1911 45 acp

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I have been a dedicated revolver shooter Al of my life. I own everything from NAA 22 lr to BFR 475 linebaugh. I have settled on the 44 special in a Ruger Nm flattop as my all time favorite.

I am now ready to try a 1911 45 acp and give it a fair chance. I called a trusted friend and asked advice on what manufacturer to look to for an all steel 5” model. H his text was only one word, “RUGER”. So it begins.
 
I have been a dedicated revolver shooter Al of my life. I own everything from NAA 22 lr to BFR 475 linebaugh. I have settled on the 44 special in a Ruger Nm flattop as my all time favorite.

I am now ready to try a 1911 45 acp and give it a fair chance. I called a trusted friend and asked advice on what manufacturer to look to for an all steel 5" model. H his text was only one word, "RUGER". So it begins.
Your friend was spot on.

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I have the target and love it.
 
I have been a dedicated revolver shooter Al of my life. I own everything from NAA 22 lr to BFR 475 linebaugh. I have settled on the 44 special in a Ruger Nm flattop as my all time favorite.

I am now ready to try a 1911 45 acp and give it a fair chance. I called a trusted friend and asked advice on what manufacturer to look to for an all steel 5" model. H his text was only one word, "RUGER". So it begins.
There's hundreds of different models, by hundreds of different makers, available from $300 to $5,000 and more. They all shoot the same ammo. How much are you willing to spend to "try one out"?
 
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I've about had 'em all...But before I'd be inclined to offer a recommendation, you'll first have to define "try a 1911 45 acp and give it a fair chance."......because frankly, I have no idea what that might mean.

DGW
 
I've about had 'em all...But before I'd be inclined to offer a recommendation, you'll first have to define "try a 1911 45 acp and give it a fair chance."......because frankly, I have no idea what that might mean.

DGW

Which is why I asked what he's willing to spend. Which is correlated to the intended use. Combat, plinking, competition, show piece, etc. Kinda like picking a wife. Farm girl who can cook, and not afraid to get her hands dirty, or demanding and expensive trophy wife, or something in between. ;)
 
I have several from as issued to custom...it is my favorite pistol....I usually stick to made in USA 1911's and parts and stay away from the imports. However, I did recently purchase a Rock Island Arms MS. It is currently at a smith having a beavertail fit (I don't have the jig or access to the needed machinery anymore or I would do it myself). I've heard some good stuff about the Turkish 1911's and compared it side by side with the RIA.....I went with the RIA....I'm sentimental about the 1911 AND the Philippines ;)
 
There are numerous factors to consider; what are you using it for, do you want adjustable sights, original "GI" style fixed sights, updated (better, easier sight picture) fixed sights, etc. What are you going to be using if for? Target, IPSC type competition, casual plinking/shooting, self defense, CCW, alos etc.
In the past 50+ years of shooting, I have owned over 40 different 1911 platform pistols. My choices today would be a 1950's vintage Colt Government model, original Colt Series 70, Springfield Armory and Ruger. Ruger last because I have a great dislike for stainless steel firearms. If I was mostly going to do target type shooting, a Colt Series 70 Gold Cup. I still own my first Series 70, purchased new in 1978. It has had thousands of rounds through it, shoots better than I can shoot it and has had one part failure since new, a slide stop. The little nub that the magazine follower pushes up against to lock the slide back after the last round in the magazine, broke off. The gun would still function, and ended up shooting another 200 rounds at the match I was at when it broke.
 
Well it won’t actually be my first auto. Not even my first 1911. In my 20’s I briefly had a llama that I couldn’t hit a barn with. Then then there was the constant FTF situation. I did not know how to address either issue, so I traded it off for a Ruger security six. I have some “plastic 9’s” that work every time I pull the trigger, but I don’t have warm and fuzzy feelings for them. I prefer an all steel gun with a 41+ size bore.

I intend to shoot this one a lot and learn about the design and how to shoot it accurately. Then it may accompany me on my morning walks, woods prowling, atv rides around the property or even as my hip gun during hunting season. In those scenarios it may be called upon to protect me from meth heads and feral dogs or possible dispatch a snake or trapped hog. We have pig traps and I normally dispatch with a 22 lr or 22 magnum, but I always have a larger gun with me.

I don’t plan to start off out the gate with trying to hunt with it but it may get that opportunity as well. I hunt from the ground and have blinds set up on my hunting properties for close range shooting opportunities. They are great for archery hunting or open sighted 44 specials! I don’t doubt that a well placed shot from the old warhorse would perform there as well.

Oh, and as for price, I want to keep it below $1000. I have recently sold off some shotguns that I no longer wanted so I could find other things. A 1911 45 ACP falls into that category but most of that cash goes for powder and primer.

Thanks to all
 
Well it won't actually be my first auto. Not even my first 1911. In my 20's I briefly had a llama that I couldn't hit a barn with. Then then there was the constant FTF situation. I did not know how to address either issue, so I traded it off for a Ruger security six. I have some "plastic 9's" that work every time I pull the trigger, but I don't have warm and fuzzy feelings for them. I prefer an all steel gun with a 41+ size bore.

I intend to shoot this one a lot and learn about the design and how to shoot it accurately. Then it may accompany me on my morning walks, woods prowling, atv rides around the property or even as my hip gun during hunting season. In those scenarios it may be called upon to protect me from meth heads and feral dogs or possible dispatch a snake or trapped hog. We have pig traps and I normally dispatch with a 22 lr or 22 magnum, but I always have a larger gun with me.

I don't plan to start off out the gate with trying to hunt with it but it may get that opportunity as well. I hunt from the ground and have blinds set up on my hunting properties for close range shooting opportunities. They are great for archery hunting or open sighted 44 specials! I don't doubt that a well placed shot from the old warhorse would perform there as well.

Oh, and as for price, I want to keep it below $1000. I have recently sold off some shotguns that I no longer wanted so I could find other things. A 1911 45 ACP falls into that category but most of that cash goes for powder and primer.

Thanks to all

I'd save some of that $$ for a couple or 3 aftermarket mags. The factory mags that usually come with 1911's at or below your price point are unreliable at best. Wilson Combat makes some excellent 8rd stainless mags that I use, which alleviated feeding problems with my 1911's. You should also expect to have a 200rnd+ break-in period although that's not carved in stone, nor is it specific to any given manufacturers or models. You'll also want to decide if you want series 70 or series 80 internals. Lot's of discussions and preferences associated with that. :)

PS: Have you given any thought to a carry rig? It's a heavy gun, and from what you mention about hunting I'd suggest a good chest carry. Take a look at what Diamond D offers for chest/shoulder, etc.

https://www.diamonddcustomleather.com/
 
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I only learned about the 70/80 situation about a week ago. So I have done some research. I should have just found a gun and started shooting. I am more confused now than ever! Haha.

I have a field bag that hangs across the body and lands at the hip. It has a spot for concealed carry. My 5 12” and 4 5/8” Blackhawks fit perfectly and it is surprisingly quick access. I always wear it in the woods. It carry’s 1st aid, water bottle, extra ammo, phone. I love a chest holster as well and will probably end up with one.
 
I only learned about the 70/80 situation about a week ago. So I have done some research. I should have just found a gun and started shooting. I am more confused now than ever! Haha.

I have a field bag that hangs across the body and lands at the hip. It has a spot for concealed carry. My 5 12" and 4 5/8" Blackhawks fit perfectly and it is surprisingly quick access. I always wear it in the woods. It carry's 1st aid, water bottle, extra ammo, phone. I love a chest holster as well and will probably end up with one.

Got range near you that has rentals? That's the best way to find out which you like. All mine are 70's. Better trigger, imho. Confusion is not uncommon with the 1911 platform. It's the most copied, modified, customized, and tweaked semi-auto in existence. Even double stack versions are out there in other calibers than .45.

Trouble is they're like potato chips - you can't eat just one. 😁

Btw, it sounds like you reload so you may not be interested in factory ammo, but if you are Underwood has some 255grn +P hardcast flat nose that are great for hard to kill critters like hogs.

https://underwoodammo.com/shop-ammo...=1&Cartridge[]=.45+ACP++P&Cartridge[]=.45+ACP
 
"Trouble is they're like potato chips - you can't eat just one. 😁"

Ain't that the truth. I have a few 1911s. Two have been worked over by the late F. Bob Chow. He's famous as a 1911 gunsmith who built target and combat style 1911. His target guns were in direct competition with the Pachmayr gun shop for 1911 based target pistols. I knew the old man personally from way back when. He built my first 1911 back when I was 22 years old. I've since had another built plus I found another 1911 that may be their work, a Caspian frame and Colt Gold Cup slide. The gun is very accurate running two in wadcutter groups at 50 yards using a friend's Ransome rest.
The 1911 number four is actually a Colt Combat Commander and is my usual CCW piece. That one is strictly stock except whoever had it before me had a trigger job done. Not bad but not as good as on the "Chow" guns. Just fine for CCW though. The only work I've done on it was replace that useless grip safety that allows the slide to eat holes in the web of my hand with a beavertail type. and polish the feed ramp and throat of the gun. I've thought of replacing the sights with better ones but as most of the time I shoot it by sighting over the gun (hard to explain) when shooting defensive practice rounds rather than trying to use the small sights, I just haven't bothered doing a replacement.


Om magazines, I use 8 round Wilsons in all the guns including the Commander. When carrying the Commander, it's the 8 round Wilson with two 10 round Wilsons for back up. There's also an S&W M60 .38 Spl. in a pocket as a bug.
Paul B.
 
I have been a dedicated revolver shooter Al of my life. I own everything from NAA 22 lr to BFR 475 linebaugh. I have settled on the 44 special in a Ruger Nm flattop as my all time favorite.

I am now ready to try a 1911 45 acp and give it a fair chance. I called a trusted friend and asked advice on what manufacturer to look to for an all steel 5" model. H his text was only one word, "RUGER". So it begins.

I bought my Ruger when they first came out. I’ve been very happy with it.


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I have been a dedicated revolver shooter Al of my life. I own everything from NAA 22 lr to BFR 475 linebaugh. I have settled on the 44 special in a Ruger Nm flattop as my all time favorite.

I am now ready to try a 1911 45 acp and give it a fair chance. I called a trusted friend and asked advice on what manufacturer to look to for an all steel 5" model. H his text was only one word, "RUGER". So it begins.
I have always been a Colt man until they started using cast parts. It's also the reason I would not by a Ruger either. Admittedly there are traditional cast parts and there are MIM cast parts. I know Colt scaled back on the MIM cast parts because of early failures so they started mixing the parts using forged on high stress parts. I have heard that Ruger is replacing its traditional cast parts with more and more MIM parts. Hopefully and probably Ruger MIM will be better parts.

I admit that if "traditional" cast parts are made thicker, heavier, and are adequately hard they can last a long time. Of course overstressing a cast part will result in failure far sooner than a high quality heat treated forged part. A cast part is hard all the way through and they have porosity, (polite word for air holes). The forged part can be made hard on the outside and softer on the inside giving it flexibility.

Forged parts can be made hard on the outside and softer on the inside resulting in the forged part being able to take tremendous shock and still not shatter. This was known for thousands of years back in antiquity when making swords. There was a reason ancient swordsmiths never made and used cast swords.

I would not trade my "original" all forged Colts for every cast 1911 on the planet.

Having said all that I will state that if the 1911 had never been the standard issue U.S. Service Pistol today it would not even be much more than a footnote in history. Its history is what keeps its sales going on, not any real advantaged over modern pistols that are often lighter, smaller, feed better, are just as accurate, and have higher capacity and are just as durable and often cost less.

Myths die hard as well as people think the .45 acp is the superior stopping round as compared to the 9x19 and this has proven with modern bullets not to be true at all. In actuality the .45 acp is inferior as it has less penetration, less capacity, more recoil, a more loping trajectory, less comfortable to carry, less concealable, ammo more costly, less reliable with expanding bullets and people generally shoot the .45 acp less accurately because of its higher recoil. Recovery time between shots is less as well. These numerous reasons are why the 9x19 was and still is the most popular law enforcement and military caliber in the world.

I have used the 9x19 out of a short barreled Glock on an 180 lb Deer and it killed it with one shot. That is a real life experience as compared to gun rag propaganda by blow hard gun writers.

I use my 1911's for occasional range fun but a high capacity 9x19 is my carry gun and home defense gun.

If you do not own a 1911 buy one for nostalgia. I would search around for an "original" forged Colt in good condition. When you show up at the range you will get oohs and ahhs with an original Colt. The cast guns of any brand will not receive even a second glance because knowledgeable 1911 owners know the difference between the original and modern made 1911 pistols.
 
I have always been a Colt man until they started using cast parts. It's also the reason I would not by a Ruger either. Admittedly there are traditional cast parts and there are MIM cast parts. I know Colt scaled back on the MIM cast parts because of early failures so they started mixing the parts using forged on high stress parts. I have heard that Ruger is replacing its traditional cast parts with more and more MIM parts. Hopefully and probably Ruger MIM will be better parts.

I admit that if "traditional" cast parts are made thicker, heavier, and are adequately hard they can last a long time. Of course overstressing a cast part will result in failure far sooner than a high quality heat treated forged part. A cast part is hard all the way through and they have porosity, (polite word for air holes). The forged part can be made hard on the outside and softer on the inside giving it flexibility.

Forged parts can be made hard on the outside and softer on the inside resulting in the forged part being able to take tremendous shock and still not shatter. This was known for thousands of years back in antiquity when making swords. There was a reason ancient swordsmiths never made and used cast swords.

I would not trade my "original" all forged Colts for every cast 1911 on the planet.

Having said all that I will state that if the 1911 had never been the standard issue U.S. Service Pistol today it would not even be much more than a footnote in history. Its history is what keeps its sales going on, not any real advantaged over modern pistols that are often lighter, smaller, feed better, are just as accurate, and have higher capacity and are just as durable and often cost less.

Myths die hard as well as people think the .45 acp is the superior stopping round as compared to the 9x19 and this has proven with modern bullets not to be true at all. In actuality the .45 acp is inferior as it has less penetration, less capacity, more recoil, a more loping trajectory, less comfortable to carry, less concealable, ammo more costly, less reliable with expanding bullets and people generally shoot the .45 acp less accurately because of its higher recoil. Recovery time between shots is less as well. These numerous reasons are why the 9x19 was and still is the most popular law enforcement and military caliber in the world.

I have used the 9x19 out of a short barreled Glock on an 180 lb Deer and it killed it with one shot. That is a real life experience as compared to gun rag propaganda by blow hard gun writers.

I use my 1911's for occasional range fun but a high capacity 9x19 is my carry gun and home defense gun.

If you do not own a 1911 buy one for nostalgia. I would search around for an "original" forged Colt in good condition. When you show up at the range you will get oohs and ahhs with an original Colt. The cast guns of any brand will not receive even a second glance because knowledgeable 1911 owners know the difference between the original and modern made 1911 pistols.
The history of weaponry is the history of mankind. Technology marches on, but history remains. It's why I have 1911's and a few antique arms going back to the mid 1800's. :)

One of my favorite quotes from Jeff Cooper illustrates this:

"If you don't understand weapons you don't understand fighting. If you don't understand fighting you don't understand war. If you don't understand war you don't understand history. And if you don't understand history you might as well live with your head in a sack."
 

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