Traffic accident

[BearBiologist]

I'm told that Philandro Castile said the same thing on July 5, 2006.

It was 2016. not 2006. Sounds like he did NOT wait for instructions from the cop. I, personally, wait until I am told how to respond. Bad judgement on both parts.

 

[Ka6otm]

Bob,, I know I speak for the masses here,, saying we are glad you weren't hurt or even worse.
Things happen. We are human. We all make mistakes.

That said; I'd like to address this comment;
"I never notify anybody that I'm carrying, especially cops. If they ask, then I'm legally required to tell them and I will, but no other way.

Don't invite the man into your life.

Many, if not most states that allow CCW with a permit, have it written in their laws that you are REQUIRED to give any police officer, who is on duty & conducting official business, immediate notice of your CCW status, if you have CCW, and if you are armed.
To NOT tell them violates the law.
It may not be right,, but we must follow the law. We may disagree with the law,, but we must follow it, until we can change it.

Now,, if it is NOT required by law in your state,, then you do not have to do so,, but knowing many, many LEO's,, it's a courtesy thing,, that goes a LONG way in establishing the fact you are a lawful individual and respectful of them & their jobs. It puts LEO's in a much higher stress attitude if they find out indirectly,, ESPECIALLY if it's an incident here other tensions are already high.

We here on the Ruger Forum do not promote breaking laws,,, especially firearm laws.

Bob,, my apologies for the hijacking,, but I know you understand.

You seem to be reaching to try to read something into my comments and I'm not sure why. So I'll put it another way so you can understand. I don't tell them unless I'm asked and when I say that I'm referring to when I'm in my home state. I didn't attempt to cover what I would do in the other 49 states as it would require a long dissertation. Nor did I attempt to cover what I would say in other countries.

Stop trying to demonstrate how intelligent you are, you're making yourself look stupid.

 

[caryc]

Funny that you mention about saying thanks to firefighters and police. I do this religiously any time I see them on duty. I had an incident in a parking lot where I actually backed into a marked police vehicle. I had looked both ways and heard his horn just as I bumped into the cruiser. I profusely apologized to the young officer and told him that I deserved a ticket if he wanted to cite me. In my entire driving life I have had the sum total of 1 ticket and that was a seat belt violation. The officer said that he would have to get his supervisor because it was an incident involving the cruiser. It took 45 minutes for the supervisor to get there.... It was a Zone Commander that over the years I have wished
"Have a quiet shift and home safe" probably 10 or 15 times. He looked at the ding on the vehicle and rubbed it with his thumb... I told him the same thing that I told the 1st officer and said that if I was cited I had earned it. The Zone Commander told the officer that if he had to deal with people like me all of the time his job would be much easier. Then he tells me that there was no real damage because it was plastic and to drive carefully..... Being nice does have advantages!

I really don't have any dealings with cops on the road. I haven't had any citations or even been stopped by a cop in over 35 years. When I tell people that, they seem really shocked and they ask me how I managed that.

I just tell them, it's very simple really, I just obey the laws. It's doable. When it says "no left turn" I don't turn left. When it says "right turn only" I turn right. I drive the speed limit. The red stop signs mean STOP, so I stop.You know how it works.

 

[contender]

Ka6otm,
If you feel I was over reaching,, it was because you were not clear in your original comment. You never explained; "I don't tell them unless I'm asked and when I say that I'm referring to when I'm in my home state."
You didn't identify your state. And I never claimed to know all the laws of every state.

And the way it comes across is that you have a distrust of LEO's. Your comment; "Don't invite the man into your life."

In MY case,, and many already know it here,, "the man" is also my son, along with a brother from another mother. And I'm friends with many LEO's across many agencies. I've invite them into my life a lot. I'm proud to know many good LEO's and respect them.

But it strays from the simple fact you made a short, blunt statement that comes across as advice to everyone in every state, that would violate several state laws in many places. My point was that we should as I explained in detail, obey the laws IF YOUR STATE REQUIRES IT.

I will not clutter up Bob's post with further replies, as this is not the place.

 

[wxl1]

I always tell the officer if I am carrying or have one in the pickup. They always congratulate me. Have not had a violation ticket in 30+ years, have a warning or two.

There is a fire station 5 blocks from me. I try to stop by with donuts monthly.

 

[Johnny-Baseball]

The story goes: An Oklahoma licensed gun owner/carrier was stopped in Texas. He rolled down the window, put both hands on the steering wheel and waited for the highway patrolman.

When the officer arrived, the Okie said, "Officer, I am licensed to carry a gun. But I do not have a firearm with me."

The officer replied, "Why not?"

 

[Bob Wright]

I really don't have any dealings with cops on the road. I haven't had any citations or even been stopped by a cop in over 35 years. When I tell people that, they seem really shocked and they ask me how I managed that.

I just tell them, it's very simple really, I just obey the laws. It's doable. When it says "no left turn" I don't turn left. When it says "right turn only" I turn right. I drive the speed limit. The red stop signs mean STOP, so I stop.You know how it works.

I can pretty much say the same thing. The sign said "Yield" and I yielded. Just not long enough.

Bob Wright

 

[Bob Wright]

As to the why I did what I did, or said what I said, I did so out of simple courtesy.

There is legal and there is right. I try to be governed by the latter.

Bob Wright

 

[caryc]

You're a good man Bob. We'll forgive you for this one and I think the man upstairs will also. Humans can and do fail at times.

 

[bocash3]

For what it is worth, was taught CC class by a law enforcement officer some 20 years ago plus or minus. We were told to place hands on wheel and politely announce having permit and weapon upon first officer appearance. Most just brush it off. Only one time a NC Hwy Patrol asked: "Where is your weapon?"

One time stopped by former biology student who was NCHP. Did not recognize him at first. Announced as usual. He replied: "You wouldn't shoot a former student would you?" We both got a good laugh. I had oversize tires on the Jeep which threw speedometer off........... he pulled me for 67 in a 55 zone. After he allowed me to get out and point to lift kit and large tires, he wrote a warning citation. We figured my speed was about 6 mph high as I was doing 61 when I passed him.

Main point of note. Friend of mine was a passenger and carrying. His girlfriend was stopped. Said friend sat quietly. It was not until some 15 minutes later he finally told the Hickory, NC officer: "I have a CC and weapon." The young officer wrote him a ticket and confiscated his revolver because: "You are supposed to tell me immediately upon my approach!" This led to a court fiasco in which the officer was sort of told by judge his move was ridiculous. My friend got his weapon back immediately.

Y'all have a great 4th. Bo in western NC

 

[bigbillyboy]

The story goes: An Oklahoma licensed gun owner/carrier was stopped in Texas. He rolled down the window, put both hands on the steering wheel and waited for the highway patrolman.

When the officer arrived, the Okie said, "Officer, I am licensed to carry a gun. But I do not have a firearm with me."

The officer replied, "Why not?"

For what it is worth, was taught CC class by a law enforcement officer some 20 years ago plus or minus. We were told to place hands on wheel and politely announce having permit and weapon upon first officer appearance. Most just brush it off. Only one time a NC Hwy Patrol asked: "Where is your weapon?"

One time stopped by former biology student who was NCHP. Did not recognize him at first. Announced as usual. He replied: "You wouldn't shoot a former student would you?" We both got a good laugh. I had oversize tires on the Jeep which threw speedometer off........... he pulled me for 67 in a 55 zone. After he allowed me to get out and point to lift kit and large tires, he wrote a warning citation. We figured my speed was about 6 mph high as I was doing 61 when I passed him.

Main point of note. Friend of mine was a passenger and carrying. His girlfriend was stopped. Said friend sat quietly. It was not until some 15 minutes later he finally told the Hickory, NC officer: "I have a CC and weapon." The young officer wrote him a ticket and confiscated his revolver because: "You are supposed to tell me immediately upon my approach!" This led to a court fiasco in which the officer was sort of told by judge his move was ridiculous. My friend got his weapon back immediately.

Y'all have a great 4th. Bo in western NC

Just another incident where a Leo confiscates a gun with no right to do so .

 

[caryc]

For what it is worth, was taught CC class by a law enforcement officer some 20 years ago plus or minus. We were told to place hands on wheel and politely announce having permit and weapon upon first officer appearance. Most just brush it off. Only one time a NC Hwy Patrol asked: "Where is your weapon?"

One time stopped by former biology student who was NCHP. Did not recognize him at first. Announced as usual. He replied: "You wouldn't shoot a former student would you?" We both got a good laugh. I had oversize tires on the Jeep which threw speedometer off........... he pulled me for 67 in a 55 zone. After he allowed me to get out and point to lift kit and large tires, he wrote a warning citation. We figured my speed was about 6 mph high as I was doing 61 when I passed him.

Main point of note. Friend of mine was a passenger and carrying. His girlfriend was stopped. Said friend sat quietly. It was not until some 15 minutes later he finally told the Hickory, NC officer: "I have a CC and weapon." The young officer wrote him a ticket and confiscated his revolver because: "You are supposed to tell me immediately upon my approach!" This led to a court fiasco in which the officer was sort of told by judge his move was ridiculous. My friend got his weapon back immediately.

Y'all have a great 4th. Bo in western NC

That officer was a real p***k. He shouldn't be wearing a badge. Just a young P***k throwing his weight around. Yeah...I'll show her...

 

[Aqualung]

Two months ago, I was in the same situation. My attention was watching for merging traffic and not ahead of me when traffic stopped and I ended up hitting a car ahead of me. When the State Trooper arrived, I handed him both my Driver's License and my CCW permit and informed him that I had a loaded firearm and asked if he had any special instructions for me about it.

My thinking was not only along the lines of Bob's situation (a courtesy), but also in case he needed to do a field sobriety test. I wasn't drinking, it was 10:00am on a Friday and I showed no signs of DUI, but I didn't know if there was some protocol that needed to be followed in that situation. To me, it was better to let him know, than to wait until my hands were on the hood in a pre-frisk move and saying "oh, by the way..."

The trooper's response was "that's fine...no problem."

And this was in the heart of Philadelphia.

As far as the accidents go...sometimes stuff just happens...you spend enough time driving, you're going to get into one.

No one was hurt in my accident except for my poor pickup, the other woman's Honda and my pride...glad to hear it was the same in your situation, Bob.

Aqualung

 

[JackBull]

The question that a lot of younger officers ask is... "Do you have anything that can or will hurt me"? That is a loaded question no matter the answer you give. How DO you respond?

Are you required to respond?

 

[JackBull]

That officer was a real p***k. He shouldn't be wearing a badge. Just a young P***k throwing his weight around. Yeah...I'll show her...

Unfortunately too many cops are.

 

[Bob Wright]

Unfortunately too many cops are.

You need to take every man at face value, how he comes across to you. This whether he is wearing a uniform or not. Form your opinion of him only after you have heard him out and observed his actions.

It was Will rogers who said, "I never met a man I didn't like."

He never continued what ensued afterward, though.

Bob Wright

 

[caryc]

You need to take every man at face value, how he comes across to you. This whether he is wearing a uniform or not. Form your opinion of him only after you have heard him out and observed his actions.

It was Will rogers who said, "I never met a man I didn't like."

He never continued what ensued afterward, though.

Bob Wright

Trouble is that there were a lot of people that he never met. ;)

 

[Watertender]

Are you required to respond?

I think they do it for needles mostly. Who wants to get stuck by a dirty drug laden needle