say the boxes are worth more to the people that own the gun that came in them. Than they would be after renumbered to match a gun you don't have a box for. Maybe sell off the guns you have with out boxes and buy ones that have matching boxes and sell off the boxes that have no guns.
"let he ,who is without sin, cast the first stone", folks been buying boxes, buying labels and stickers, and swapping grips around , since the beginning.................LONG before most of you could even spell Ruger 8)
nothing wrong with it, but if you do it to perpetrate a fraud, screw someone out of their money, then shame on YOU :(
nothing wrong with it, but if you do it to perpetrate a fraud, screw someone out of their money, then shame on YOU :(
radicalrod
Hunter
Ruger45 said:
Seriously......matching a box that has been separated from the gun could take several lifetimes.....
Not a thing wrong with putting a boxless gun in the correct style box......
Please don't make me sell all my "boxless" guns and start over just buying boxed examples :lol: :lol: :lol: YMMV.....RR
contender
Ruger Guru
I stand with RR & rugerguy. Many boxes were swapped, altered, etc long before Ruger collecting got as popular as it is now. As long as the box is the correct one for the gun, and it's not an obvious "change" AND the person doing it is not trying to heavily profit by doing stuff,,, who cares? Fraud is when you do something to enhance an object for more $$ & NOT disclosing what has been done,,, to your knowledge.
Ruger made tons of boxes. Many were thrown away. The ones who survived can be matched to a good gun to complete a package.
Would you throw away a perfectly good box, (especially a rarer variation) just because it has a different number than the gun you have?
Sorry,,, I enjoy putting a complete package together, for MY pleasure, and with rarer boxes,,, I'm GLAD to find any proper box. (See what a RSSE, a Hawkeye, or 10" 357 Flattop box sells for!)
Ruger made tons of boxes. Many were thrown away. The ones who survived can be matched to a good gun to complete a package.
Would you throw away a perfectly good box, (especially a rarer variation) just because it has a different number than the gun you have?
Sorry,,, I enjoy putting a complete package together, for MY pleasure, and with rarer boxes,,, I'm GLAD to find any proper box. (See what a RSSE, a Hawkeye, or 10" 357 Flattop box sells for!)
ndruger
Single-Sixer
Anyone have a BKH-46 box? I could use another one. :wink: :)
Ruger45
Blackhawk
I can see no other reason to change the number on a box except to deceive someone you have a matched set and sell it for more money. If you are just keeping it for your own use you're only fooling your self that they are a set. After you die your heirs are gonna sell them as a matched set and be the ones committing the fraud.rugerguy said:
The fact that someone has a box and matching gun is what makes the set. Any one can change a number shoot if changing the number is ok why not just make a new box?
:D :D :D
I would just like to see Ruger go back to good hard plastic cases rather than cardboard boxes. The first couple of Rugers that I bought, starting about 20 years ago, came in an excellent case (with an easily peeled off label). The most recent purchases (sr40c, LCP and LC9s) all were in cheap cardboard boxes not worth saving.
protoolman
Service-Sixer
If someone was making fake boxes, that's one thing. If the box is period correct and marked right I don't see it as a big deal. If you had an original car and bought a vintage part for it and installed it would the car not be original?
radicalrod
Hunter
ndruger said:
How many do you want :lol: :lol: :lol: and what serial numbers do you need :roll: :roll: :roll: RR
DGW1949
Hawkeye
If I had me a minty old gun and wanted to keep it in a box, I'd much prefer to use a box like it left the factory in. I'm also perty-sure that if I could easily change the hand-written number on the box so's it matched the number on my gun, that I'd probably do that too.
Now, some folks might take issue with that, and some may not. When ya get down to it though, it wouldn't really matter to me what the next guy thought...'cause it aint their stuff and it wasn't their money that got spent.
Just sayin'.
DGW
Now, some folks might take issue with that, and some may not. When ya get down to it though, it wouldn't really matter to me what the next guy thought...'cause it aint their stuff and it wasn't their money that got spent.
Just sayin'.
DGW
mohavesam
Hawkeye
What good is a correctly-numbered box without the original gloves and china marker that the employee used when she/he numbered the box originally?
It's a fact known to real collectors that a whole series of boxes had crooked fives, due to the box-numberer having the hiccups one day. I think it was a Friday before Obama got elected. Now find a couple of those "crooked-five" boxes and you've got yerself a collection! :lol:
This stuff really matters? These guns were made for shootin'!
It's a fact known to real collectors that a whole series of boxes had crooked fives, due to the box-numberer having the hiccups one day. I think it was a Friday before Obama got elected. Now find a couple of those "crooked-five" boxes and you've got yerself a collection! :lol:
This stuff really matters? These guns were made for shootin'!
a gun & box with matching numbers is worth more than the same gun in a non matching or non numbered box, thus renumbering a box to match seems wrong to me. Somewhere down the line someone unknowingly gets a fake/forgery. I have no issue removing the number from the box but adding a different one, unethical IMO
As long as we see ads for guns touting "with numbered-to-gun box" as if that's worth a higher price, I'll call this practice deceptive. Why else would someone do it? If you do it, you KNOW it's bogus, and you're only kidding yourself. Show-and-tell with bogus stuff is certainly less-than-cool.
And i know some will belittle that comment, and they are welcome to their opinion . . . but I'll certainly have second thoughts about them.
JMHO
And i know some will belittle that comment, and they are welcome to their opinion . . . but I'll certainly have second thoughts about them.
JMHO
Legitimate matching SN boxes are more valuable.
Jimbo357mag
Hawkeye
+1 ...and I don't really care about boxes that much, cause all I have are newer guns, but right is right. The minute you try to put another number on a box, you have perpetrated a fraud. :Dgolferboy426 said:
contender
Ruger Guru
Ok, lets consider this.
You have a nice correctly boxed gun,,,and unfortunately, you allowed your bumbling BIL to handle it & he dropped it. He scratched the grip frame,,, or dented the grips. A pristine firearm, and you swap out a grip frame and or grips with a mint condition correct grip frame & grips. You have returned the firearm to the condition it was in before stupid BIL dropped it, with correct parts. Fraud or restoration?
Say you shipped a firearm to Ruger back in 1965 for the bluing to be redone because it was turning color. Ruger reblued it. Nobody can tell the difference, including you. It's turning plum again, and now that's considered desirable. Fraud or restoration?
If Ruger repairs a gun with period correct parts & ships it back in a correct box for the gun,,, Fraud or restoration?
I say this because MANY of the very nice, desirable collectable Rugers out there have had this exact type of work done. Yet, none of the folks who buy such guns can tell any difference than how it was prior or after the changes.
Just some food for thought.
You have a nice correctly boxed gun,,,and unfortunately, you allowed your bumbling BIL to handle it & he dropped it. He scratched the grip frame,,, or dented the grips. A pristine firearm, and you swap out a grip frame and or grips with a mint condition correct grip frame & grips. You have returned the firearm to the condition it was in before stupid BIL dropped it, with correct parts. Fraud or restoration?
Say you shipped a firearm to Ruger back in 1965 for the bluing to be redone because it was turning color. Ruger reblued it. Nobody can tell the difference, including you. It's turning plum again, and now that's considered desirable. Fraud or restoration?
If Ruger repairs a gun with period correct parts & ships it back in a correct box for the gun,,, Fraud or restoration?
I say this because MANY of the very nice, desirable collectable Rugers out there have had this exact type of work done. Yet, none of the folks who buy such guns can tell any difference than how it was prior or after the changes.
Just some food for thought.
Any of the mentioned operations are, by definition, restorations/repairs.
It's only fraud if the subject gun is thereafter presented and priced as "original" when it is known to have been "messed with".
This is probably only of concern to serious collectors. I have bought guns that were not strictly "original" but I knew it and paid what I though was a fair price for the particular example in question.
We all know what we're talking about here.
;)
It's only fraud if the subject gun is thereafter presented and priced as "original" when it is known to have been "messed with".
This is probably only of concern to serious collectors. I have bought guns that were not strictly "original" but I knew it and paid what I though was a fair price for the particular example in question.
We all know what we're talking about here.
;)
