No 1911 ? :(

[Flash]

Hey Rev ~ whadda ya think? Is a designer, high-dollar 1911 decidedly more accurate than a MilSpec Springfield?

Flash ~ no reason to give up. Seems you and I are simply approaching the subject from different directions. Does more expensive always translate into higher quality? Each individual should judge, I suppose.

And no, I've never shot a military issue 1911. That's why I stated "I suspect today's entry level 1911's are much more true to the original form than hand fitted ........". If you or others tell me the WWII issue 1911's were assembled in a Les Baer-like custom shop, I'll take your word for it.

Hitman, I think you have it backwards. Higher quality always translates into more expensive and the cartridge does the work, not the platform.

A M1911 is loose, inaccurate and roughly finished. A custom 1911, depending on the builder, operates smooth as butter, is ungodly accurate and fitted like a Rolex. It's all in what someone likes and is willing to spend their money on.

 

[revhigh]

You're the only one who insists on using that around here every chance you get old buddy. :?

Do you deny it ??

Your beloved Colts have MIM parts too.

True ... the newer Colts do (not as many though, and in the correct places) .... I generally don't recommend them either ,,, except for the GC.

Care to guess how many MIM and/or powdered metal parts are in that new technowonder car you're driving? Way more than you'd like given your distaste for these parts.

A car is a car ... a gun is a gun .... big difference Jeff !

MIM has it's place in production ... Kimber DOES and HAS used it incorrectly. Show me some documentation of Colt MIM parts failing ....

Check out the thread below ....

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?s=00eb3fa01a5ec967b61f8308373ef0ee&t=72119

 

[revhigh]

I think that if Ruger was to make a Luger or a 1911 it would be a great gun and be easily identifiable as a Ruger. They would do something to make it uniquely their own.

And the above statement will explain the reason for it's failure .....

REV

 

[revhigh]

A well constructed ACCURATE pistol and above average trigger with a few of the now normal upgrades will hook me.

And PLEASE no front slide serrations.

That's what I've been preaching for years !!

Oh yeah ... I forgot ... street price of $550-600.

REV

 

[revhigh]

Hey Rev ~ whadda ya think? Is a designer, high-dollar 1911 decidedly more accurate than a MilSpec Springfield?.

In just a few words ... IT DAMN WELL BETTER BE !!!!!!

Keep in mind Mike, I never said the 'boutique' products weren't good or great ... I've always said they're simply NOT WORTH IT, or anywhere NEAR what they try to sell them for.

Got a loaded Baer, Wilson, or RRA for $800-1000 .... I'm in.

I'll pass on Kimber (a new one) at any price. I'm simply not interested. I'd consider a much older Kimber only if I could shoot it first, and then decide.

REV

 

[ArmedinAZ]

Rev, that thread you posted the link to had it's last response in 2004. :shock: Did they have problems? I guess, I wasn't doing handguns way back then. I've been lurking on the Kimber forum at 1911forum for 2 years now and yes people come on and have problems but I honestly can't remember a single broken MIM part in that time. Certainly no epidemic of busted pistols. Kinda like Pennzoil was accused of sludge problems back in the 80s so it sucks forever, or since Pintos exploded Ford sucks forever or Firestone tires stink forever, or since the first SR guns had problems they all suck forever..it takes a long time to overcome a bad rep. Whatever.

We do agree on what kind of Ruger 1911 would make us part with our Geo. Washingtons though. :wink: Ruger has the SR platform sorted out it looks like, hopefully the LC9 will run out of the box, now for the big dog.

 

[dacaur]

I agree that a $2600 1911 isnt $2000 better than a $600 1911, and is unlikely to shoot better than a $1000 1911, but I will also agree that a $900 1911 is almost certain to be better than a $450 1911....

 

[revhigh]

I agree that a $2600 1911 isnt $2000 better than a $600 1911, and is unlikely to shoot better than a $1000 1911, but I will also agree that a $900 1911 is almost certain to be better than a $450 1911....

I'd agree with every one of your above points dacaur. 100%.

It doesn't take much to make a 1911 very, very good. A nice tight lockup, good barrel, and a trigger job generally does it for me. It's not very expensive to make a 1911 shoot great and have a great trigger .... especially when it's being done on a production line.

Regarding the Kimber thread, ArmedinAZ (LOL) I didn't even notice the date ... it was just one of the first that I found when I googled 'Kimber MIM failures'. Maybe they have resolved it since 2004. I guess if they wouldn't have, they wouldn't be around. I have so little interest in them that I really haven't kept up with any of their products. I still feel they're monstrously overpriced for what you get, so they never enter into consideration for me.

I know the original and much older Kimbers were very nice, but it seemed that they lost their way with their initial success, and cheapened and really downgraded their guns. At the same time they cheapened and downgraded, playing off their initial success, they began the advertising blitz and got a decent reputation. Playing off of THAT, they downgraded and cheapened even more. A good recipe for stockholders ... not so much for gun buyers ...

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[hittman]

I agree that a $2600 1911 isnt $2000 better than a $600 1911, and is unlikely to shoot better than a $1000 1911, but I will also agree that a $900 1911 is almost certain to be better than a $450 1911....

Finally ..... somebody understands the point I couldn't get across.

 

[BulkAmmo]

I have a limit to what I'm willing to spend on a 1911. Right around 1,000 is where I feel like my cost benefit ratio starts to slip to the point where I'm paying for name vs performance. This goes on in all areas of mechanical devises though. Cars have a threshold of around 60k.

I would like to see a Ruger 1911 that would come in just a little above the RIA. If the build quality was similar, they would have a winner. I know a lot of shooters that would like to have a nice entry level American 1911. Not taking away from the imports.


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[JeepVideo]

BulkAmmo, I agree 100%. I'd love to get a Ruger branded, American-made 1911 at an affordable price. Heck if they want to offer two models, "entry-level" and affordable and then a tricked-out pony I'd say go for it.

I'd just like to be able to get in with the Ruger stamping on the side and then make it mine over time.

 

[luvmyruger]

well, its still 2011... the 1911 was official adopted by the army on march 29, 1911.. I'm betting there will be more than a few 1911's officially released on march 29th....

We still have hope, at least till the end of march....

I see that Ithaca will soon be releasing a new 1911. 8)

I talked with Ithaca, and they will have a couple version out soon.

 

[agentadam]

Just because it wasn't at the shot show doesn't mean its not in the works. We have seen plastic models and cast frames so far. Give it another year or two.

Hell, Glock even said look for a carbine next year.

 

[Buckeye!]

Another 1911?
How about an SR45c?

Yep......

 

[Charon]

Every unmodified 1911 I have shot gave me hammer bite. I don't like that. My Browning Hi-Power gave me hammer bite. I sold it. My P85 and my P94DC don't give hammer bite, so I kept them. I can't see me ever buying another 1911, unless the price is good enough I think I can sell it for a profit.

 

[rich642z]

I have a ruger P345 and that is closesed to a 1911 like I have to want. I have 2 Colts. one made during WW1 and the other made in 1925. Yes,they both shake and rattle but, they are my collectors pieces that I will pass on down the family tree.

 

[leejack]

I'm still undecided on which one to purchase. I don't have the cash right now, anyways.

I do however, think that there are allot of good ones to choose from at a reasonable price. Bells and whistles were never my thing.

I like the looks of the basic ones myself; ie. government models.

 

[Ruger61]

A well constructed ACCURATE pistol and above average trigger with a few of the now normal upgrades will hook me.

And PLEASE no front slide serrations.

That's what I've been preaching for years !!

Oh yeah ... I forgot ... street price of $550-600.

REV

ok, maybe I'm just bad, but I don't dislike the front serrations. I find them useful for a quick chamber check. Both hands have a bit of arthritis, they help a lot.

 

[Ruger61]

Just for the record.

If or when, Ruger does build a M1911 Here's what I'd like for a reasonable price point (~$600-$700)

Beaver tail

Good sight with highlights. They Don't have to be "night/low light" Just easy to see.

Polished feed ramp. This used to be expensive, now everyone seems to be doing them.

Front serrations help me so they're just a personal taste thing.

A SR logo on the grips. Oh and make them Stainless (at least as an option) so the local cops can say; "hey, that's a pretty gun." Like they did with the Kimber I had in the IHOP one morning. (led to a pleasant convo.)

 

[Yawn]

what is hammer bite?

 

[dacaur]

hammer bite and slide bite are when the hammer and/or slide hits or pinches your hand as the slide cycles, often drawing blood. Its more common to those with big meaty hands, which allows the web of the hand to kinda bunch up and ride higher than someone with slim hands... On an original configuration 1911 it can be particularly nasty as the hammer pinches your skin between it and the top of the grip safety... A beavertail grip safety eliminates this problem, by extending out far enough so that you cant get the web of your hand under the hammer,....

Thankfully i have never experienced it, but Ive seen it, and plan to do everything in my power to prevent it from happening to me :shock:

 

[Yawn]

Oh my, that sounds horrible... I have huge hands and that has never happened to me. But I have never shot an older model 1911.