Me and the VA

Colonialgirl

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Some of you may remember my problem with a firearm and the VA property; well after talking to the local NRA recommended Attourney and with our local Congressional Rep; I finally went ahead and paid the $500 (OUCH that did hurt); However I was able to go over today and pick up my SR9c, Both magazines and all
26 Self Defense rounds. So a $500 lesson, but at LEAST it was ONLY that and NOT plus whatever a new SR9c would have cost me.
Kinda stupid rule for the VA considering where ALL the mass shootings have occurred including US Government installations. ( Ft Hood, Fort Carson, Washington DC Navy Yard, etc etc.)

:D :( :D :( :D :cry: :cry: :D :D :roll: :roll: :roll: <--- Mixed feelings !!! :mrgreen:
 
Pretty sad that the federal government is the one that infringes on the right to bear arms. The VA, and the Post Office, are ours, they work for us, they consume our money. How we got into this mess is beyond me, I don't think it is what the founding father's wanted for us.
 
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All's well that ends well... Albeit a bit lighter in the pocketbook. :?

I'm eligible I guess, but I wouldn't go near a VA... Although I did work as a contractor at the San Diego VA off & on for 25 years. What a clueless bunch. Nice enough folks if ya don't tick 'em off, but man, they just don't think right over there!
 
She left her pistol in her car when going into the VA but left her concealed holster on and someone saw it.... car was on VA property.... Y'all realize you break federal law if you have a gun in your vehicle on Government property unless you are an employee and approved. Sounds much like Boston.... 1774....

I venture to say we are all criminals........
 
As a practical matter, if you leave your gun AND holster in your vehicle, out of sight, when going to the V.A. facility, nothing negative occurs. Some parts of the country involve lengthy travel for a veteran to get to a V.A. hospital. Strict adherence to the V.A.'s "no gun" policy would mean making the entire trip unarmed. For some folks that is OK, but if you prefer to have your legally carried firearm with you for the travel, just make sure that by the time you enter the V.A. parking lot the gun and holster are out of sight, locked within your vehicle. Seems a simple compromise to me.
 
That is a poor policy for veterans. I noticed the sign at the entrance to the VA parking lot when I went yesterday. I left my carry weapon and holster under the truck seat like I do at the post office and court house but I wouldn't be surprised at random car searches from the Feds. I remember that happening in the AAL employees parking in the early 90's. I have the situation Vito described, extended travel on rural two lanes so weapon left at home is not an option. Think I will have my wife drop me at the curb and go shopping when I have to see them.
 
if it had been me
?"Why you have on a holster? "It helps keep my cell phone charger cable handy"
?Where is your gun?" "Nunyabidniz"
?How did you get here?" "Rode the bus"

Having dealt with VA security as a contractor, do not tell them anything
 
GLGAR said:
That is a poor policy for veterans. I noticed the sign at the entrance to the VA parking lot when I went yesterday. I left my carry weapon and holster under the truck seat like I do at the post office and court house but I wouldn't be surprised at random car searches from the Feds. I remember that happening in the AAL employees parking in the early 90's. I have the situation Vito described, extended travel on rural two lanes so weapon left at home is not an option. Think I will have my wife drop me at the curb and go shopping when I have to see them.

Sweetie;
That's what I HAD DONE, but some retarded person in the Mammogram section saw the IWB holster and "thought" (used extremely loosely) that it was a "gun".
The actual weapon was safely tucked away under the front seat and out of reach unless I stopped, got out and down on my knees to reach under the seat.
SO, a word; BE CAREFUL or you'll end up in my mess too.
 
Hi,

Pamela, I'm glad you got out for just "the price of tuition!"

Now, for all you guys in other States who love to trash CA, there's a lesson in here that she paid to learn, but you can pick up for free: there are times the appearance of impropriety is as bad as the act itself. As you already know but might tend to overlook, you are NOT nearly as "free" as some like to tell us they are, wherever you are. Your "permits" generally don't give you carte blanche to do what you want, they essentially only "permit you to carry where you're allowed to" and that "allowed to" thing appears to create some serious roadblocks. Arguing that concept's something for another thread--here we're just looking at how it is, like it or not. What's a poor boy/girl to do?

Well, nobody's gonna argue CA's gun laws make any sense or follow any logic, but we have one which might be something to consider for some of you guys who travel between "allowed to" zones and "not allowed to" ones. That is that an unloaded handgun can be carried in a vehicle in a locked container and the definition of locked container is broad enough to cover a multitude of sins. "Intent" might be one of the more serious ones...

As some of you will remember, we kinda "invented" road rage freeway shootings out here. Although we didn't know it at the time, a g/f and I got caught up in a traffic jam we later learned was caused by the very first one either of us ever heard of--late '80s for reference. Shortly after the second or third one, I read a newspaper article about how many people might be carrying guns in their cars and, in what's become typical media fashion, it suggested LE just disarm them. A CHP officer was interviewed, and he said doing so was an impossibility: his agency had estimated approximately 1 in 5 vehicles on the freeways out here has a firearm in it! Considering there are roughly 30 million vehicles registered in this State, that's quite a few for a place where we're so restricted, no?

Anyway, with that number in my head, I talked with a range buddy who was an active (now retired) Sheriff's deputy at the time about carrying guns in a vehicle for self protection. Without going into details, he gave me some "hints" on how to do it, all of which hinge on a carefully crafted mix of "technicalities" blended with a touch of the "crime lies in getting caught" mentality. Of course, they also involve some "mental training" to ensure that IF there's ever a meeting with LEOs, you'll be "technically legal" at THAT time!

With that in mind, I'd suggest you guys in "freer" States who do go into "not allowed" zones consider keeping a lockable case in the vehicle for times you must leave your firearm (AND your extra mags/ammo AND your holster!) in it... depending on your own laws, maybe it can help keep you out of some trouble? Hope so! Even if you don't do that, at least do as I'll bet Pamela does from now on: give yourself a "pat down" to make sure there's no potential problem lurking under your shirt or jacket...

Rick C
 
There's something to be said about the appearance of impropriety.
In Md. the mags in that locked case are not supposed to be loaded either.
 
I watch old "Perry Mason" TV programs (yeah, in Black and White) and it's surprising how many times someone has a pistol (usually a 32 caliber) carried illegally in their automobile and of COURSE they are ALL "registered" to someone when Lt Tragg testifies in court against Perry's client.
 
Colonialgirl said:
I watch old "Perry Mason" TV programs (yeah, in Black and White) and it's surprising how many times someone has a pistol (usually a 32 caliber) carried illegally in their automobile and of COURSE they are ALL "registered" to someone when Lt Tragg testifies in court against Perry's client.

Subtle bast___s ("authorities" and others) have been at this for many years haven't they?
 
CG, I'm glad you got your pistol back. It does stink it cost you $500 because you had your pistol in the car. Ouch! It is tragic that our government is so out of control.
 
Sorry to hear about the $500 hit Pam. Glad you got the gun back. SR9 is almost as nice as my SR40c.

It costs me a good bit not to go to the VA for my hearing aids that are necessary due to ear damage back in 1965 in the Army but besides detesting the VA I just won't play their game. Lucky for me I have decent medical insurance. Likewise I haven't been in a post office for a long time. We have a UPS store nearby that also handles mail. No gun sign on their door. I don't want any other connection with the US government other than they keep paying my pension that I earned.
 
Pam it sounds like a happy ending-$500. you got your gun back don't worry be happy. Next time leave everything in the car.
 

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