That Submersible

[MHtractorguy]

There were three large lead-filled pipes underneath the thing, designed to be released to gain buoyancy. Also several bags of shot and some weights hanging on hooks. If these weights were dumped, they would theoretically fall nearly straight down. If they were released from the sub, and the sub imploded, it may have floated or drifted miles away. I suspect we will hear that this debris field they found will turn out to be the lead ballast. Just a hunch, I wasn't there.

 

[Joe Chartreuse]

Well, in this day and time its hard for me to believe that sub didnt have any kind of a GPS tracker. And Their searching a 10,000 square mile grid looking for it. Come on!! Thats a 100mi x 100mi square. Lots about this jus dont add up.

GPS and Wi-Fi and regular radio do not work with deep sea subs. They can use VLF radio down to maybe 80 feet. After that, the only way to communicate with the surface is with a cable attached to a buoy and sent up.

 

[dannyd]

If the thing imploded, it would not be a very big debris field would it?

The field compared to the size of the ocean area, would be about the same as you dumping your ash tray in a large Landfill.

 

[Joe Chartreuse]

If the thing imploded, it would not be a very big debris field would it?

Depends how long ago it may have imploded. How much time ocean currents had at it.

 

[RC44Mag]

Yeah I kind of agree with you but, the people in that thing did not know that no rescue was possible. I'm sure they were hoping right up till the end. If you were on that thing and there was a self destruct button, how many days would you wait before using it?

Interesting question but that’s something I couldn’t possibly answer without being there myself. I’m assuming at least the skipper of the death trap had an idea that being rescued would be very difficult if not impossible but I guess we’ll never know.

 

[RC44Mag]

I think it could be spread out along a wide swath of bottom. It was pretty far from sea bottom I understand when it came apart and with ocean currents which easily move whole ships rather easily move small pieces so much quicker. Also depending on weights of individual pieces. Obviously lighter pieces with more surface area will travel further in the current than heavy chunks. Once much of hits bottom it will still be rolled along the bottom again depending on weight and surface area. The thing as a whole could be spread of many square miles of sea bottom by now.

 

[MHtractorguy]

How much would two miles of strong cable cost? Maybe even strong rope. Run communication WIRES along the rope, tie it to the sub and send it on its way.

 

[caryc]

GPS and Wi-Fi and regular radio do not work with deep sea subs. They can use VLF radio down to maybe 80 feet. After that, the only way to communicate with the surface is with a cable attached to a buoy and sent up.

I believe you since I've seen the same scenario in movies. So, why did they say they lost communication with it if there was not any communication? What depth was it when they lost communication?

 

[noahmercy]

There are reports that the landing frame and rear cover were found among the debris, so pretty certain it suffered a catastrophic failure.
https://americanbriefing.com/breaki...rame-of-titan-submersible-found-near-titanic/

 

[Paul B]

The Titanic was the ship that a certain Mr. Ismay, IIRC, stated was, "The ship that God could not sink." I think God said. "Wanna bet?"

I don't know what the waivers said that those people signed but considering almost everything these days is accompanied with lawyer mandated warnings, they probably brushed the warnings off as lawyer CYA. Just look on the barrels of your Ruger firearms. Do you pay attention to them or just consider them an unsightly blemish fforce upon you by Ruger's legal department?
Paul B.

 

[Dave P.]

Well at least they would have died quickly, sounds like catastrophic failure of the pressure hull.
Might not have had time to even realize they were dead.
Physics win again.

 

[blume357]

I've been taught that the only function of a disclaimer is to discourage someone from calling a lawyer.... one of the biggest chuckles I got over the years was at Front Sight in Nevada.... of course before you took a class you had to sign a disclaimer... one of the items you sign off on is that you will not sue them, then the next item was if you do sue them it will only be in the state of Nevada. I never could figure that one out.

 

[caryc]

Just watched the interview with the Coast Guard Admiral. He said that the debris from that submersible was found 1600 feet from the Titanics bow.

Earlier they said they were searching an area the size of Connecticut. Which to me sounds like whatever they were searching with was totally useless. They couldn't locate something 1600 feet from the Titanic? I guess it was finally an ROV that got down there and found the debris. It took them all these days to get an ROV there? Even if the thing hadn't imploded and was just sitting on the bottom, the people would have died before they got that ROV down there to find it. Maybe I am wrong but it sounds like the whole thing was not handled very well.

 

[Garth69]

Well at least they would have died quickly, sounds like catastrophic failure of the pressure hull.
Might not have had time to even realize they were dead.
Physics win again.

this would be the very best scenario for these men. And probably was fairly quick. seconds instead of minutes.

 

[Garth69]

Just watched the interview with the Coast Guard Admiral. He said that the debris from that submersible was found 1600 feet from the Titanics bow.

Earlier they said they were searching an area the size of Connecticut. Which to me sounds like whatever they were searching with was totally useless. They couldn't locate something 1600 feet from the Titanic? I guess it was finally an ROV that got down there and found the debris. It took them all these days to get an ROV there? Even if the thing hadn't imploded and was just sitting on the bottom, the people would have died before they got that ROV down there to find it. Maybe I am wrong but it sounds like the whole thing was not handled very well.

the mishandling started with the lack of safety precautions during the construction of this plastic bubble.

 

[caryc]

the mishandling started with the lack of safety precautions during the construction of this plastic bubble.

Of course, any idiot can figure that out. But, does it have to be licensed anywhere? Who is responsible for safety standards on submersible craft?

Can any idiot just build a big tin can and give submersible tours? I didn't see any craft numbers on the thing like on a registered vessel.

 

[Cholo]

↑ That would be odd being it was used as a commercial vessel

 

[bisleyfan41]

Just watched the interview with the Coast Guard Admiral. He said that the debris from that submersible was found 1600 feet from the Titanics bow.

Earlier they said they were searching an area the size of Connecticut. Which to me sounds like whatever they were searching with was totally useless. They couldn't locate something 1600 feet from the Titanic? I guess it was finally an ROV that got down there and found the debris. It took them all these days to get an ROV there? Even if the thing hadn't imploded and was just sitting on the bottom, the people would have died before they got that ROV down there to find it. Maybe I am wrong but it sounds like the whole thing was not handled very well.

This was a private venture. Nobody on board thought there would be an issue. The distance they were from any help slowed response. The crew had probably not requested emergency services standby. And ultimately, it's nobody's responsibility to risk their lives to save these idiots. That's on them. It's sad. But if you play risky games, you just might die.

 

[bigbillyboy]

Sad for the loss of life . May they RIP.

 

[outlaw_dogboy]

Just watched the interview with the Coast Guard Admiral. He said that the debris from that submersible was found 1600 feet from the Titanics bow.

Earlier they said they were searching an area the size of Connecticut. Which to me sounds like whatever they were searching with was totally useless. They couldn't locate something 1600 feet from the Titanic? I guess it was finally an ROV that got down there and found the debris. It took them all these days to get an ROV there? Even if the thing hadn't imploded and was just sitting on the bottom, the people would have died before they got that ROV down there to find it. Maybe I am wrong but it sounds like the whole thing was not handled very well.

Wall Street Journal just reported the US Navy had contacted the USCG days ago and reported a classified sub-detection system had "heard" a sound consistent with an implosion near the Titanic, DAYS AGO! As in, they reported it to the Coast Guard days ago. I'm not sure how that little tidbit got out now; however, I suspect everything after that point was the time it took to get an ROV in place to confirm the Titan had imploded, and thus close the case. With all the rest just being hope beyond hope that maybe the USN was wrong.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-na...losion-days-ago-6844cb12?mod=latest_headlines

 

[ProfessorWes]

At least it was quick.

 

[Garth69]

They lost communications with it halfway down.

I think thats when it imploded........the moment they lost communication.

 

[Swampbilly_2]

Ya know what comes after hubris...?

Nemesis.

A wealthy, older "White Guy" CEO professes ageism in hiring practices...passing over "old White Guys" who may be best qualified in favor of younger, likely less experienced, because they will be more "inspirational."

CEO brags that Sub can be piloted with a $30 Game Controller..."We can train anyone to pilot this."

Years ago, the company sued someone who worked there and raised safety concerns with the vessel and company practices.
One thing...supposedly the view portal on the front was rated to 1,300-meters of depth...NOT the nearly 4,000-meters Titanic sits in.

Company ignores industry agency letter warning of sub-standard engineering Specs on the sub, and rebuffs Agency's desire to perform inspection.

CEO claims they are implementing safety guidelines more in line with Aerospace industry, rather than Ocean Exploration.

YEAH...WHAT CAN WRONG WITH THIS?! I bet none of that showed up in the Marketing promotion to potential customers.

You don't want to wish anyone to have a tragedy, but at least the CEO was aboard to reap the results of his stupidity.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/us/oceangate-titanic-missing-submersible.html

 

[woodsy]

Gee. Robert Ballard in 1985 found the Titanic, without anyone being injured. Made several TV documentaries about it, and no one got hurt. I guess people need to do some research before taking extreme risks.

 

[outlaw_dogboy]

A wealthy, older "White Guy" CEO professes ageism in hiring practices...passing over "old White Guys" who may be best qualified in favor of younger, likely less experienced, because they will be more "inspirational."

CEO brags that Sub can be piloted with a $30 Game Controller..."We can train anyone to pilot this."

Years ago, the company sued someone who worked there and raised safety concerns with the vessel and company practices.
One thing...supposedly the view portal on the front was rated to 1,500-ft of depth...NOT the nearly 13,000-ft Titanic sits in.

I find this dubious. Let's not forget, it had already been to the Titanic twice. So obviously the viewing portal was capable of 13,000', even if it was not rated to that depth. Which, again, I find doubtful.

 

[Swampbilly_2]

I find this dubious. Let's not forget, it had already been to the Titanic twice. So obviously the viewing portal was capable of 13,000', even if it was not rated to that depth. Which, again, I find doubtful.

My error...I edited that...it should have been 1,300-meters...and 4,000-meters respectfully.
The portal still was underrated for the depths.

 

[RC44Mag]

It’s not even classified secret anymore. SOSUS was TS and has been employed by us for decades is strategic areas to pick up Soviet sub movements. We have SOSUS along the east coast( annd other places) and no doubt that’s what picked up the subs destruction. Dont know why this wasn’t disclosed earlier maybe because they couldn’t be 100% sure it was the sub or possibly something else. That would be a serious faux pas if the search was called off then it was discovered that they were still alive at that time.

 

[caryc]

They lost communications with it halfway down.

Halfway down would have been 7000 feet. There is no communications anywhere near that depth unless the thing had an umbilicus to a surface vessel. So how can they say it lost communications halfway down?

 

[txramfan]

Halfway down would have been 7000 feet. There is no communications anywhere near that depth unless the thing had an umbilicus to a surface vessel. So how can they say it lost communications halfway down?

Its been reported it had an antenna that allowed text messages. Also a transponder that pinged.
Both stop at the same time.
And I've read communication stopped at 90 minutes, never have seen it stated halfway down.
Sources I've seen thst reported some of this include BBC , Fox Cable, CNN, Dallas Morning News, and local ABC and Fox.

 

[hittman]

https://www.foxbusiness.com/technol...ken-some-rules-build-doomed-titan-submersible