IBM M-1 Carbine

[Johnnu2]

A buddy has an IBM manufactured M1 carbine (he received as a gift when he retired); says it's in like-new condition. He's not a gun guy or much of a shooter and, is thinking about selling it. I'm not interested in buying it but said I would help him get rid of it (probably thru a local FFL?). I'm going to see if I can research it on Gunbroker (but always have difficulty figuring how to do that). Anyone want to venture a guesstimate on it's value?
THANKS,
J.

 

[contender]

Those can be quite valuable. I STRONGLY suggest a serious studying of it & educating him about it before it sells.

As for using GB,, once you log in,, you go to "Advanced Search" and look for "completed" items. THEN type in the info on the gun.

 

[Johnnu2]

THANKS T.

J.

 

[eveled]

Heck of a retirement present. Did he work for IBM?

I hope he gets a lot for it.

 

[Timbo23]

IBM made carbines are interesting. The trigger groups made by IBM were made of stamped parts that were welded together instead of being a milled part. They really look crude compared to the milled ones. They work fine, just don't look pretty.
Your friends M-1 may or may not have an IBM made trigger group as they are interchangeable among all the different manufacturers and many were mixed up in post war rebuilds and updates.
I used to collect M-1 parts just in case I found a 'parts' carbine that needed a 'correct' one. I have a complete IBM trigger group but never found an IBM carbine that needed it.
The search continues though!

 

[Johnnu2]

He retired from the Army reserve as a Colonel (IIRC) while working for IBM as well... and finally retired from there. As an Army reservist, he taught at West Point (as part of his reserve duty). I think it was the IBM guys who got him the carbine. According to Gunbroker completed sales, it would appear that a good average price has been between $1250 and $1550... Like many of us Octogenarians, it's time to move the 'stuff' on down the road. The LGS in the state he lives in (who I've known for years) said $1,000 to $2,000 depending on condition and what it "really is". So we'll see when we finally get together to get it done. Do you remove the trigger group the same way as a Mini-14?
J.

 

[NikA]

Trigger group for M-1 carbine just slides forward off the receiver when it's out of the stock. Does not remove through bottom like M-1/M-14/Mini-14.

My guess would be 2k for a parts correct carbine in like new condition. Refurbished in good condition seem to be at least 1200 these days.

 

[Timbo23]

To remove the trigger group, first make sure the M-1 is unloaded, unscrew the screw that holds tension on the barrel band. Slide the barrel band forward, take off the upper hand guard, lift the barrel and receiver from the stock. Lay the barrel and receiver upside down with the trigger group pointing up. Then drift out the pin that holds the trigger group to the receiver and lift it out.
See if you can find a YouTube video on disassembly and reassembly.
Good Luck! It sounds like a neat old rifle.

 

[hittman]

$1k minimum

 

[jimbo1096]

This past weekend at the local gun show three were three I saw. I think the lesser of them was 1150 and the more expensive was 1500. I didn't bother to look at what manufacture they were

 

[tazbigdog]

I'd suggest bringing it to an auction house and get an estimate. I've seen used M1 carbines go for $1,500-$2,000. I'm guessing a ‘like-new’ condition, and backstory would bring it higher to collectors.

 

[blume357]

If it is actually "in like new" condition and the only way that would be is if it was stored away in the back of the factory at IBM, which sounds possible, then it is worth a lot to the right person.
It actually sounds like the LGS that you or he spoke to might know what they are talking about..... good luck.

 

[GasGuzzler]

I'd pay a lot for one since The M1 was being phased out when my dad served AND he retired from IBM many years after his service.

 

[Johnnu2]

To remove the trigger group, first make sure the M-1 is unloaded, unscrew the screw that holds tension on the barrel band. Slide the barrel band forward, take off the upper hand guard, lift the barrel and receiver from the stock. Lay the barrel and receiver upside down with the trigger group pointing up. Then drift out the pin that holds the trigger group to the receiver and lift it out.
See if you can find a YouTube video on disassembly and reassembly.
Good Luck! It sounds like a neat old rifle.

Thanks Timbo, this is VERY Helpful....
Good comments everyone.... THANKS

J.

 

[87flht]

I would offer 1000 , this is an offer, I don’t know much about M1’s but I know there is much to learn about them

 

[Lt92]

Do your research...carbines as well as Garands have almost as many variations as the ubiquitous Luger...research is a necessity

 

[Dan in MI]

Those can be quite valuable. I STRONGLY suggest a serious studying of it & educating him about it before it sells.

As for using GB,, once you log in,, you go to "Advanced Search" and look for "completed" items. THEN type in the info on the gun.

One important addition to this.

Sort by bid count high low. Stop looking at prices when the bid count hits zero.

You only want to look at guns that actually sold.

 

[moparclan]

http://www.uscarbinecal30.com/triggergroup1.html
I use this website quite often for M1 Carbine reference.

 

[blume357]

I have to broach this question while we are on the subject of the M1 Carbine....

I looked it up and confirmed that in just 4 years, '41- '45 we made right at 6.5 million of these rifles.... just what the heck were we going to do with 6+ million of them?

 

[GLASSMAN]

I had a Inland GM that I traded off to a gun store for a
Mahogany cased OM .44.
The Inlands were the most common.
This was a first year issue.
The 44 had some slight finish issues on one side from
storing it on the velour.
The .44 was was priced at 995,00
We swapped even.
They didn't know it as a longframe.

 

[eveled]

I have to broach this question while we are on the subject of the M1 Carbine....

I looked it up and confirmed that in just 4 years, '41- '45 we made right at 6.5 million of these rifles.... just what the heck were we going to do with 6+ million of them?

They were ramping up for the invasion of Japan.

 

[blume357]

I guess that's part of it, but I'm still trying to figure out who exactly was going to carry them all. It is just one of those really amazing facts about our capacity to manufacture and what we actually did during that time. I saw on some history documentary recently about how many I think it was B-25s we build...something like 300,000.

An even further off the point another fact about this... came out in a different post here. Before We entered the war Germany had done the research to see how much military equipment we could actually make if we entered the war and they knew they were safe because the majority of men would be taken out of the plants and put into military service... the Germans doing this research did not take into account that we would put women in the factories....

 

[Wyandot Jim]

blume, you are off a weeee bit on the B-25


Produced in numerous variants, nearly 10,000 B-25s were built.[1]​ It was the most-produced American medium bomber and the third most-produced American bomber overall. These included several limited models such as the F-10 reconnaissance aircraft, the AT-24 crew trainers, and the United States Marine Corps' PBJ-1 patrol bomber.

The B-24 was the most produced..

At approximately 18,500 units – including 8,685 manufactured by Ford Motor Company – it holds records as the world's most produced bomber, heavy bomber, multi-engine aircraft, and American military aircraft in history.

 

[GunnyGene]

I have to broach this question while we are on the subject of the M1 Carbine....

I looked it up and confirmed that in just 4 years, '41- '45 we made right at 6.5 million of these rifles.... just what the heck were we going to do with 6+ million of them?

Sell them to other countries, issue them for Korea and Vietnam.

 

[RC44Mag]

Sell them to other countries, issue them for Korea and Vietnam.

And I'll add, many of those which went to foreign Allie's eventually came or will come home courtesy of the CMP program to end up in American citizens hands.

 

[hittman]

.... just what the heck were we going to do with 6+ million of them?

Kill Germans.
Kill Japanese.
Arm ourselves and allys.

 

[GasGuzzler]

Is 10K and 300K the same?