Problem with 30/30 die

[crow#2]

I have a scraping feeling and sound when full length sizing my 30 /30 brass. Also feels like it requires to much force on the handke of press.LeeDies....I tried polishing the inside of the die and the shaft with the depriner pin. Im sure my polish was to smooth or high of grit. The polish is a pink really smooth stuff basically for jewelry. I probably need more abrasive of a compound. What do you reccomend? Could the chamber of my rifle be slightly oversized? Dont really think thats the case but thought i would throw it out there. Im thinking maybe using JB bore paste on a cotto bore mop in a cordless drill,,med speed,, then clean the die out the do the same thing with this jewelry type polish.

 

[justshootin]

Is it putting any marks on the sized brass?

My first thoughts are too little lube

 

[Pál_K]

You could measure the diameter of a fired case at several points and compare that to those same points on an unfired case. Unlikely you've got an oversize chamber, though.

I've never had to clean or polish the inside of my .30-30 dies; I use just a very light coating of RCBS case lube on the brass and that's sufficient: no scraping or other sounds.

 

[Cholo]

It's simply your expander ball scraping on the inside of the case neck. Scrub the inside of the case neck a few times with a 30 cal. nylon bore brush with a touch of dry lube and then size it. I use the Midway brand I've had for decades called MICA Dry White Lubricant.

 

[NikA]

Case lubed? Any galling/marring near the case mouth?

Might want to try outside chamfering the case mouths a bit before you alter the die.

If you do need to alter, I've had good luck with Clover valve lapping compound for steel dies and diamond paste for carbide. Clover compound comes in a bunch of different grades, I typically use 400 grit for this type of work.

 

[XP100]

Do you know anyone nearby that has a 30-30 sizing die you could borrow ?

 

[Mobuck]

Some 30/30 chambers tend to be a bit over sized. Cases that aren't clean and lubed properly are going to produce the feeling/sound you describe. A bit of dry lube(graphite) on the inside of the case mouth will lessen this if the neck is deformed.
As mentioned: are there scars or scrapes on the sized cases? This might indicate embedded grit inside the die.

 

[Chief 101]

If you are not scoring the brass(which I had that issue once) than you are not using proper lube technique, you are not using enough lube, you are not using clean brass, you have an improperly made die...figure it out.

 

[DeletedMember275]

On all new rifle die sets, I remove the decapping spindle on the FL sizing die, and chuck it up in my drill. Then I polish the expander plug with progressively finer grits of sandpaper. Polish being the key word. Don't reduce the diameter. Then clean it off and reassemble.

 

[crow#2]

Would this be a good thing to get. I dont shoot much and dont want to go through a lot of trouble.

 

[kmoore]

Cleaning dies once and awhile is ok. I would do after a simple cleaning of die. Make sure enough lube is on case and or try another brand of lube. If its marking the case, that's a problem if not try more lube. Last thing I would do is run compounds inside the die. I would be contacting Lee 1st before using any compounds in the die and or buy another set even a different brand and see if that's still a problem. If still a problem then have rifle chamber spec'ed.

 

[Cholo]

I seriously doubt it's a die problem.

↑ My statement covers the whole thread not a single individual's post.

 

[crow#2]

And this lube. Is this the best lube

 

[crow#2]

Ok guys im not a machine tool or gun guru. Heres the best measurements i could get. The new brass measured in 5 places.hope this pic is ok. Maybe these measuements will help in determining over sized bore or not.Shouldnt a fired case be slightly bigger diameter than a new brass

 

[crow#2]

I might just neck size until i need to full length. Which im not sure how to tell.

 

[Paul B]

I might just neck size until i need to full length. Which im not sure how to tell.

When the loaded round becomes stiff or difficult to chamber yhen you need to do a full lengt resize.

Second, I agree with the use of the Imperial sizing die wax. You use very little and apply with your fingers. Just barely dab your fingers in the stuff and lightly cover the case with lube. It only takes a very thin coating. That stuff is very slick and now is the only thing I will use when resizing brass.
Paul B.

 

[crow#2]

Thanks Paul

 

[gnappi]

If you do not have one, get a case neck lubricator. It uses a brush and "Motor Mica" to clean and lube the neck. Also Imperial sizing die wax is the best on the market.

 

[Papalote]

If you said the cases had marks on them. A gall mark or something. I missed that post. Been using imperial sizing wax for over 25 years and all brands of dies and never had to polish any of them. Too much polish might do more harm than good.

 

[MHtractorguy]

Crow, the carbide dies are generally for straight walled pistol cases, NOT bottle neck rifle cases. You have not mentioned what type of lube you were using, if any.
I also didn't notice anybody asking, so I will. Were the cases lubed when you experienced this sensation?
Did you see any scrapes or scratches on your brass AFTER you sized them?

 

[Actnbill]

Lee dies........ !!!

Replace with some RCBS, Dillon, or Redding dies....

Or at least take them apart and clean the heck out of the ones you have...

 

[crow#2]

lubed wih oneshot.a couple cases had slight scape marks. Only about every 8 or 10 had the hard to put into the die. Most were ok but when i had one that took alot of force it was quite bit of force. I polished the expander that goes into the brass necks. That took alot of the scraping sound and feeling out. Im going to grt some Impersl sizing wax and see how it goes

 

[Dan in MI]

Did you clean / tumble the brass? If not, clean it.
Use imperial lube, it’s the best. Learned that forming new calibers .
Try running without the expander in the die. See if the issue changes
Try a inside neck lube. Imperial makes a good dry version.
As stated carbide is for straight wall not bottleneck
Neck sizing will work depending on the gun it is used in. Usually not good for repeaters and not good across multiple guns.

 

[xtratoy]

An often overlooked part to check is to see if your shellholder is seating in the press ram correctly and the cartridge is fully seated in the shellholder. Gunk can build up in the shellholder keeping brass from being aligned properly.

 

[crow#2]

yes it is. Ive noticed that being a issue a few times