140 gummie tip load for 357 mag

[jadek44]

Hi. Looking for load info for the Hornady 140 Leverevolution? slugs. I have a Hogden? manual and it lists a bunch of powders but not HP38. I have no other pistol powders. I have a lot of it (at least 8 full and one I'm working on to load 9,45acp and 38 special as well as 357 mag. Bro in law gave me a half a box so buying another powder would be a waste of money as I have developed some great loads with the HP38 for my guns. Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving. Stash P.S. I plan on only using them in my new model Blackhawk.

 

[Jimbo357mag]

You can shoot those bullets at 'sport' velocities with HP-38 but they are designed for performance velocities. You could probably use 158gr bullet data (just a guess) but you will have to compare how much of the bullet goes into the case.

edit (This bullet and data is very much different. Call Hodgdon for a safe load with them.)

http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol

 

[jadek44]

Thanks JMag Sir. My powder meter is set at 5.7 of HP38. I think I'll start there. I know that the solids use less powder than lead core. Thanks again. Stash

 

[Clovishound]

Extrapolating from data from other types of bullets can be problematical. I would call Hogdgon and see what they say. I'm looking at the data for FTX and XTP 140 grain bullets and see the differences are all over the map, depending on the powder.

You may need to let go of a little money and get a bottle of powder that is suited to this bullet. There are often good reasons why certain powders are not listed for certain applications.

 

[mikld]

There's data here for 140 gr bullets, jacketed and plated with HP38; http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol I'd begin at the starting load for the 140 XTP. Guessing can get you in trouble so adjust your powder measure for the starting load...

 

[Jimbo357mag]

There's data here for 140 gr bullets, jacketed and plated with HP38; http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol I'd begin at the starting load for the 140 XTP. Guessing can get you in trouble so adjust your powder measure for the starting load...

Those flex tip bullets seat deeper than ordinary bullets and the loading data is much different. That is one reason I suggested 158gr data. Even that is off though. I would definitely call Hodgdon or load no more than 6.0 grain of HP-38, start with 5.0gr maybe.

When you look at 140gr FTX bullets and Universal you can see the wide difference between them and regular XTP bullets. Scarry!!!!

The Max load for 140 FTX bullet with Universal is 5.3 grains. (which is usually close to HP-38)

The Max load for 140 XTP bullet with Universal is 7.0 grains.

The Max load for 158 XTP bullet with Universal is 6.3 grains.

 

[jadek44]

I just noticed I put the WRONG grain count. I use FOUR POINT SEVEN grains. Senior moment or brain phart, your call. FYI I did email BOTH Hornady and Hodgen and got no response. My 4.7 should be a safe starter.. Again, thanks for the assistance and advice.............. Stash

 

[mikld]

There's data here for 140 gr bullets, jacketed and plated with HP38; http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol I'd begin at the starting load for the 140 XTP. Guessing can get you in trouble so adjust your powder measure for the starting load...

Those flex tip bullets seat deeper than ordinary bullets and the loading data is much different. That is one reason I suggested 158gr data. Even that is off though. I would definitely call Hodgdon or load no more than 6.0 grain of HP-38, start with 5.0gr maybe.

When you look at 140gr FTX bullets and Universal you can see the wide difference between them and regular XTP bullets. Scarry!!!!

The Max load for 140 FTX bullet with Universal is 5.3 grains. (which is usually close to HP-38)

The Max load for 140 XTP bullet with Universal is 7.0 grains.

The Max load for 158 XTP bullet with Universal is 6.3 grains.

As with any revolver reloads, just seat to the cannalure and the round will be safe (perhaps safer than going with data for a bullet 18 grains heavier). The bullet is intended for a revolver round, even though it is used in lever actions or tube magazine guns and the cannalure is placed accordingly. For a newer reloader "close enough" powder speeds, or "close enough" bullet weights aren't...

 

[Jimbo357mag]

There's data here for 140 gr bullets, jacketed and plated with HP38; http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol I'd begin at the starting load for the 140 XTP. Guessing can get you in trouble so adjust your powder measure for the starting load...

As with any revolver reloads, just seat to the cannalure and the round will be safe (perhaps safer than going with data for a bullet 18 grains heavier). The bullet is intended for a revolver round, even though it is used in lever actions or tube magazine guns and the cannalure is placed accordingly. For a newer reloader "close enough" powder speeds, or "close enough" bullet weights aren't...

...not when the data is missing and the bullets are so different.
There is no data for 140gr FTX bullets and HP_38.
Data for the 140gr XTP is not safe to use for the 140gr FTX.

Just look at some of the other powders where there is data listed for both 140gr FTX and 140gr XTP bullets and you will see what I mean. I showed you Universal, now look at HS-6 or 700-X for both bullets. There is a world of difference between FTX data and XTP data.

 

[mikld]

There's data here for 140 gr bullets, jacketed and plated with HP38; http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/pistol I'd begin at the starting load for the 140 XTP. Guessing can get you in trouble so adjust your powder measure for the starting load...

As with any revolver reloads, just seat to the cannalure and the round will be safe (perhaps safer than going with data for a bullet 18 grains heavier). The bullet is intended for a revolver round, even though it is used in lever actions or tube magazine guns and the cannalure is placed accordingly. For a newer reloader "close enough" powder speeds, or "close enough" bullet weights aren't...

...not when the data is missing and the bullets are so different.
There is no data for 140gr FTX bullets and HP_38.
Data for the 140gr XTP is not safe to use for the 140gr FTX.

Just look at some of the other powders where there is data listed for both 140gr FTX and 140gr XTP bullets and you will see what I mean. I showed you Universal, now look at HS-6 or 700-X for both bullets. There is a world of difference between FTX data and XTP data.

Well I totally disagree with the above post. No sense in arguing on a forum as I'm not gonna change my mind and I bow to the gentleman with 14,000+ posts. I have safely reloaded since I started in 1969 with a Lee loader and would never use data for a 158 gr. bullet for reloading a 140 bullet of any construction. Yep the bullets are different, that's what the whole thread is about; a newer reloader got some components and cannot find a load for them. M last word is for any newer reloader; find a load (bullet, primer, powder) before you buy any components...

 

[Jimbo357mag]

We are all just trying to help each other out. In this case it is for a good starting load and a reasonable Max load. Sometimes we don't see eye to eye but we are always interested in safety.

 

[mikld]

My aim is to keep new reloaders out of trouble, and present a simpler way to start. If I knew the OP, I'd tell him to put those bullets on the shelf and give him some more appropriate bullets. Then with experience gained (however long that takes) he could find a load that will safely work for the bullets of choice...

A lot of times a new reloader will ask a question on a forum and the answers, mainly from advanced reloaders with years (decades) of reloading experience, will often be so "advanced" and lots of "theory" that the new feller get inundated with info and becomes confused! That's why my first message to a new reloader is K.I.S.S. When I was working with Auto Electrician Apprentices I emphasized K.I.S.S. and taught basic DC power first rather than go into electronic theory...