rugerguy said:you might not like his spelling, but 'blackmore' is right.........he copied a LOT and was a "user", wasted nothing of his or of 'others'...........
street said:COPIER?
And just what gun did he copy when he designed the Standard and MK-I pistol. Not only was it a new design with stationary sights, that didn't move with the movement of the bolt, but he designed most of the jigs that was used to manufacture this gun. As for his revolvers, Single-Six and such. Yes it looked lake a colt but that is where it stopped. The gun used coiled springs a complete one piece grip frame, and a internal firing pin which allows the owner of this fine revolver to dry fire it. Oh by the way Colt didn't design it's single action to fire a .22 but if they did the firing pin on the hammer of the colt would not let you dry fire it. And yes this firing pin on the hammer was prone to break, unlike Ruger's internal firing pin. And yes I know after Ruger came out with their .22 then colt copied Ruger and came out with the Scout, with the one piece grip frame.
Now lets look at the 10-22. With that magazine what gun did he copy? I can't think of one. Yes it looks like a M-one carbine, but looks only.
Although I hate the conversion kit, look at what went into that design. It takes an Old Model Ruger and with out doing any machining on the frame turns it into a safe revolver that one can carry 6 rounds without danger of it firing when dropped on it's hammer. And it only cost a few dollars to do. And when he returns the old parts the gun can be returned to it's original state for the collector. Just that design alone makes him a design genius.
Everything that you say that he copied he copied in looks only, and he re-designed it to be a better operating firearm. Just look at all the guns that are 30, 40, 50, and 60 years old that are going strong today. There are too many gun writers and firearm experts, you know people that know what they are talking about, people that make a living in the firearms industry that have called him a "DESIGN GENIUS"
COPIER HE'S NOT, GENIUS HE WAS :roll:
GammaRay said:I have been hijacked :twisted:
Respectfully please start your own thread.
GammaRay said:I am now searching for the best deal on R.L.Wilson's Ruger and His Guns. Hope to have the book in a week or so.
rugerguy said:....no Sirree, that 50,000 was NOT Bills........................and HIS way.......
ElrodCod said:street said:COPIER?
And just what gun did he copy when he designed the Standard and MK-I pistol. Not only was it a new design with stationary sights, that didn't move with the movement of the bolt, but he designed most of the jigs that was used to manufacture this gun. As for his revolvers, Single-Six and such. Yes it looked lake a colt but that is where it stopped. The gun used coiled springs a complete one piece grip frame, and a internal firing pin which allows the owner of this fine revolver to dry fire it. Oh by the way Colt didn't design it's single action to fire a .22 but if they did the firing pin on the hammer of the colt would not let you dry fire it. And yes this firing pin on the hammer was prone to break, unlike Ruger's internal firing pin. And yes I know after Ruger came out with their .22 then colt copied Ruger and came out with the Scout, with the one piece grip frame.
Now lets look at the 10-22. With that magazine what gun did he copy? I can't think of one. Yes it looks like a M-one carbine, but looks only.
Although I hate the conversion kit, look at what went into that design. It takes an Old Model Ruger and with out doing any machining on the frame turns it into a safe revolver that one can carry 6 rounds without danger of it firing when dropped on it's hammer. And it only cost a few dollars to do. And when he returns the old parts the gun can be returned to it's original state for the collector. Just that design alone makes him a design genius.
Everything that you say that he copied he copied in looks only, and he re-designed it to be a better operating firearm. Just look at all the guns that are 30, 40, 50, and 60 years old that are going strong today. There are too many gun writers and firearm experts, you know people that know what they are talking about, people that make a living in the firearms industry that have called him a "DESIGN GENIUS"
COPIER HE'S NOT, GENIUS HE WAS :roll:
Sorry, the concept was already done.
He may have tweeked ( Hey, I got your spell check right here! ) the design but he copied many guns. He copied Colt single action revolvers, the Ruger No.1 single shot is a copy of the farquharson rifle. the Red label shotgun is a copy of the browning superposed shotgun, the Mini 14 is a scaled down copy of a M-14, the Ruger 77 is a copy of the 98 Mauser. The 10/22 has a couple of interesting features like the rotary magazine and the way the barrel is attached to the receiver but the concept is a Browning design as is any semi-auto pistol with a reciprocating slide and tilting barrel. All of these made Bill Ruger a great engineer but a firearms genious he was not. The Ruger company has followed his legacy with their current offerings by ripping off Kel-Tec and Walther.
You must not have own Ruger stock very long. I bought RGR in the 80s. I only bought 10 shares as I just wanted to have the certificate to display when displaying my Ruger Collection. It split sometime in the 80s, 2 for 1, which made 20 shares. Then it split in 1993, 2 for 1, which made 40 shares. Then in 1996 it split again, 2 for 1, which gave me 80 shares. I only paid somewhere in the high 20s for the stock. Yes the new management is doing very well, and I hope we get another split. As for the family not doing a good job, that may be true, as Bill in his later years probably turned most of the operations over to his family. But when he was in good health and under control, well that's when my stock went up 8 times. Let's hope that the new management will do as well in the next 16 years as Bill Ruger did from 1980 to 1996. Let's see 80 shares times 8 equals 640 shares. I could live with that. 8).rugerguy said:as a stock holder I know what my stocks were doing when he and the family were in control, and look at them NOW...........hhhmmm.
mindustrial said:I still think ol' Bill put the loading gate on the wrong side...that's what happens when one lefty copies another.
Nh Rugerman said:mindustrial said:I still think ol' Bill put the loading gate on the wrong side...that's what happens when one lefty copies another.
I have heard and read your comment on numerous occasions but never quite understood the logic...if the loading gate was on the other side, you would have to load the rounds with your left hand instead of your right which is how it is designed....am I missing something? :? :?: :?
GammaRay said:I am looking for specific information here so I would like to stay on topic. That said, I am now searching for the best deal on R.L.Wilson's Ruger and His Guns. Hope to have the book in a week or so. Thanks again for the book sugestions.
Boge said:Many are unable to be objective in matters such as this, but I'll weigh in.
Most of J.M. Browning's design ONLY saw the light of day because they were "tweaked" by real engineers such as Wm. Mason & Tommy Johnson. FWIW, Wm. Mason designed the Colt SAA when he was at Colt. :wink:
Browning himself said that John Pedersen was the greatest gun designer of all time. 99.99% of people today don't even know who he was.
Was Bill Ruger a genius? Not as a gun designer IMO, but as a marketer and manufacturer he was Sam Colt II. :wink: