New GP100 Shoots Left

[contender]

Herooftime,, I will not try & persuade you to buy another new Ruger. But,, maybe you might give thought to looking at an older GP-100? Gun shows, and good dealers can often be a great source for good quality, yet a little older guns.
That way,, you can study the gun PRIOR to a purchase.

The Model 27 S&W is a bigger frame than the GP,, but a known good model. But ALL,, yes,, ALL makers can have issues. Colt, Ruger, S&W, etc have had people unhappy with their gun(s).

I've shot several Dan Wesson revolvers,, and none have ever sprayed me with lead. But finding an older DW to buy,, will require a good bit more than the cost of a GP or a S&W etc.

 

[gunzo]

Which model and year is this?

2025 Lipseys exclusive 686 Mtn. Gun. 7 shot 357 with no lock & Bear Hug grips.

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[Stopsign32v]

2025 Lipseys exclusive 686 Mtn. Gun. 7 shot 357 with no lock & Bear Hug grips.

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It looks nice but I have my personal rules. They weren't called 6 guns for nothin!

Edit: That 629 Mountain Gun!!!!!!! Shhhhhhooooweee

Edit Edit: I'm not going to sit here and say it's not worth it, but $1200+ for a newly manufactured revolver? Come on...

 

[gunzo]

The Ruger GP100 Match Champion retail,,,,, $1269.

Welcome to 2025

 

[Stopsign32v]

The Ruger GP100 Match Champion retail,,,,, $1269.

Welcome to 2025

Match Champions can be found new for $850 all day long. To me, that is reasonable.

 

[s4s4u]

Thanks for the replies. Unfortunately, I'll be looking elsewhere for a revolver. Ruger's customer service wasn't too bad, but when someone has a legitimate issue, the priority should be focused on fixing the issue and not throwing mud at the wall until it sticks. Driving out to the nearest FFL dealer isn't close and gas isn't cheap either. Oh well.

I'm eyeing the 4" models 20 and 27 from S&W now. If only they built them without the goofy internal locking system though.

S&W isn't immune from the same issue, over/under-clocked barrels. They also tend to cost a good bit more than Ruger, across the board.

The question will be, how will they take care of it should it be a problem.

 

[Stopsign32v]

S&W isn't immune from the same issue, over/under-clocked barrels. They also tend to cost a good bit more than Ruger, across the board.

The question will be, how will they take care of it should it be a problem.

S&W is horrible about incorrectly clocked barrels and I even had a 360J which I bought new and it locked up and had to be sent back and replaced. (I didn't accept it at my FFL)

S&W did not take back the 360J I had the seller send another one.

Moral of the story I guess is you spend more for a S&W for absolutely nothing but a name. At least Ruger will take care of you 110% if anything is wrong that you don't like.

 

[Stopsign32v]

To me, the only thing S&W has going for them is they really do have an eye for making attractive looking revolvers.

But then again all they do is use old designs and keep re-releasing them.

I can't understand why Ruger or Smith doesn't try something new. Spohr really has me wondering about my next big purchase coming up. Looks familiar yet so unique.

 

[Hvymax]

Might have better luck with a Taurus???

 

[farley]

Might have better luck with a Taurus???

NO NO NO NO NO!!!

 

[gunzo]

Match Champions can be found new for $850 all day long. To me, that is reasonable.

Sorry, I thought we were comparing MSRP.
Now, if we want to compare best price when shopped, I can buy a S&W performance center 686 for same coin as the GP you mention.
The 686 I pictured is a Lipsey's Exclusive special edition with an overpriced set of custom grips. Tyler Gun Works/Bear Hug Grips gets $250 for them. If I had my choice I would have opted out on those but I wasn't ask.

 

[Stopsign32v]

That's a good point, fair enough then.

 

[eveled]

As much as I like my GP100 and my N frames. If you want a really nice .357 revolver look for a Security Six. I wish Ruger never stopped making them.

 

[Hvymax]

Even Pythons have gone to crap these days. The concept of "Skilled Labor" has been lost!!!

 

[Stopsign32v]

It's more that the quality of people in America has drastically declined in the past 30 years.

I'd bet you, that the same people putting Ruger or Smith firearms together today are the same people that serve you at McDonalds.

 

[Richard76]

I believe more blame should be put on supervisors and management. workers in my experience will do what is expected of them if they know what that is. If you allow them to do sub par work with no repercussions or further training how will they improve ?

 

[hittman]

Well ….. that and if you just fire them it can be near impossible to find a replacement so ….. I can tell you as a former employer it aint as easy as it looks or sounds.

 

[Stopsign32v]

I believe more blame should be put on supervisors and management. workers in my experience will do what is expected of them if they know what that is. If you allow them to do sub par work with no repercussions or further training how will they improve ?

It's much more deep than this.

The true root of the issue lies with the parents of children. Broken families, no parenting and allowing the kid to get away with murder.

Next is the education system and "no kid left behind". Kids are passing high-school and going out into the workforce with failing grades. Do I believe most of what you learn in school is useful in life? Honestly no...But I find a lot of value in the effort of making passing grades. That's the foundation of your work ethic.

Finally now we are in the workforce. The issue there is a saturation of job opportunities. As a supervisor or manager I can be as strict as I'd like or give as much training as I want (training = cost) but there's no driving force to keep workers at my place of employment when they can leave and go somewhere else tomorrow for the same amount or more.

Then the coup de grace is temp agencies. Just imagine you are a sub par person that has no interest in bringing value to your place of employment and you just want a job. There's companies that literally say "Don't worry if you get fired, we will replace you with someone equally as worthless and we will find you another job at another client we have."

This is just scratching the surface of the issues America is plagued with. If you go to Europe the blue collar workforce here in America are the line workers in Europe. I've seen it myself and it left me humbled.



Edit: to sum it all up, the supervisors and managers can't squeeze lemons and expect orange juice.

 

[Stopsign32v]

And since I work in manufacturing I will explain how it works and the reason Ruger is special (at this moment) or at least my opinion.

Manufacturing has 3 main departments. Production, quality, and logistics. Production is responsible for making the product. Quality will argue this isn't true and that Production is responsible for making QUALITY products. But the truth is Production is expected to make x amount of product in x amount of time. This is value added.

Important is Production is the ONLY department in a company that is value added. Nothing else adds value only takes it away with cost.

Quality makes sure the customer is happy if there are issues and tries to drive Production to make good parts.

Logistics ships the parts correctly.

Ruger has a very very good quality department with people that really care about their job. This could change at any point but usually Quality workers are a step above Production workers in everything. They are sometimes blue collar but even if they are white collar they are of blue collar value. Often times good Production employees are promoted to Quality workers.

Some of the best Rugers I saw leave the factory were the COVID era. It's my opinion that Ruger had quality workers building the firearms to keep the valued workers employeed during a time of most people wanted to stay home and low sales. I know my GP100 was built during COVID and it's just about perfect in every way.

 

[Hvymax]

I eventually "Graduated" to QC myself. If it's not Quality it's not Production. Companies used to "Develop" their workforce. Starting as broom pushers and promoted as skills developed. Now everyone wants to hire "Experienced People" ready to go and fire anyone when they make a mistake. No accumulated experience whatsoever.

 

[eveled]

A while back I looked at Ruger as if I wanted to work there.

It didn't seem like they have that great of a reputation as an employer anymore.

If the employees aren’t happy it would explain a lot about the quality

 

[bisleyfan41]

At least Ruger will take care of you 110% if anything is wrong that you don't like.

Except the fact is that this thread and the other GP thread are absolute proof that your statement is 110% incorrect. Neither customer was taken care of. Not 110%, not 50%, not 1%. Neither got the gun they paid for and probably lost money in transfer fees

When facts are presented that can't be argued, out comes the "Well all gunmakers produce junk." line of crap. So Ruger producing junk is OK as long as S&W and Colt do too???

The Ruger apologists amaze me. Faced with absolute facts, they still state the opposite is true. Precious.

 

[neilin]

Try adjusting how you hold the gun, if you have not already. Hold so your trigger finger pad is centered on the trigger, and hold high on the grip. If it still shoots left, adjust the hold so the trigger is under the first joint of the trigger finger. You can adjust the rear sight down to bring your shot down, and if that does not work, try another cartridge/bullet.

 

[JackAsinus]

I've had several Ruger revolvers through the years.

GP100 Model 1771, went back 3 times to Ruger, now sold

SP101 Model 5718, went back twice, confiscated by my daughter

Super Redhawk Model 5505, went back 3x, deemed non repairable and was replaced with an Alaskan Model 5301

Super Redhawk Alaskan Model 5301, never had to sent in, now sold

My current GP100 Model 1715, went back once, my edc