Thoughts About AI

[GypsmJim]

As a former business owner, I became a member of Linkedin many years ago. In recent years there has been a lot of discussion there about AI. Some sing its benefits, others proclaim it is evil. Two persons that I am personally acquainted with have directly opposite opinions. Both are very successful, although one is a crook and the other an outstanding businessman. (although I'm not sure if that has any relevance here)

Anywhoot, since I respect the opinions of all the people here, I was just wondering what the general consensus is among us.....

 

[gnappi]

FWIW, here's a screen cap from an old movie called Tron and it reflects my opinion...

Note, I did not annotate the image, I had the subtitles enabled so it's the actual script.

 

[Yaworski]

I'll call it AI when it creates an original thought without a prompt.

 

[Paul B]

It may be far fetched but maybe Terminator wasn't science fiction at all. Look t how many things have happened since Jules Verne's writing. Nucclear powered submarines and surface war ships. The airplane. Possibly lasers being the birth of a 40 megawatt plasma gun?

Ever since the first computer, scientists have asked computers just how they might improve themselves and the computers would give them an answer which when utilized made the computer more powerful. It could only be a matter of time than the computer would decide to eliminate man. Considering the thinking of some of the doing ecofreaks programing might even hurry that idea within the AI community.

Terminator was just a sci-fi movie. AI ain't sci-fi. It's here and its potential is apparently limitless.
Paul B.

 

[GunnyGene]

Like any tech it can be used for good or bad, will be, and is right now. Just like firearms. What should be understood tho, is unlike firearms, AI and it's progeny continues to evolve at an ever increasing rate (this year will see the roll out of AGI Artificial General Intelligence ). So fast that it's difficult to even keep up, let alone predict where it will go from here and what it's capabilities might be even a year or 2 from now.

It should also be understood that it's world wide with thousands of individuals, hundreds of companies, and dozens of countries pouring trillions of dollars into advancing the tech for every imaginable use, including military, as quickly, and as powerful, as possible. And many of them, foreign and domestic, are not our friends.

See this article from last week:

https://www.techradar.com/computing...l-superintelligence-agi-will-happen-this-year

 

[Ale-8(1)]

Previous thread . . .

https://www.rugerforum.com/threads/ai-learns-to-cheat-and-deceive.314971/

 

[GunnyGene]

I'll call it AI when it creates an original thought without a prompt.

That will be the next step beyond AGI. You won't have to wait very long I think. Perhaps 5 years.

 

[Kevin]

I think it’s very beneficial. I was listening to one podcast. And they talked about the idea teachers say that it can be used for plagiarism. Well they gave one example of a teacher that said use Chat GPT to print a story and they the students had to go and edit the story themselves.

I think schools should embrace AI and NOT make kids shy away from it. AI isn’t going away.

I saw a quote. Something to the effect of “Don’t be scared of AI taking your job. Be scared of the person that can use AI taking your job.”

Chat GPT has a paid version which you have an account and can “teach” it to be smarter in specific areas. I would bet businesses are using it to write customer facing services and things like newsletters or customer updates.

Did you know you can call 1800CHATGPT? That’s 1-800-242-8478.

We called them last night. My daughter found something on Instagram about AI now being able to spell Strawberry or Raspberry correctly. Unfortunately she is correct the voice claiming to be Chat GPT could not spell either fruit.

It’s a pleasing lady’s voice by the way.

 

[Kevin]

And to back up what @GunnyGene said, NVDA is one company which rose last year on AI. They said the next step coming is robotics.

 

[Yaworski]

That will be the next step beyond AGI. You won't have to wait very long I think. Perhaps 5 years.

When that happens, we will be considered a pestilence on the planet. Fortunately, I'll be gone and won't have to live in a bunker and go out at night to fight the robots.

 

[Johnnu2]

Scares the wee wee outta me..... The worst part is that I'll definitely live to be 100 and thus, no escaping for me...

 

[GunnyGene]

Scares the wee wee outta me..... The worst part is that I'll definitely live to be 100 and thus, no escaping for me...

Well maybe the good, helpful to humanity superintelligent machines, will win and everything will be peachy cool and wonderful. If not, just save a bullet for yourself.

Btw, a update on Military AI. Speeding up the Kill Chain.

https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/19/the-pentagon-says-ai-is-speeding-up-its-kill-chain/

 

[pyth0n]

What's called AI now is not AI. Nothing more than improved graphics & ignorant robo voice. It's not AI until it's self aware & can think for itself.
Plenty of sci fi movies posing theories of what AI can be.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

[GunnyGene]

What's called AI now is not AI. Nothing more than improved graphics & ignorant robo voice. It's not AI until it's self aware & can think for itself.
Plenty of sci fi movies posing theories of what AI can be.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Have you heard of the "Stargate Project"? Announced by Trump today.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ai-ex...is-very-large-investment-affects-all-humanity

"This is a very large investment that affects all of humanity," Oracle founder Larry Ellison told Fox News chief political anchor Bret Baier on "Special Report" on Tuesday.

President Trump unveiled a massive AI infrastructure project from the private sector on the first full day of his second term in office on Tuesday.

The initial investment for the project will be $100 billion, with plans to expand to $500 billion over the next four years. The first data center built under the initiative will be in Texas, and it will eventually expand to other states.

"This means we can create A.I. and A.G.I. in the United States of America. {it] wouldn't have been obvious that this was possible," OpenAI CEO Sam Altman said. "I think with a different president it might not have been possible. But we are thrilled to get to do this, and I think it'll be great for Americans, great for the whole world."

Altman conceded A.I. pioneers need to be "responsible" and develop the technology "carefully."

"I think people are really good, and people will do, on balance, incredible things with this technology. The scale of this investment obviously is huge. And what I think that says about the likely progress of the technology, at least what all of us believe, is correspondingly huge. But I have enormous faith will figure it out," he said.

 

[GasGuzzler]

Scares me. Wife isn't worried in the least.

 

[GunnyGene]

Scares me. Wife isn't worried in the least.

An old poem about a husband and his wife you may enjoy.

The Coming War

https://www.theotherpages.org/poems/foss01.html#5

 

[JackBull]

Do we take the 1950's view of tech making our lives better or the dystopian world imagined now?

 

[DBnoise]

When AI was just a thought in the mid eighties I was invited by IBM as a Systems Engineer to join the AI group. I am not a Bible thumper but have firm beliefs in the God and what is written I follow. I told my boss I would not accept because I would believe that as Adam and Eve partook the fruit of the tree of knowledge and the consequences that we should never approach an equal of God.
There are very good things that AI can be used for and evil things in the wrong hands. In social media it has been used to curtail free speech, the evil side. As an example the algorithms couldn't distinguish between a hoe and a ho when someone was trying to sell some garden tools and AI thought they were human trafficking. Similar things has happened to me and to all of i am sure, in a group when I listed the the scope rings and height with the scope I used on a particular rifle. They interpreted it as i was selling when there was nothing that was in anything written that indicated I was selling anything. But Zuckerberg thought so.
I can positively say that China has some of the most sophisticated usage of algorithms that can decode an address or an email even if you try to slightly to circumvent an email exchange in some of their web sites . It will even track for days any assembly of it for days in each conversation.
For me the last project I worked on would be considered somewhat AI when a partner and I wrote a predictive failure analysis program on the systems that IBM Watson hardware platform is running on. It would sleep until an error occurred. Woke up monitor certain areas if it hicupped again it would analyze the error and deduce the part associated with that error, most generally a hard disk drive, submit an order for parts and send that part to the account. Alert the dispatch system to tell the field engineer when the part will arrive at his account to go replace it. Sox years ago there were 97 complexes in a cluster of those systems that was the hardware platform to make IBM Watson function.
What is frustrating for me is searches for data i want to know in using a sophisticated system which I coukd enter a search argument and have it return what I asked. Now you google something and you get thousands of results instead of a couple of answers very directly associated with the question. Also I think logically in a discipline of technology of mainframe processing and it is so illogical to me the way the pc world does things.
What believe a whole generation is being slanted in their knowledge they build with what master minds want them to know. A grooming of their minds. It is also changing there common sense abilities by just getting an answer to a question that you don't have to solve the problem through a human process to learn how things are done. I.E. don't know what a dipstick is or milk comes from cows.
I was once asked by a manager at IBM why I used a male connotation when referring to mainframe systems and not a "she", my answer. Computers are logically put together and I can fix them. Women, I have yet to figure them out!!! LOL
Just my $.02 worth.

 

[pyth0n]

Have you heard of the "Stargate Project"? Announced by Trump today.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ai-ex...is-very-large-investment-affects-all-humanity

Thanks, I hadn't heard of this. All this is, is a more advanced faster computer still has to be programmed by humans, GIGO. I repeat, The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

[pyth0n]

Whew!
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kionas...ted-a-nuclear-war-and-the-man-who-stopped-it/

 

[GunnyGene]

Thanks, I hadn't heard of this. All this is, is a more advanced faster computer still has to be programmed by humans, GIGO. I repeat, The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I think you may be underestimating the capabilities that exist now and the influence hundreds of billions of dollars has on the evolution of AGI. If by 'programming' you mean 'coding', AI systems are rapidly displacing human coders and writing their own code without the typical errors of human coders.

 

[Hertervillian]

I must agree it’s not going away. However I don’t like anything about it, at least not as I’ve seen it used. It discourages original thoughts and content.

You need only look at popular music to see where sampling, auto tune has taken the music industry. Musical Doritos, tasty snacks with little nutritional value. The longer original thought is suppressed the more difficult it becomes to think an original thought. Even if it isn’t new to the world it’s new to the person, the process being as valuable as the product.

 

[Huskerguy72]

My daughter has her own digital marketing company and uses AI and loves it. I have a son who is a senior software engineer for a large health care company. I suspect AI will eventually take over his job or he will be the one telling AI what to do.

Reports I am seeing are that by 2030, 10 million (at least) people will be out of jobs because of AI.

We are all being experimented on with every stroke of the keyboard in an effort to get AI to learn more. It is creating an underground language to prevent the AI code breakers if they can.

I see it as the potential for pure evil and good at the same time. Do you want your health care determined by an AI machine? That’s not to say some docs aren’t great but there is something about having a human touch.

My background is education and the kids are using it and according to teachers they are learning how to use it, not anything about what they are really doing. It is right up there with Satan in my book.

 

[vito]

There is nothing yet to support the concept that AI will at some point make the computer a self aware, conscious entity. AI allows the computer to screen a vast amount of data in an incredibly short time and to put together that data in a logical manner. The good that AI can bring to us is enormous. When you go to the doctor with some specific medical history and a collection of aches and pains and other symptoms, your doctor tries to collate all of this into a likely diagnosis. Most physicians can do a pretty good job of this for common and recurring issues. But what is the likelihood that your physician will recall some obscure syndrome that he or she might have heard mentioned once when they were in medical school, or referenced years earlier in some medical journal article? Pretty slim chance that if this rare condition is what ails you that it will be figured out by your doctor. But with AI, where nothing is forgotten or missed if it exists somewhere in medical literature, the computer might come up with the right answer almost instantly and that could save your life.

But I will say that since science does not really know what consciousness is, what self awareness really is, and how our brain or soul or whatever contains this quality, maybe dumb but fast computers will eventually "wake up", like HAL in "2001 a Space Odyssey". Then all bets are off as to what AI might lead to. Time will tell.

 

[txramfan]

AI concerns me and makes me ponder what my grandkids will be concerned about in 50 years.
As a kid in the 60s duck and cover drills were part of elementary school. Didn't matter that being next to Camp Pendleton, and 60 or so miles from LA and San Diego that hiding under a desk next to windows wouldn't be much protection.

The ability to create audio/video content via AI and spread it via social media is what concerns me.

 

[Fox Mike]

I have to remind myself that as AI is coming everywhere that many have problems with 'progress'. Think back to Gutenberg and what his invention brought about (he put lots of scribes out of business). When I first was assigned to a Nike Ajax and Hercules missile site we had a FUIF (Fire Unit Integrated Facility, all hard tube) that took up a room about 10 x10. Transistors arrived and the same information was then placed in a suitcase sized container that hung on the wall in the computer side of the corridor. Your handheld Android phone has more computer power that the "Eagle" when it landed on the moon. Progress is going to happen.

 

[pyth0n]

I think you may be underestimating the capabilities that exist now and the influence hundreds of billions of dollars has on the evolution of AGI. If by 'programming' you mean 'coding', AI systems are rapidly displacing human coders and writing their own code without the typical errors of human coders.

To code /program same same. Billions of dollars spent, to what end, really.

 

[Kevin]

Reports I am seeing are that by 2030, 10 million (at least) people will be out of jobs because of AI.

Will those people be out of a job or will their jobs just be different than they are now?

 

[GunnyGene]

@Python: They used to be same/same. Not so much anymore.

An example:

https://www.semafor.com/article/01/...e-dont-care-about-professional-coders-anymore

 

[GypsmJim]

My daughter has her own digital marketing company and uses AI and loves it. I have a son who is a senior software engineer for a large health care company. I suspect AI will eventually take over his job or he will be the one telling AI what to do.

Reports I am seeing are that by 2030, 10 million (at least) people will be out of jobs because of AI.

We are all being experimented on with every stroke of the keyboard in an effort to get AI to learn more. It is creating an underground language to prevent the AI code breakers if they can.

I see it as the potential for pure evil and good at the same time. Do you want your health care determined by an AI machine? That's not to say some docs aren't great but there is something about having a human touch.

My background is education and the kids are using it and according to teachers they are learning how to use it, not anything about what they are really doing. It is right up there with Satan in my book.

Your views are the same as mine. I only posted the question to see what others thought.

I joined the Computer Club in the 1960's in High School, learned programming in College, and spent my 45 year professional career developing programs for process control and energy conservation.

I don't have warm and fuzzy feelings about the future.