Convert/update 3 screw?

[Johnnu2]

"..they do in fact stamp the inside of the frame with a big "R"......" Here's the big R (albeit upside down in this picture):


p.s. I know of only ONE knumbskull who was accidentally killed by dropping (while twirling) a single action sixgun (in his father's hardware store at the gun counter) the other 500 bazzillion sixgunners and their children have been unscathed.

J.

 

[RX-79G]

It's NOT an upgrade.
You get the gun back with an action similar to an arrow staple gun.
I grew up shooting Colts, and Old Model Ruger Single actions. My Dad taught me how to handle them properly, and I taught my two boys the same, and they have passed that knowledge on to their kids as well.
If you're the kind to wrap your kids/grandkids up in bubble wrap, then perhaps a safer hobby than firearms should be considered. Because all guns are dangerous if handled improperly.

It's a 20% increase in capacity.

 

[contender]

As noted,, Ruger has been marking the frames,, in a place not visible to users unless the gun is taken apart. As shown by Johnnu2 has posted.

However,, I have heard a few rumors,, NOT confirmed,, that they no longer mark the frames.
BUT,, the reason behind the marking is to prove that at some point the gun was returned to the factory and the transfer bar action was installed. It's a way for the factory to avoid lawsuits if a gun was converted then re-converted back to the original action type.

I know a lot of collectors,, and none have ever discounted a gun because at some point it was sent back for the conversion that I'm aware of.

 

[s4s4u]

I know of only ONE knumbskull who was accidentally killed by dropping (while twirling) a single action sixgun (in his father's hardware store at the gun counter)

Not sure where the stupidity of this ends nor begins....

 

[BULL'S-EYE]

Not sure where the stupidity of this ends nor begins....

Hollywood.

 

[Terry Morgan]

Had my 1958 Blackhawk for about 50 years and never had it 'converted' because I couldn't see any reason to do it.

 

[xtratoy]

I thought that was the case. Thank you for verifying.

I have had two converted 3 screw guns that I have converted back to original. A Single Six and a 41 magnum . Neither had a R stamped into them .

 

[drycreek]

I bought an OM Blackhawk in .357 about a year ago on GB that for some reason the seller wasn’t forthcoming about the converted or unconverted condition. I got it at a good price, which was a good thing, because I had to send it to Alan Harton to have it unconverted. Turned out the “good” deal was only a mediocre deal. The gun is in really good shape though, with a Harton trigger job, so I’m not crying over it.

My point is, unconverted is better for me, even at an extra cost, but others might choose differently.

 

[Ale-8(1)]

I've had to send a couple of guns back for repair work, and of course Ruger "converted" them in the process. Understandable. They returned the original parts.

Actually, they returned a note to me saying they would not do the repair work unless I agreed to the "conversion", which of course I did. I thought it was nice to have the choice.

 

[contender]

"I have had two converted 3 screw guns that I have converted back to original. A Single Six and a 41 magnum . Neither had a R stamped into them ."

I've heard this before.

But sometimes when it's said,, the question is asked; "Did you remove the main frame from the grip frame and look on the bottom of the main frame?"

The marking,, as shown above,, is on the underside of the main frame. Totally invisible when the gun is assembled.

And I have heard a few times it wasn't marked.

So far,, all the ones I've handled & personally inspected,, they have been marked with the "R" there. I'm not saying it hasn't happened,, just my own personal experiences.

 

[xtratoy]

"I have had two converted 3 screw guns that I have converted back to original. A Single Six and a 41 magnum . Neither had a R stamped into them ."

I've heard this before.

But sometimes when it's said,, the question is asked; "Did you remove the main frame from the grip frame and look on the bottom of the main frame?"

The marking,, as shown above,, is on the underside of the main frame. Totally invisible when the gun is assembled.

And I have heard a few times it wasn't marked.

So far,, all the ones I've handled & personally inspected,, they have been marked with the "R" there. I'm not saying it hasn't happened,, just my own personal experiences.

How else could I have converted it back unless I took the whole gun apart? Maybe I've been over complicating the process? But to your question, yes I did remove the grip frame from both guns .

 

[LDB]

I don't know nuthin bout nuthin but I'd suspicion Ruger marks every single one that is upgraded for liability protection. That way they can prove beyond any doubt that on such and such date the work was done and the gun marked. Any incident after that date is not on them. But that's just suspicioning.

 

[RX-79G]

How much has the blue book value of a mass production 1960s revolver dropped after the R is stamped on it?

It's only collectible if it is actually rare and there are actually buyers willing to pay collectible prices.

 

[el caminero]

Hollywood.

Frank gallup (q.v.) ; the ballad of irving.

 

[el caminero]

How much has the blue book value of a mass production 1960s revolver dropped after the R is stamped on it?

It's only collectible if it is actually rare and there are actually buyers willing to pay collectible prices.

less-rare examples are often valued more than some rarities,; its desireability, a very fickle thing.

 

[Ale-8(1)]

How much has the blue book value of a mass production 1960s revolver dropped after the R is stamped on it?

It's only collectible if it is actually rare and there are actually buyers willing to pay collectible prices.

Collectable is in the eye (and bankbook) of the beholder. ;)

 

[contender]

xtratoy,, you said your guns didn't have the mark,, but didn't mention if you'd taken them apart.
My apologies if I upset you. I was just pointing out what I've seen by others in the past.

And apparently,, like I mentioned several post ago,, sometimes Ruger doesn't mark them.

RX-79G,, you said; "How much has the blue book value of a mass production 1960s revolver dropped after the R is stamped on it?"

I haven't checked the latest Blue Book of values,, but I've never seen it mentioned one way or another about the marking & values in it.

As for; "It's only collectible if it is actually rare and there are actually buyers willing to pay collectible prices."

There are collectables,, and there are good guns (Old Models) that bring more money than similar ones because of desirability by shooters AND collectors.

Many things are collectable,, while not as rare as other things.
Example; A Hawkeye handgun is collectable,, even though there were 3300 of them built.

There are a few other good thoughts in the posts above about rarity & collectables.

 

[RX-79G]

There are collectables,, and there are good guns (Old Models) that bring more money than similar ones because of desirability by shooters AND collectors.

Of course. My point is that many people in this thread are asserting that getting the safety recall done has some sort of impact on the collectible valve of these guns. But absolutely no one can explain what that impact might be, and how that would work considering some upgraded guns have no marks, and many Ruger aficionados seem to be unaware that there is even a mark on some of them.

The only real 'danger' is losing your original parts, since the "market" (which the folks on Rugerforum definitely represent), seems to have no strong opinion about the market value impact of doing the recall or having a hidden "R" stamp. So there isn't one.


Personally, I disagree that simply using an empty chamber is just as safe. I have taken an awful lot of new shooters to the range, and sudden calls for cold range cause people to react a little too quickly to make things safe. If you have a cocked SAA in your hand, what do you do to quickly make that gun drop safe so you can set it down on the bench and step away? With a transfer bar, lowering the hammer is always 100%. With the original lockwork you need to either find the empty chamber or unload the cylinder - which isn't great when someone has wondered onto the range.

 

[el caminero]

The impact in value, original vs factory conversion, is not chartable, it is in the head of the buyer, not so much the seller. Some will not have one, others can live with it and, if they ever sell it, likely havent lost track of the other set of parts for the next owner, and others will happily sell-off the original bits to someone who needs them.

 

[xtratoy]

xtratoy,, you said your guns didn't have the mark,, but didn't mention if you'd taken them apart.
My apologies if I upset you. I was just pointing out what I've seen by others in the past.

And apparently,, like I mentioned several post ago,, sometimes Ruger doesn't mark them.

RX-79G,, you said; "How much has the blue book value of a mass production 1960s revolver dropped after the R is stamped on it?"

I haven't checked the latest Blue Book of values,, but I've never seen it mentioned one way or another about the marking & values in it.

As for; "It's only collectible if it is actually rare and there are actually buyers willing to pay collectible prices."

There are collectables,, and there are good guns (Old Models) that bring more money than similar ones because of desirability by shooters AND collectors.

Many things are collectable,, while not as rare as other things.
Example; A Hawkeye handgun is collectable,, even though there were 3300 of them built.

There are a few other good thoughts in the posts above about rarity & collectables.

I'm not upset, just replying to your comment. But you had me wondering if it was / is possible to convert back without removing the grip frame. When I originally years ago posted for info on how to take these apart, the original owner of this forum ( Flatgate ) told me to remove all screws and shake gun upside down!! LOL!! I didnt get that extreme since I still wanted to see how it went back together.

 

[el caminero]

I'm not upset, just replying to your comment. But you had me wondering if it was / is possible to convert back without removing the grip frame. When I originally years ago posted for info on how to take these apart, the original owner of this forum ( Flatgate ) told me to remove all screws and shake gun upside down!! LOL!! I didnt get that extreme since I still wanted to see how it went back together.

Some of us is gravitarians and some is methodicalists.

 

[contender]

LOL!

I can just hear Carl (FlatGate) saying that!

 

[BigPapa53]

I was told by Ruger CS just last week that they will NOT return the original parts. I will say, the girl I spoke to wasn’t as knowledgeable as she could be, she was unaware they changed out any of the parts. She put me on hold and asked someone if they’d return the old parts, came back and said no.