Aging an original vaquero

hawk0356

Bearcat
Joined
Nov 26, 2010
Messages
7
City & State/Province
New York
I think that guns with worn finishes have alot of character. Any body have experience in aging their blued guns? I would love to speed up the aging of the finish of my original vaquero. It would look so much beeter in my old west reproduction holster and belt.
Thanks in advance!
 
Welcome to the Forum.
Most of us prefer to keep our finishes original or in very good shape. So,, not many folks "age" them to give them a worn look. However,, I have heard of it being done,, I just can't recall how it was done.
 
A bit of "household" vinegar on a rag that's used to "wipe down" the "high spots" should result in some "wear marks"........
Don't forget to "rinse" your work with lots of water, a drying session and some oil.

Duh, and here I set with my age old habits that say "never, never put a scratch" or "worn spot" on MY GUNS! :D

flatgate
 
Some people are taking the bluing off of a New Vaquero, by using a naval jelly process. The gun then looks like a USFA Gunslinger. I have seen one and I liked it.
 
Maybe keep them holstered instead of in a case or rug. From time to time when you go to the range or on the trail, remove them and shoot them. There's where you'd get holster wear. Not something I'd do, but that would probably introduce some wear/aging. I do keep my carry/night stand stainless 3-1/16" SP-101 .357 in a Bianchi holster rather than a rug, or just lying in the drawer. But of course that won't cause "wear/aging". When it's not with me it's in the night stand.
 
As an Amazon Associate we earn from qualifying purchases. Product prices and availability are accurate as of the date/time indicated and are subject to change.
Here is a thread about one that I remember.

http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=36084

...Jimbo
 
Howdy

Generally speaking, most attempts to simulate an aged finish look just like that. A simulated aged finish. Put one up against a really old and beaten gun and it stands out like a sore thumb almost every time.

I have a lot of blued guns. Very few of them have I bought brand new. Most have some honest wear on the blue. I don't mind a bit of honest wear on a blued gun, I know it has been used and not sat in a drawer for most of its life.

Another thing that many shooters do not realize is that modern blues are much more robust than the blues done in the 19th Century. Ruger is second to none in this regard, their blue is very robust. But some of those old worn looking guns look that way because the blue was not very robust and wore right off. Modern blue protects against rust. Once it wears off and the bare steel is exposed, rust can begin. I had a Cimarron a few years ago blued with their bright charcoal blue. It was truly beautiful, a bright almost robins egg blue. But within one year, the blue was completely gone from the backstrap and it was battleship gray from corrosion.

The very best way to put some honest wear on a revolver is to draw it from leather and reholster it. A lot. Just riding in a holster the gun will not wear. It is when it slides past the leather that real wear happens. It doesn't hurt to shoot nothing but Black Powder through them either, and not clean them right away.

Here is one of my 2nd Gen Colts. I shoot it a lot in CAS. We are sometimes a little bit rough on our guns in CAS. We draw and holster them a whole bunch of times during a day. Probably much more than most shooters who show up at a range to shoot. And our guns tend to get banged around at the loading table and unloading table too. All of the wear on this Colt is honest wear that has happened in the course of shooting it in CAS for about five years. This gun is not particularly old, it was made in 1973. I have owned it for about five years now.

This shot shows the typical wear pattern on a cylinder. The front beveled edges of the cylinder and around the flutes have had the blue worn off of them. The blue has been blasted off the front face of the cylinder in circular patterns by the blast out of the barrel/cylinder gap. That is not lead, the blue is gone. The nasty pits toward the rear of the cylinder were already there when I bought the gun. The colors of the case hardening are fading, they were much brighter when I bought the gun. Simple exposure to sunlight over a long period will fade the colors of case hardening. So will harsh chemicals, but this gun has not been subjected to anything harsher than BP solvents, which are water based.

bluewearoncylinder.jpg


The blue is wearing off the rear of the backstrap. This is mostly from my sweaty hand.

bluewearongrip.jpg


There is just a little bit of wear on the tip of the ejector housing. This is caused when the gun slides in and out of the holster. The scratches are probably from tiny bits of grit imbedded in the leather. I have seen Rugers with the paint worn completely off the aluminum ejector housing, from drawing and reholstering.

bluewearonejectorhousing.jpg


The sides of the hammer are raw steel, they are not blued. Black Powder has done a pretty good job of staining it.

stainedhammer.jpg


Or you could buy a gun that somebody else stripped of all its finish, then shoot nothing but Black Powder in it for five years:

ColtShortie.jpg


If you really want to try to distress the finish of a new gun, here is my old pal Longshot Logan's webpage. Longshot perfected some pretty good techniques for making new guns look old. Unfortunately, Longshot passed away a few years ago, but his website is still active.

http://members.cox.net/longshot_logan/index.htm

Have fun!
 
Good thread. Some folks just can't help themselves with this topic by lecturing their view (opinion)--of whether, and not what--to do, when none of such was asked in the question. The first one out of the chute takes the very presumptive stance of "most of us" don't like... Well there are a lot "of us" that do. I'm one of them. I've got plenty with decent wear over 40+ years of shooting, but not only have these still "not gotten there," re the OP's (and often my) wished-for look, these days I don't get out nearly enough, and do not shoot the BP, etc, etc, to put enough of the right kind of "honest wear" to always give me the look I want in this short life,...and have taken to accelerating things a bit on some of my six shooters, to good effect. None of my Rugers done yet...my smith says though not impossible harder to get the "just right" effect as the unbderlying bare--in the white--Ruger steel is inherently shinier than some others, but one of these days will give one of my "old" Vaq's or NVs a go. But I've got a Cimarron Model P that the company did on this side of the pond for me right out of the box. Their regular factory (Uberti) "original" aged finish wasn't available in my desired .44 Sp in a current or immediately planned shipment from Uberti at the time. Their shop guy offered, through my regular store's ordering, to "age" a new blued/CCH gun they happened to have on the bench and were checking out for processing. Great effect--(my guess maybe with some of the vinegar formulas mentioned)--with a bit more realistic "life" sheen here and there than the duller factory jobs, and just a hint of remnant CCH. I'll post a pic here in a bit. I then had my smith custom fit a set of 3rd gen Colt eagles (black rubber), then "antiqued" them to match the overall finish. I challenge you to tell this thing from a 100 year old Colt from 6 inches. Then custom tuned by one of top Coltsmiths (same smith as above and that also does my Rugers), it's one of my favorite guns, a real fondler and accurate too.

So I know all the arguments against--many with their own "problems" (the biggest being the that "the original (Colts etc) guns weren't old when being used, they were once new too...well by yesterday's standards they often were aged rather quickly by actual field use/abuse, and the elements (most of the classic "old Colts" you see saw their aging in the first twenty years of use--then got put away in Grandpa's closet for the next 80) ,...unless you were a banker or storekeeper that never took it out of your office drawer,...there was BP, range holster wear, dust, dirt, rain, mud, grunge),

...But I digress, I really like these things when well done. Had a Rodeo done too. Sure looks better now than when new! Gets a lot more (favorable) comments too.

So some of you guys can get on your high horse--with your own personal and sometimes odd-in-their-own-way arguments--and immediately lecture that you don't like it or tell someone not to, when it's not what the OP asked, and it was clear they're not in your camp to begin with. Heck it'd be just like me telling a poster that's asked "where can I buy a new Ruger?" "Well, why do you want a new Ruger? That's ridiculous, you should get a used, beat up Ruger with some character." The OP's stated what he wants. If you don't agree, pass on it. Otherwise answer the question.
End of rant, but just sometimes (?) riles me.
 
Do you feel better now?

If you look at the bottom of my post, I did answer the question. Check out my old pard Longshot Logan's website. He gave some pretty complete instructions for making new guns look old. He has some pretty good photos of the results too.
 
gak; as the poster "out of the chute" so to speak,, I feel compelled to respond.
Yes,, I mentioned that most of us do not like worn examples of guns. It's because of many things.
First,, the poster is new here. While he may be an old hand around firearms,, I do not know that. Quite often we have new folks here who do not have a lifetime of gun handling experiences to fall back upon. I have seen way too many guns ruined by poor attempts at ageing,, or modification to count. No one wants a ruined firearm,, (including a current owner,) so my response was what I felt was a gentle way to give the poster something to think about. I did mention I had heard of it being done,, and left the door open for those folks who have done it to answer. I do not have the experience to age a firearm as it was asked for. I always try to refer to others who have more experience when I don't know the answers.
Remember,, we are ALL only temporary owners of these fine pieces of machinery. Future owners may not appreciate our prefferences. I like to think that in the future,, someone will say,, "Whoever owner this gun took real good care of it." rather than, "Gosh,, look at how beat up this fine old gun is. I wish it was in better shape and I'd pay ya more for it."
Yes,, it's my opinion,, and yes,, I stand by it,,! I was only thinking that the poster MIGHT be a newbie to firearms. I hope to help prevent the ruination of a good gun.
I didn't realize I was on a high horse,, but I'll dismount.
 
I used bluing remover on a Sauer revolver, and the the naval jelly process on a replica Dragoon and a replica 1860. Put naval jelly on and quickly wipe it off, followed by a hot water bath and re-oiling. Beat the grips with a brass brush in a drill. Looks OK. If you are quick in wiping it off, some bluing will remain in sheltered areas.
 
contender said:
gak; as the poster "out of the chute" so to speak,, I feel compelled to respond.
Yes,, I mentioned that most of us do not like worn examples of guns. It's because of many things.
First,, the poster is new here. While he may be an old hand around firearms,, I do not know that. Quite often we have new folks here who do not have a lifetime of gun handling experiences to fall back upon. I have seen way too many guns ruined by poor attempts at ageing,, or modification to count. No one wants a ruined firearm,, (including a current owner,) so my response was what I felt was a gentle way to give the poster something to think about. I did mention I had heard of it being done,, and left the door open for those folks who have done it to answer. I do not have the experience to age a firearm as it was asked for. I always try to refer to others who have more experience when I don't know the answers.
Remember,, we are ALL only temporary owners of these fine pieces of machinery. Future owners may not appreciate our prefferences. I like to think that in the future,, someone will say,, "Whoever owner this gun took real good care of it." rather than, "Gosh,, look at how beat up this fine old gun is. I wish it was in better shape and I'd pay ya more for it."
Yes,, it's my opinion,, and yes,, I stand by it,,! I was only thinking that the poster MIGHT be a newbie to firearms. I hope to help prevent the ruination of a good gun.
I didn't realize I was on a high horse,, but I'll dismount.


Contender, good response and I know comes from a learned perspective. I was responding/"concerned" from the point of view that we've all got different ideas/preferences, and the OP indicated a certain desired end state,... And yes, while he/she may be a newbie, I thought it presumptive--and moot--to assume so unless otherwise indicted. (You can argue the opposite and I understand that)
The question wasn't, I thought, quite like "I've got a .22 Single Six, how do I make it into a .454?" But, you too make some good points; and it isn't a done-deal that a particular antiquing job is going to be "professionally" executed to nice effect. Also, ninety-five percent of my firearms are either like new, great condition or modest-but-honest wear and will likely remain that way. However, with something like a Rodeo, Ruger Vaq/NV or Cimarron, while all fine firearms, are not generally such heirloom investments or otherwise rare pieces such that, a few times in one's lifetime, you can't have a little fun to your liking with them. They did not cost nothing, however, and I am not made of money, so I definitely pick and choose carefully and infrequently. A few pieces (I don't have) like the Cimarron 1851 and 1873 "Man With No Name" guns just beg to be "messed up" IMO--either via the factory aged finish or after-the-fact, but hey that's me!

All that said, I appreciate your response and too dismount. As said, I'll post a few pics soon (when I find them!) of my few examples and hope you and others will enjoy-and weigh in as to how effective (or not) in your view(s).
 
It doesn't hurt to shoot nothing but Black Powder through them either, and not clean them right away.

How soon is "not right away"? I'd be real careful of that one. I bought a stainless Old Army from a guy. He forgot to clean it after one session and put it away only to discover it pitted when he looked at it again.

It took some real work with sandpaper and polishing to get rid of the pits.
 
caryc said:
It doesn't hurt to shoot nothing but Black Powder through them either, and not clean them right away.

How soon is "not right away"? I'd be real careful of that one. I bought a stainless Old Army from a guy. He forgot to clean it after one session and put it away only to discover it pitted when he looked at it again.

It took some real work with sandpaper and polishing to get rid of the pits.

Appearance aside, that kind of stunt can ruin the bore. Some "real work with sandpaper" ain't gonna fix that! Black powder or Pyrodex residue is VERY corrosive.
 
wwb said:
caryc said:
It doesn't hurt to shoot nothing but Black Powder through them either, and not clean them right away.

How soon is "not right away"? I'd be real careful of that one. I bought a stainless Old Army from a guy. He forgot to clean it after one session and put it away only to discover it pitted when he looked at it again.

It took some real work with sandpaper and polishing to get rid of the pits.

Appearance aside, that kind of stunt can ruin the bore. Some "real work with sandpaper" ain't gonna fix that! Black powder or Pyrodex residue is VERY corrosive.

Believe it or not, the bore in the gun was not pitted. Maybe he got as far as cleaning the bore and then got side tracked. He didn't really remember himself. I will always recommend cleaning right after shooting with black powder.
 
Appearance aside, that kind of stunt can ruin the bore. Some "real work with sandpaper" ain't gonna fix that! Black powder or Pyrodex residue is VERY corrosive.

Howdy Again

Since I made the statement about not cleaning up after Black Powder right away, allow me to explain.

I go through close to twenty pounds of Black Powder every year in CAS, and I think I can speak with a little bit of authority on the subject.

I cannot speak for Pyrodex, but fouling or residue from real Black Powder is nowhere near as corrosive as most people think. It was the combination of corrosive primers and Black Powder fouling that did most of the damage in the past. We no longer use corrosive primers, and with modern non-corrosive primers fouling from real Black Powder is much less corrosive than most people think. Take a look next time you are in a museum that has antique firearms. Look closely at the lock on a flintlock rifle vs a percussion rifle. The percussion rifle will usually exhibit pitting and corrosion near the nipple. The flinter usually will not show any corrosion around the pan. That is because it was the corrosive caps combined with the BP fouling that did the damage. Just flint and BP fouling was not so bad.

I shoot nothing but Black Powder in CAS. Two or three times a week, in two revolvers, a shotgun and a lever gun. I only use real Black Powder, mostly Schuetzen FFg these days, but I have used Goex and Elephant in the past. Like I said, close to twenty pounds a year. I never clean my guns the same day, just too tired when I get home. I try to clean them within the same week. I am too embarrassed to tell you how long I have gone sometimes. Let's just say it was a bit more than a week. Using a really good water based BP solvent, and following up with a good coating of Ballistol, both inside and outside the guns I have no problems with corrosion. Both of those revolvers you are looking at in my earlier post have been shot this way for years. And I am talking about blued carbon steel, not Stainless.

One thing that folks who do not regularly shoot Black Powder don't understand is that if infused with oil, the fouling becomes totally harmless and will not cause any rust. That is because the hygroscopic nature of BP fouling is defeated if you soak it in oil. It cannot absorb any moisture from the air. So after I clean my guns with a water based solvent, I squirt some Ballistol down inside and am sure to get plenty of it in the lockwork. I take them apart once a year to clean out all the oily, black gunk down inside. There is always plenty of oily black gunk. There is never any rust.

Yes, if I cleaned up a little bit sooner I would have prevented the patina on the short barreled Colt, but I specifically wanted it to take on a brown patina, so I allow it to mellow a bit every time I shoot it.

I have read that Pyrodex is more corrosive than real Black Powder, but I have no experience with it, so I cannot state anything factual about that. But I go through a lot of real Black Powder every year, have been doing so for a number of years, and I can tell you that the stuff is nowhere near as corrosive as most people think.
 
A lot of oil is probably your saving grace.

I can tell you for a fact that black powder residue, if combined with moisture (humidity will do), is VERY corrosive.

One of the major constituents of BP residue is sulfur dioxide... add water and you get sulfuric acid.
 
So you are saying that if I put my guns away uncleaned, before I have soaked them in oil, during the hot humid summer, I will get lots of rust?

Sorry, as I said before, I do it all the time. BP fouling is just not as corrosive as most people think.
 
So in other words, all the folks that bring the rusted to death muzzleloaders in the shop were lying when they said it had only been 2 or 3 days since they fired it. :)
 
Can't speak about what other unknown guys do to keep their shooters from rusting. I can only report my experience, twenty pounds of BP a year for the last five years or so. It works for me, and lots of other Cowboy shooters.
 
contender said:
gak; as the poster "out of the chute" so to speak,, I feel compelled to respond.
Yes,, I mentioned that most of us do not like worn examples of guns. It's because of many things.
First,, the poster is new here. While he may be an old hand around firearms,, I do not know that. Quite often we have new folks here who do not have a lifetime of gun handling experiences to fall back upon. I have seen way too many guns ruined by poor attempts at ageing,, or modification to count. No one wants a ruined firearm,, (including a current owner,) so my response was what I felt was a gentle way to give the poster something to think about. I did mention I had heard of it being done,, and left the door open for those folks who have done it to answer. I do not have the experience to age a firearm as it was asked for. I always try to refer to others who have more experience when I don't know the answers.
Remember,, we are ALL only temporary owners of these fine pieces of machinery. Future owners may not appreciate our prefferences. I like to think that in the future,, someone will say,, "Whoever owner this gun took real good care of it." rather than, "Gosh,, look at how beat up this fine old gun is. I wish it was in better shape and I'd pay ya more for it."
Yes,, it's my opinion,, and yes,, I stand by it,,! I was only thinking that the poster MIGHT be a newbie to firearms. I hope to help prevent the ruination of a good gun.
I didn't realize I was on a high horse,, but I'll dismount.

Contender!!! You never have to apologize for trying to keep a firearm in the best shape possible. After all, Ruger pays people to polish and blue and make the gun look nice. If most people didn't like them that way then they would be shipped out of the factory with no polish or blueing on them. If people think that you are on your high horse because of this, then thats OK. After all John Wayne rode "high in the saddle". And if you took a look at his blued engraved pair of Colt Single Actions that he carried in the "Shootist", they were not beat up at all. They were beautiful. :lol: :lol:
 
I sincerely appreciate everyone's response and certainly did not intend to start a controversy. I would believe that most of us do not carry our firearms on a daily basis and exposed to the elements long enought that would lead to that look of unique character. As a LEO I can say that with the wonder finishes on many modern firearms, even honest holster wear is becoming a thing of the past. This observation is made when I was fored to carry a Glock as opposed to my blued steel Colt 1911 that I can carry now. I have been around firearms for over 30 years and have bought and sold guns as my taste changed and therefore for the most part never had one long enough to equate to grandpa's old Colt. My first Vaquero and Redhawk have been in my stable the longest. I now have three original vaqueros and still have the 44 Redhawk that I shot my first deer with In the end, I have an affinity for the history of the old west and am just looking to have one single action to look the part. Thank you all for your contributions and I will research all options. Wishing all a safe and Happy New Year.
 
There is no controversary. gak & myself just have a healthy difference of opinion and thoughts. As it's always noted around here,, it's sometimes hard to convey what we think while we type. If you notice,, gak came back after my second post and discussed it very well. We both have our views on things WITHOUT any issues between us.
And to the original poster,, hawk0356,, you explained things a little better & now I understand a bit more. First, my son is LEO,, and I want to thank you for your service to our community. I can appreciate your desires to have a worn looking example of a firearm to look the part of the old west. I just hate to see a good firearm ruined by homebrew jobs of ageing to where it gets ruined, vs an honest wear,, or a professional ageing job. In my original post,, I was thinking of a SASS shooter who has a pair of 3rd gen Colts. He wanted them to look aged. Well, whatever he did,,, he ruined them. Now,, no matter what he does,, they seem to keep a freckling of rust. He has mentioned selling them,, but no one wants to buy them. Then,, I was at a customers house several months ago,, and was privilaged to handle a first gen Colt SAA. It was not refinished,, and was in an honest 92%-95% condition. I actually picked it up thinking it was a third gen due to it's condition. The owner said it had been in the family since it was new. It looked it too. I haven't seen many first gen SAA's in that condition outside a museum. I hate to think of what that family heirloom is worth. So,, when I see new folks post questions,, I do tend to try & gently point them in a direction so as to not get a fine firearm ruined.
So,, if ageing a firearm is what you desire,, by all means,, it's your gun,, go for it.
 
street said:
.... After all John Wayne rode "high in the saddle". And if you took a look at his blued engraved pair of Colt Single Actions that he carried in the "Shootist", they were not beat up at all. They were beautiful. :lol: :lol:

For the record, they were not Colt Single Actions. They were a pair of engraved Great Westerns that Great Western presented to him and now reside in the Cowboy Hall Of Fame in Oklahoma City. They are beautiful guns.
 
hawk0356 said:
I think that guns with worn finishes have alot of character. Any body have experience in aging their blued guns? I would love to speed up the aging of the finish of my original vaquero.

I don't know if it would work on a blued Vaquero but check out what "Stumpbuster" did with his USFA Rodeo by using a bit of J&B Bore Paste and some lead removal cloth.

http://forum.usfirearms.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=201&SearchTerms=antiqued,rodeo
 
w5lx said:
street said:
.... After all John Wayne rode "high in the saddle". And if you took a look at his blued engraved pair of Colt Single Actions that he carried in the "Shootist", they were not beat up at all. They were beautiful. :lol: :lol:

For the record, they were not Colt Single Actions. They were a pair of engraved Great Westerns that Great Western presented to him and now reside in the Cowboy Hall Of Fame in Oklahoma City. They are beautiful guns.

Thanks for the info, I didn't know that they were Great Western, just assumed they were Colts. Doesn't really matter though, they were portrayed on the big screen as Colts, and as guns with all of their blueing being in tack and not guns with "character", you know guns that are "rode hard and put up wet". :lol: :lol:
 
well for starters, some scary info above.....yikes,Naval jelly is for "removing rust" and being that bluing is actually "controlled oxidation", you can and will take it off, NOT cause it to "wear" in any normal procss of handling, and aging...that takes "time".....as for the original question, his "Vaquero" has one of the "coated , or inked color process, NOT a "color case hardened" finish that a Colt or Great Western of any of the Italian replicas use.....these take a LOT of 'rubbing, use , to burnish and wear, " a fitting , or normal aging"....we have seen and done some ourselves using just plain burlap.....any leather holster will do the same thing, if the gun goes in and out enough times....hell, leather will round off edges and corners, slick as snot on a doorknob, again, "in time and with usage....."
careful, once you remove any of these finishes you are exposing the guns "bare" metal to the elements, and possibly rust ,beyond a "nice" patina, but into a full fledged "pitting', it does NOT take long at all, so please be careful...........
back to the 'naval jelly' last couple we saw a "few" SASS guys do, stripped it all off, wipe real quickly or then tried to 'cold blue, plum brown, etc, and as Ty commented, they do "indeed look like crap......."
So put on a "true" leather holster, rough inside, NOT treated or suede lined, no oil on the gun, and practice quick draws as you watch old cowboy movies, fan the action, wipe off briskly with a piece of 'burlap' and repeat the process, you may get "close"your "look"....( PS make sure the gun is unloaded first.....) and NO "Vaqueros", do not quite come out looking like an old Colt ,Great Western or any of the other "clones" with its different finish and materials.......hard to replace Mother Nature and Father time....... :wink:

(street, I get to 'redo' the ones that were "rode hard and put away wet..")
8)
 
Back
Top