Very bad experience with an on line dealer

Trooper Joe

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First of all, I will not post his name since this guy would probably sue me. However, I will describe my recent experience which I am sure someone else probably will recognize who it is.

This dealer is only on line. He is known for dealing many surplus firearms.

I ordered a surplus CZ 50 that was pictured on his web site. When I picked it up at my dealer, I did not notice that it was actually a CZ 70 with CZ 50 grips and hammer. The sales slip he sent with the gun actually stated it was a CZ 50 and listed the serial number of the gun he sent. I did not realize it was a CZ 70 until after I got it home and started to clean it.

When I called the dealer, his wife pushed back saying it was my fault that that I did not check it closer at my dealer. She finally agreed to send me a drop tag for shipping it back to them via USPS. She also agreed to refund $30 that what my dealer charged me for transferring it to me.

Today, I went to my dealer to pick up the CZ 50 they sent me. This gun was in very poor condition and not the one in the photo on his web site.

When I called the selling dealer from my FFL’s shop, the selling dealer advised me to have my dealer send it back to them and they would refund my purchase price. He further stated I was rude to his wife and he did not want to deal with me any more.

This dealer is a fraud and practices this “bait and switch” routine with others, I am sure. That is why I feel that there are other victims of his business practice that will recognize him by this post.

In one of my text messages to him I mentioned that ATF may have an interest in this situation. His response was …” The cz70 was our mistake but other than that get fxxxxd lol, call the ATF I don’t care.”….

He further sent me this explanation of this situation:


…”As previously stated, you will receive a refund of $254.99. You already received a $30 refund per previous communication. We are not required to refund transfer fees for YOUR error of not verifying the firearm PRIOR to being transferred by your FFL. We did not intentionally send you a CZ70 in place of the CZ50, which you received and no longer want. We corrected the error for the mistaken CZ70 being sent & sent you the CZ50 you ordered, which once again you no longer want.

The main photo (first photo) changes when we update the photos on the listing for the next batch of pistols, as we explained on the phone. The pistol number photos also change when we restock the next batch, hence why there is only ONE of each pistol 1, ONE pistol 2, ONE pistol 3, etc.

I have informed you of what will be done when we receive it back. We no longer need to communicate about this order and I will issue you the refund once it’s received and verified.”…


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Just be careful gang. This is the first time something like this has happened to me with over 100 on line transactions.

As a retired state police detective, it is embarrassing.

Trooper Joe
 
Maybe post his city / state ? Or something to help others with a little detective work on their end to avoid doing business with him ?
And thank you for your State Police Service.
 
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Someone asked if it even happened. I’m sure it did. Why go to this trouble of making something up otherwise?

I just searched CZ 50 for sale and there aren’t a lot of them being sold online outside of gunbroker. So it’s probably pretty obvious who it is.

But to Trooper Joe, it sounds like you did get your money back, correct?
 
Someone asked if it even happened. I’m sure it did. Why go to this trouble of making something up otherwise?

I just searched CZ 50 for sale and there aren’t a lot of them being sold online outside of gunbroker. So it’s probably pretty obvious who it is.

But to Trooper Joe, it sounds like you did get your money back, correct?
He says he will give me a partial refund. We will see.

His ad for a CZ50 is still on the net. This is what I ordered,

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This is what he finally sent after sending a CZ 70 in error.

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TJ
 
I'm confused whether there was actually any 'bait and switch'. The one seller I found that listed individual surplus CZ-50s and 70s had very clear pictures of the guns offered. While I acknowledge there may have been a CZ-70 listed on the CZ-50 page, that would have been apparent from the images. They are essentially the same gun with minor updates, so I wouldn't fault either the buyer or the seller for mis-IDing.

The seller's response sounds about right for someone who has paid to ship a firearm 4 times plus cover a transfer fee with no sale. There's not a huge margin on surplus.

ETA: I found the seller's site specifying particular guns a bit confusing, so I'll have to trust the OP that he ordered the firearm pictured and not some lesser condition one by mistake.
 
I also don't think it is an actual bait and switch... I see it as more of a creative and bulk marketing ploy.... what a lot of folks these days in marketing would not find wrong... show a picture of a pristine used object and then send what ever is next in line in the bulk box and probably somewhere in the fine print of the on line 'contract' it says the item one is buying is not the one in the picture....
 
probably somewhere in the fine print of the on line 'contract' it says the item one is buying is not the one in the picture....

I looked for that statement but did not find it.

TJ
 
@Trooper Joe, is the first picture in post #13 the first gun you received? Looks like a CZ-50 that's been updated with a CZ-70 hammer and magazine.

Did you get to pick the second gun that was shipped?
The first picture in post #13 was what I thought I ordered. The pictures of what they sent me are as following:
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It was a CZ 70 with CZ 50 grips on it. That is probably why I did not realize that had they sent me a CZ 70 instead of a CZ 50 that I ordered.

As I mentioned before, I called them and after enduring a “baggering” that it was my fault, they agreed to send me a USPS mailing label to send it back to them. They also agreed to refund my visa $30 to cover the transfer fee on the CZ 70. They now say the $30 was a partial refund and not a reimbursement of the transfer fee.

When they finally sent me a CZ 50, it was not the one pictured in their ad even though their ad stated I would get the one pictured. The sent me a very rough one that was pictured in some almost hidden link in their ad.

To answer your question I did not “pick” the CZ 50 they sent me. I actually thought I was getting the one pictured in their ad (the first picture in post #13).

TJ
 
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The first picture in post #13 was what I thought I ordered. The pictures of what they sent me are as following:
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It was a CZ 70 with CZ 50 grips on it. That is probably why I did not realize that had they sent me a CZ 70 instead of a CZ 50 that I ordered.

As I mentioned before, I called them and after enduring a “baggering” that it was my fault, they agreed to send me a USPS mailing label to send it back to them. They also agreed to refund my visa $30 to cover the transfer fee on the CZ 70. They now say the $30 was a partial refund and not a reimbursement of the transfer fee.

When they finally sent me a CZ 50, it was not the one pictured in their ad even though their ad stated I would get the one pictured. The sent me a very rough one that was pictured in some almost hidden link in their ad.

To answer your question I did not “pick” the CZ 50 they sent me. I actually thought I was getting the one pictured in their ad (the first picture in post #13).

TJ
Save all the ytext messages and do a chargeback through visa...
 
I can sympathize with the buyer's issues. I don't know who the seller was. All I can say is that I only trust Aim Surplus for their honesty and fair dealings for surplus firearms. Thank you.
Thanks for your kind reply. I too have had excellent experiences with Aim Surplus as well as many others (ie, Classic Arms , Grab a Gun, Bud’s, Brownells, Midway, and others).

TJ
 
Way back in the 70s I remember Shotgun News. A few friends were buying surplus stuff and sometimes they got crap. My M1 Garand had birch wood or something. The stock cracked in the wrist area during the 1st range test.
I finally ordered something with Shotgun News. Walnut stock set for it. "used in good condition" The rear barrel cover was beat up, the front hand guard cracked though the whole length. The main stock was ok, but it needed work. It was walnut I will give them that. I sucked it up and ordered new wood for the barrel from Springfield Armory. Yep, it cost a lot more than the surplus. All that soured me on buying surplus unless I held it first at a gun show.
 
I got this from Grab-a-Gun a few weeks ago. They did not even list it “as new”. Grab-a-Gun rocks.

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After getting this excellent CZ 70 (made in 1971) I was trying to pick up a nice CZ 50 for a companion piece.

PS: This CZ 70 I got from Grab-a Gun had a set of CZ 50 grips on it that I replaced with these nice walnut grips (only $45).

TJ
 
Being that rude, there is no reason not to post who it is. That story would be all over the Internet if that were me and his name would be all over it.
do not forget that rudeness is the weak man's show of strength.
 
Moka's Raifus, don't know that I've ever heard of the guy. Don't know that he really is the worst at least you got most of your money back.
 
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