Stopping Power Questions?
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DGW1949
Hawkeye
I'm certainly no expert, but I've probably witnessed more shootings as they took place than has most folks, I tend to agree with the information provided in the link.
Having said that though, there's still a little birdie in my head that says I should arm myself with the biggest caliber that I can properly control.....and then hope that I'll have time to reach my rifle or SG instead.
DGW
Having said that though, there's still a little birdie in my head that says I should arm myself with the biggest caliber that I can properly control.....and then hope that I'll have time to reach my rifle or SG instead.
DGW
Rick Courtright
Hawkeye
Hi,
Looks like the .357 Mag can certainly hold its head up proudly, doesn't it? Wonder what rifles were included, as it appears to match the rifle column...
I also wonder how much of the disparity between the "mouse guns" and some of the bigger handguns is a function of practice and training?
Rick C
Looks like the .357 Mag can certainly hold its head up proudly, doesn't it? Wonder what rifles were included, as it appears to match the rifle column...
I also wonder how much of the disparity between the "mouse guns" and some of the bigger handguns is a function of practice and training?
Rick C
Revolver-Time
Single-Sixer
I have seen this in other forums. I want to believe what is indicated by the data. My only problem is if I try to relate this data to deer hunting senerios. I have killed deer with rifles, shotguns, pistols, and blackpower rifles. At ranges under 50 yards, I had the best results with 50 caliber blackpowder and lightly loaded 44 mags. I know shot placement is all important but, when I put the bullet in the heart/lung area, the bullets that killed fastest were big slow movers.
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WESHOOT2
Hunter
There is a significant difference between the lethality of hunting vs stopping an
assailant.
The requirements differ.
assailant.The requirements differ.
Revolver-Time
Single-Sixer
WESHOOT2 said:There is a significant difference between the lethality of hunting vs stopping an
The requirements differ.
I suppose you are quite right. An animal normally does not give up until it actually dies. I have litterally taken out the heart of a whitetail with a 06 and it travelled many yards. I would think a person would act differently.
WESHOOT2
Hunter
Psychology is one of the human factors not present with animals.
I have noticed over my years of researching defense ammo that behavior cessation and lethality get confused.
I have noticed over my years of researching defense ammo that behavior cessation and lethality get confused.
Rick Courtright
Hawkeye
WESHOOT2 said:
Hi,
And that's even before we consider few animals, but more than a few BGs, engage in "recreational pursuits of a pharmaceutical nature!"
Seems that was one of the parameters involved w/ development of the .45 ACP, and continues to be important today when choosing effective calibers and loads, no?
Rick C
WESHOOT2
Hunter
I start every load by FIRST deciding what goal I have for the projectile; what work, specifically, do I wish the projectile perform?
JumpmasterC
Single-Sixer
With proper shot placement...just about any caliber is capable of tremendous stopping power!
Something is better then nothing but bigger is always better.
My father in law is a retired STL city police officer and had a story of a justified shooting he was involved in years ago. He and his partner chased down a suspect who decided to take a couple of shots at them as they rolled up on the scene. The pursued the suspect with guns drawn as he ran into the dark up a hill to go between to homes. As he ran between the homes he turn to fire on them again but was illuminated by a light. His white shirt glowed in the darkness. The officers emptied their weapons on the suspect (38 special revolvers) hitting the suspect 9 of 12 shots. He stopped. Was transported to the hospital and ............ survived!!! Shot placement is the key but sometimes bad guys just won't die!
APEXDUCK
My father in law is a retired STL city police officer and had a story of a justified shooting he was involved in years ago. He and his partner chased down a suspect who decided to take a couple of shots at them as they rolled up on the scene. The pursued the suspect with guns drawn as he ran into the dark up a hill to go between to homes. As he ran between the homes he turn to fire on them again but was illuminated by a light. His white shirt glowed in the darkness. The officers emptied their weapons on the suspect (38 special revolvers) hitting the suspect 9 of 12 shots. He stopped. Was transported to the hospital and ............ survived!!! Shot placement is the key but sometimes bad guys just won't die!
APEXDUCK
Lost Sheep
Single-Sixer
I hope the officers' goal was to stop the aggressive behavior (the shooting at the officers) and to capture the person. Making the bad guy die is NEVER supposed to be goal. Capturing him and getting him to stop is.APEXDUCK said:
Having said that, (and this is particularly important for civilians) the most certain way to get a cessation of bad behavior is death. But (and this is important for civilians) the ONLY (not primary, but ONLY) goal is cessation of hostilities.
Lost Sheep
DGW1949
Hawkeye
I hope the officers' goal was to stop the aggressive behavior (the shooting at the officers) and to capture the person. Making the bad guy die is NEVER supposed to be goal. Capturing him and getting him to stop is.Lost Sheep said:
Having said that, (and this is particularly important for civilians) the most certain way to get a cessation of bad behavior is death. But (and this is important for civilians) the ONLY (not primary, but ONLY) goal is cessation of hostilities.
Lost Sheep[/quote
I get your point there LS, and it is certainly the sort of thing that I'd say if caught-up in a court proceeding.
During the fight though, things are much different. I can say with absolute certainty that when you're being shot at, your only thought is to kill the sob. You can take that to the bank.
DGW
WESHOOT2
Hunter
My thoughts are of 'process'; cold.
Emotion (and wicked shakes) happens afterwards.....
Emotion (and wicked shakes) happens afterwards.....
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Anonymous
APEXDUCK said:
Too many people have a caliber complex, though, and would carry an 8 inch howitzer if it would fit in an IWB holster. You know, the guy who isn't comfortable unless his CCW is a Ruger Alaskan. I have my own line, "It's stopping power, not blow the BG into the next county power".
APEXDUCK said:
Imagine how that would go down in today's media, and the courts?
Yes, my father in law's shooting was many years ago. The Bad guy was a poster boy for the criminal type (in and out of jail for several years) and he fired on the police first, fled and then turned on the officers to shoot again. It was rule a good shooting and arrest, the bad guy lived to go to jail.
Yes stopping power is important. Control is more important. If you can't hit what your shooting at, it makes no difference what you shoot. I carry and shoot well a 1911 and also carry and shoot well a SP101 in 32H&R mag. I do from time to time carry a derringer, one in 22mag , the other in 32 H&R mag. Again something is better then nothing but shot placement seems to be the key as much as caliber.
APEXDUCK
Yes stopping power is important. Control is more important. If you can't hit what your shooting at, it makes no difference what you shoot. I carry and shoot well a 1911 and also carry and shoot well a SP101 in 32H&R mag. I do from time to time carry a derringer, one in 22mag , the other in 32 H&R mag. Again something is better then nothing but shot placement seems to be the key as much as caliber.
APEXDUCK
