speaking of stupid people

[blume357]

I won't even venture into the gloom and doom that the weather channel is promoting with the rain we are getting and going to get here in S.C. but I will say they just showed a live picture of a street in Charleston .... where the water was over a foot deep and cars or going by .. .then they showed a guy getting out of his stalled car and wadding through... i had to rewind the dvr receiver just to make sure of what I saw... guy was bare footed...

So, you try to get out of town away from the flood in your car (I presume) or maybe just headed around the corner for an extra pack of cigarettes.... but you go out in a storm with a foot of water in the streets with out shoes on? Or even worse the guy took them off to go wading back home? I really don't wish it... but these are the kinds of folks that get sucked down storm drains.

 

[wunbe]

God's little way of improving the gene pool?

wunbe

 

[Fox Mike]

He probably didn't want to get his shoes wet. :roll: :roll: :)

 

[blume357]

The guy while getting out of the car and wading kept trying to roll up his pants legs.. even after they both rolled back down and got wet...... another funny part was when he walked back to the car and tried to push it.... with it obviously still in gear....

 

[contender]

Hey,, I'd be barefoot,,,, as I am today. But,,, I'm normally barefoot & wading in water.

 

[blume357]

Maybe he's your cousin Contender..... I forgot about you having tough feet....

here's a link to the video....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l3je_Banw0&feature=youtu.be

another thing I noticed.... do you think when he does come back or goes to the impound yard to get his car, that it will crank up? he better bring a booster battery with him.

 

[FastEd]

Statistics say only 20% of all the nuts are in the Hospital.

 

[pete44ru]

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I sorta liked the (very) short video of someone who just exited a deep puddle with his new-ish car - whereupon he opened the driver's door, and a miniature waterfall ensued, rushing out of the bottom of the door opening onto the street.

IMO, the folks that get stuck trying to cross whatever flooding ought to receive a summons/citation for being a waste of oxygen.


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[graygun]

Every time it rains enough to flood around here,the news will report sweep-away deaths.

 

[DeletedMember275]

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I sorta liked the (very) short video of someone who just exited a deep puddle with his new-ish car - whereupon he opened the driver's door, and a miniature waterfall ensued, rushing out of the bottom of the door opening onto the street.

IMO, the folks that get stuck trying to cross whatever flooding ought to receive a summons/citation for being a waste of oxygen.

Here in Arizona they get a bill for pulling their car out of the water. It's called the 'Stupid Motorist' law.

 

[Pat-inCO]

... but these are the kinds of folks that get sucked down storm drains.

Stupid SHOULD hurt. :roll:

 

[Bud0505]

I won't even venture into the gloom and doom that the weather channel is promoting with the rain we are getting and going to get here in S.C. but I will say they just showed a live picture of a street in Charleston .... where the water was over a foot deep and cars or going by .. .then they showed a guy getting out of his stalled car and wadding through... i had to rewind the dvr receiver just to make sure of what I saw... guy was bare footed...

So, you try to get out of town away from the flood in your car (I presume) or maybe just headed around the corner for an extra pack of cigarettes.... but you go out in a storm with a foot of water in the streets with out shoes on? Or even worse the guy took them off to go wading back home? I really don't wish it... but these are the kinds of folks that get sucked down storm drains.

It's really hard to wade in deep water wearing flip flops.

 

[bogus bill]

Un, how do you know?

 

[volshooter]

We were in Charlestown last week at Patriot point, looking the Yorktown over. The pictures showing the flooding makes me sad. It's a beautiful city.
but stupid is as stupid does
When we get flooded roads around here they quickly put up signs blocking the road. Still folks drive around them with predictable results. Now that is funny.

 

[Jimbo357mag]

How about the captain that sailed his 790 foot long container ship with 33 people onboard right into a cat 4 hurricane. :(

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/10/03/cargo-ship-hurricane-joaquin-missing-coast-guard/73279228/

 

[tinman]

Back when I was younger, all of the really stupid ones only showed up in the paper or on tv....."burglar gets caught in chimney, fire department responds to couple that handcuffed themselves to the bed"....... But, since Algore invented the interweb, now you can now find any degree of stupidity you want......."guy rides bicycle off cliff with hold a running chainsaw", "girl sets her own hoo-ha on fire", "grandma sticks firecracker up her nose on a dare"......you name it, we got it.
And the sad part is......we keep doing this stuff in front of cameras. :cry:

 

[Jimbo357mag]

Back when I was younger, all of the really stupid ones only showed up in the paper or on tv....."burglar gets caught in chimney, fire department responds to couple that handcuffed themselves to the bed"....... But, since Algore invented the interweb, now you can now find any degree of stupidity you want......."guy rides bicycle off cliff with hold a running chainsaw", "girl sets her own hoo-ha on fire", "grandma sticks firecracker up her nose on a dare"......you name it, we got it.
And the sad part is......we keep doing this stuff in front of cameras. :cry:

+1 ...and throughout history there have always been people going over the falls so to speak. "Hey watch me knock this fruit off my buddy's head with this club". :D :D

 

[wolfsong]

How about the captain that sailed his 790 foot long container ship with 33 people onboard right into a cat 4 hurricane. :(

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/10/03/cargo-ship-hurricane-joaquin-missing-coast-guard/73279228/

It was categorized as a tropical storm when the ship left port Tuesday. It developed into a Cat IV while the ship was out to sea and past the point of no return, so to speak.

 

[Fox Mike]

How about the captain that sailed his 790 foot long container ship with 33 people onboard right into a cat 4 hurricane. :(

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/10/03/cargo-ship-hurricane-joaquin-missing-coast-guard/73279228/

It was categorized as a tropical storm when the ship left port Tuesday. It developed into a Cat IV while the ship was out to sea and past the point of no return, so to speak.

Last I heard they had a radio, a radar, and a rudder on board. Better to use a little extra fuel than die would be my thought. Obviously the Captain didn't think that way.

 

[blume357]

I read the USA today article and it is a hard one to call.... my first thought was ... you are driving that big monster ship.... don't really know which direction that big pile of wind is really going to turn and with the entire U.S. on your starboard (lee shore) and a whole lot of little rocks (various Islands) off in all directions other wise... which way do you go? Keep in mind that's kind of like a Grizzly Bear coming at you that can run 30 miles an hour and the best you can do on a good day is 15. It sounds like they ran into mechanical problems too and that kind of limits which way you can run.

 

[Colonialgirl]

I read the USA today article and it is a hard one to call.... my first thought was ... you are driving that big monster ship.... don't really know which direction that big pile of wind is really going to turn and with the entire U.S. on your starboard (lee shore) and a whole lot of little rocks (various Islands) off in all directions other wise... which way do you go? Keep in mind that's kind of like a Grizzly Bear coming at you that can run 30 miles an hour and the best you can do on a good day is 15. It sounds like they ran into mechanical problems too and that kind of limits which way you can run.

That was my impression too !!

Heck, when we sailed back from Morocco (Was French Morocco in them days) aboard a US Navy transport, we got caught in the tail end of a hurricane. Them giant swells were HIGHER than the enclosed observation deck; That would have been aboard the USNS Geiger in the second half of 1953.

 

[Jimbo357mag]

The weather forecasting of the hurricane path was spot on and available from many sources. It took maybe a day longer to start moving North-East than they expected otherwise it just hovered in that area for several days, increasing in strength, and the ship sailed right into it. Don't try to say the storm was unpredictable.
We were less than 400 miles from the storm and never thought about it threatening South Florida. The ship could have/should have taken a different route to Puerto Rico.

 

[FastEd]

I've seen flash floods in and around Sarasota where with two feet of water in the street alligators were swimming back and forth. Try that barefooted.

 

[volshooter]

Someone help me out. I thought ships went to sea before a storm because it was safer than the rocks.
I agree they could have taken a better route. Very unfortunate for them and their families. I bet someone blames the NRA for this tragedy.
Sorry for the last line, it was inappropriate in light of the loss.

 

[tinman]

Someone help me out. I thought ships went to sea before a storm because it was safer than the rocks.
I agree they could have taken a better route. Very unfortunate for them and their families. I bet someone blames the NRA for this tragedy.
Sorry for the last line, it was inappropriate in light of the loss.

I heard a report that the ship had lost power. While it is true that those ships can do better at sea than in port, it requires that they have power to maneuver.

 

[wolfsong]

The weather forecasting of the hurricane path was spot on and available from many sources. It took maybe a day longer to start moving North-East than they expected otherwise it just hovered in that area for several days, increasing in strength, and the ship sailed right into it. Don't try to say the storm was unpredictable.
We were less than 400 miles from the storm and never thought about it threatening South Florida. The ship could have/should have taken a different route to Puerto Rico.

Again, there was no hurricane when the ship left port. It was classified as a tropical storm. Don't try to say that a tropical storm is a hurricane.

 

[exavid]

Most any vessel large or small will lie abeam to the seas without power. With the deep rolling a ship in that condition will do it's very likely some of the cargo could shift and cause dangerous listing. A fifteen degree list as the ship reported isn't good but not dangerous in calm water, but she wasn't in calm water. With a list, which would normally be toward the lee side the vessel would roll much deeper to that direction scooping up a lot of seawater. Without power pumps quit and the intake of water would soon be dangerous. If you've seen pictures of this ship you'd notice there are several openings below the top deck that would take on water rapidly. If you're a ship master familiar with a vessel of this type in heavy conditions by all means comment. Otherwise your opinions are pretty worthless.

I wouldn't be so quick to cast aspersions on a captain's decisions when I wasn't there or didn't know squat about ship handling.

 

[Jimbo357mag]

Best and most knowledgeable post on this matter yet. Thank you.

A guy I know through surfing is rated and licensed to captain huge cargo ships like this. He says that there
are considerations and factors involved that will never be discussed publicly on TV, hence, every armchair idiot
gets to be a quarterback. Kinda like the guy with a Zebco, standing on the rocks, yelling fishing advice to the veteran
charter boat captain about how to catch 'em as the boat heads out. Makes the fool with the Zebco feel like he's smart,
but he's just displaying his pitiful lack of knowledge to all around. - DixieBoy

Again and again this edit:(guy) does his insulting posts about another member. Has he nothing better to do? What kind of sick person does that? :?

This is what I said.
How about the captain that sailed his 790 foot long container ship with 33 people onboard right into a cat 4 hurricane. :(

Oh btw, read the story and see if you think I have been blowing hot air or what. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/10/05/daughters-last-message-from-el-faro-there-is-a-hurricane-out-here-and-we-are-heading-straight-into-it/

Last message from El Faro: ‘There is a hurricane out here and we are heading straight into it’

quote> On Thursday morning, Laurie Bobillot received what she prayed were not her daughter’s final words.

“Not sure if you’ve been following the weather at all,” wrote her daughter, Danielle Randolph, from aboard the American container ship El Faro, “but there is a hurricane out here and we are heading straight into it.”

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(also) Some of the questions have been directed toward TOTE and its decision to have Davidson and El Faro head directly into a developing storm.

“Normally my husband tells me that they have a different route that they take to go around the storm,” Rochelle Hamm, wife of missing crew member Frank Hamm, told USA Today. “I don’t know why they didn’t steer the ship in a different direction. This is totally unacceptable.”

Others have wondered whether the ship’s top-heavy arrangement — with 391 containers topside and 293 vehicles below, according to USA Today — contributed to a potential capsizing. <end quote

 

[stevemb]

A large commercial vessel is on a schedule. Once at sea, it can do little to outrun or avoid weather. It has always been so. Nobody prays more than sailors. God bless them and keep them safe.

 

[wolfsong]

Best and most knowledgeable post on this matter yet. Thank you.

A guy I know through surfing is rated and licensed to captain huge cargo ships like this. He says that there
are considerations and factors involved that will never be discussed publicly on TV, hence, every armchair idiot
gets to be a quarterback. Kinda like the guy with a Zebco, standing on the rocks, yelling fishing advice to the veteran
charter boat captain about how to catch 'em as the boat heads out. Makes the fool with the Zebco feel like he's smart,
but he's just displaying his pitiful lack of knowledge to all around. - DixieBoy

Again and again this edit:(guy) does his insulting posts about another member. Has he nothing better to do? What kind of sick person does that? :?

This is what I said.
How about the captain that sailed his 790 foot long container ship with 33 people onboard right into a cat 4 hurricane. :(

Oh btw, read the story and see if you think I have been blowing hot air or what. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/10/05/daughters-last-message-from-el-faro-there-is-a-hurricane-out-here-and-we-are-heading-straight-into-it/

Last message from El Faro: ‘There is a hurricane out here and we are heading straight into it’

quote> On Thursday morning, Laurie Bobillot received what she prayed were not her daughter’s final words.

“Not sure if you’ve been following the weather at all,” wrote her daughter, Danielle Randolph, from aboard the American container ship El Faro, “but there is a hurricane out here and we are heading straight into it.”

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(also) Some of the questions have been directed toward TOTE and its decision to have Davidson and El Faro head directly into a developing storm.

“Normally my husband tells me that they have a different route that they take to go around the storm,” Rochelle Hamm, wife of missing crew member Frank Hamm, told USA Today. “I don’t know why they didn’t steer the ship in a different direction. This is totally unacceptable.”

Others have wondered whether the ship’s top-heavy arrangement — with 391 containers topside and 293 vehicles below, according to USA Today — contributed to a potential capsizing. <end quote

Did you read the entire article that you quoted from? On Wednesday the captain reported thst he had good weather. On Thursday the storm took a turn of a hundred miles and came right at the ship. One authority even stated that such a change of course by the storm was "amazing".

This captain was not stupid. He did not leave port and purposely sail his ship into a Category IV hurricane. The facts of this tragedy do not support your original contention nor your subsequent attempts at shoehorning the facts to fit your errant claim.