Sav-a-tree?

[Bob Wright]

Folks commented recently about reducing paper instructions in order to save the trees.

Save the trees? Paper companies own much of the land in Tennessee. This land is in reality a tree farm. Trees are planted and grown as any other crop. And the woodland provides wildlife habitat for deer, squirrels, rabbits, 'coons, and, yes, even skunks. And the paper companies offer hunting permits and open up those lands to hunters.

And that pulpwood provides jobs to truckers and trucking companies, lumberjacks and sawyers who cut, trim and haul that wood to the mills. And those mills provide jobs to mill workers. Even engineering firms and contractors benefit from having those mills in operation, as they often require maintenance and modernizing. And those firms that manufacture the machines required to handle logs from the receiving, debarking, and other process equipment to turn wood pulp into finished paper products.

Records? I like mine printed on paper, filed in manila folders and placed in my file boxes. We live mighty well with paper.

Bob Wright

 

[Johnnu2]

AMEN BROTHER........

Alas, we older folk won't be around forever to help the youngsters with our wisdom.

I'll take mine in PAPER thank-you.

J.

 

[Jimbo357mag]

Trees are one of our greatest renewable resources. But forestry management is rather complicated. And there is good and bad to consider.

 

[contender]

It's funny you brought this up.

Several years ago,, a piece of property here was clear-cut, and it kinda caused a mild uproar among some of the folks around here. I got an anonymous email about it. Basically the sender kept pushing about how "the mountain way of life" was being ruined by clear cutting. About the 3rd comment about the mountain way of life,, I boiled over.
As a native here,, I pointed out that the sender was obviously an "imported transplant from somewhere else" because I KNEW much more about the mountain way of life.

I replied in fairly stern terms about how the mountain way of life was; (1) not sticking your nose in anybody's business, (2) how we had no right telling someone else how manage their land, (3) that the mountain way of life was logging & moonshining long before it was golf courses, condos, concrete, & asphalt, (5) how all the fancy houses were built in places that had to have lumber cut, AND lumber was used to build these houses, (6) how many other things were wasteful of paper products, (7) and especially how a piece of land, once clearcut, & even if left alone, Mother Nature would repair it & cause new growth, as well as superb wildlife habitat, and that the same could not be said for manicured lawns, golf courses, paved driveways, & all the houses.
I finished my email with the following; "And if you still don't like clear cutting,, wipe your butt with plastic toilet paper."

The sender replied with an honest apology, and said I pointed out many things they had not thought about.

BTW, what I shared above was a much shorter version of what I sent them.


I have seen many places that were logged, & never replanted or whatever. Yet,, they have grown into nice forests. In fact,, my own property,, was clear cut in 1983. You can NOT tell it right now. Plenty of excellent timber growth, as well as wildlife all over it. Heck, I even get letters from loggers wanting to log my property again.

 

[jimd441]

"And if you still don't like clear cutting,, wipe your butt with plastic toilet paper." :lol: :lol:

Jim

 

[Igor]

Folks commented recently about reducing paper instructions in order to save the trees.

Save the trees? Paper companies own much of the land in Tennessee. This land is in reality a tree farm. Trees are planted and grown as any other crop. And the woodland provides wildlife habitat for deer, squirrels, rabbits, 'coons, and, yes, even skunks. And the paper companies offer hunting permits and open up those lands to hunters.

And that pulpwood provides jobs to truckers and trucking companies, lumberjacks and sawyers who cut, trim and haul that wood to the mills. And those mills provide jobs to mill workers. Even engineering firms and contractors benefit from having those mills in operation, as they often require maintenance and modernizing. And those firms that manufacture the machines required to handle logs from the receiving, debarking, and other process equipment to turn wood pulp into finished paper products.

Records? I like mine printed on paper, filed in manila folders and placed in my file boxes. We live mighty well with paper.

Bob Wright

 

[mr surveyor]

plastic toilet paper? PlASTIC? Isn't most plastic made from byproducts left from refining oil into that nasty gasoline? Earth destroying Hydrocarbons! AAAARRRRGGGGG

find some nice leaves and grass


idiots will be idiots



jd

 

[bobski]

MANAGED farms....NOT virgin forests.

and most of all....NOT clear cutting for strip malls and mc'mansion burbs.

 

[A.J.]

My wife and I retired to a 65 acre parcel that hasn't been logged since 1890. Many of those beautiful white pines, red pines, cottonwoods and white oaks were uprooted and broken in half during a huge storm in August. I'm still cleaning up the damage.

Logging isn't necessarily a bad thing if it's well managed.

 

[blume357]

I grew up in pulp wood country... it was later in life that I actually realized those forest were just fields with a crop of trees in them.

For years my wife's family had a mountain house they had built in the early 70's 15 miles north west of Asheville N.C. up on a mountain developed by mostly folks from Florida... these were vacation homes... who in their right mind would want to stay in Florida in the Summer? Back about 2010 one of the original folks up there did a slide show of the early days when houses were being built.... I could not believe it the mountain was bare.. no trees seems the folks that sold the land had been farming it and growing tomatoes ... now in 2010 it was all forest with big 2ft diameter poplar trees everywhere.... and some good size oak and hickory too.

I was walking the ridge one time and ran into two guys (farmers) from the other side of the mountain who had some bear dogs and were looking for a bear that had come down and killed a calf. I asked them who had lived there all their life how they felt about these new folks coming up on the mountain... the guy laughed and said the mountain did not care... none of us had been there that long and it, the mountain, would be here a lot longer than any of us. This man from the mountains was basically pointing out that the planet is laughing at humans and our limited view of life and time.

 

[eveled]

When I was in school around 1980. I was told that Massachusetts was 80% forest 20% cleared land.

In 1880 it was the opposite. 80% cleared 20% forest.

My gun club has farm tax status because they harvest trees every 10 years or so.

Trees grow back, responsible forestry is a real good thing for sure.

 

[Jeepnik]

Sadly many / most of the folks who complain and those who now control regulating things like logging are degreed “professionals” with little actual experience in nature.

Growing up a ranger or bunny cop was most often someone who grew up enjoying the outdoors. That started to change in the 70’s and by the 90’s you’d be hard pressed to find true outdoorsmen in those jobs.

This change added to the current ever increasing separation of most city dwellers from the natural world has resulted in a significant lack of understanding of how things work outside urban areas. It’s likely to not get any better with the misinformation kids receive in school today.

 

[Colonialgirl]

In the mid 70's while working toward my degree I took a course called "Man and His Environment" Taught by a PhD who had intelligence; During the class, he pointed out that there was MORE forest lands and trees THEN than when the pilgrims landed and I can recall the areas in PA where my Aunt and Grandmother lived where there were stone walls surrounding forested areas that once upon a time been cleared farm land.

 

[blume357]

I grew up in pulp wood country... it was later in life that I actually realized those forest were just fields with a crop of trees in them.

For years my wife's family had a mountain house they had built in the early 70's 15 miles north west of Asheville N.C. up on a mountain developed by mostly folks from Florida... these were vacation homes... who in their right mind would want to stay in Florida in the Summer? Back about 2010 one of the original folks up there did a slide show of the early days when houses were being built.... I could not believe it the mountain was bare.. no trees seems the folks that sold the land had been farming it and growing tomatoes ... now in 2010 it was all forest with big 2ft diameter poplar trees everywhere.... and some good size oak and hickory too.

I was walking the ridge one time and ran into two guys (farmers) from the other side of the mountain who had some bear dogs and were looking for a bear that had come down and killed a calf. I asked them who had lived there all their life how they felt about these new folks coming up on the mountain... the guy laughed and said the mountain did not care... none of us had been there that long and it, the mountain, would be here a lot longer than any of us. This man from the mountains was basically pointing out that the planet is laughing at humans and our limited view of life and time.

Oh and here is another little interesting fact that we current humans fail to grasp.. when Europeans first came to South Carolina the middle of what is now the state and into much of N.C. was actually prairie. Buffalo and Elk were on it... how was this? Seems the indigenous people burned off this prairie every couple of years to keep trees from growing and thus allowed the big grazing critters to be 'harvested'.

 

[Pat-inCO]

I'm sure a few in CA will not like this but when you let the forests grow, unchecked,
as many areas in CA are, look at what happens. Forest FIRES! - - - Nature takes
over and clears out the excess.

I don't know about you, but I would MUCH rather have the forests RESPONSIBLY
managed, than to see thousands of acres (including many homes and businesses)
wiped out. - - - Granted, once the forest is burned down, it will re-grow. But why not
manage the forests (I think they call it FIRE MITIGATION :roll: ), so it is a much
less destructive process?

 

[Colonialgirl]

I'm sure a few in CA will not like this but when you let the forests grow, unchecked,
as many areas in CA are, look at what happens. Forest FIRES! - - - Nature takes
over and clears out the excess.

I don't know about you, but I would MUCH rather have the forests RESPONSIBLY
managed, than to see thousands of acres (including many homes and businesses)
wiped out. - - - Granted, once the forest is burned down, it will re-grow. But why not
manage the forests (I think they call it FIRE MITIGATION :roll: ), so it is a much
less destructive process?

They learned THAT many years ago here in Florida !!

 

[toysoldier]

In the mid 70's while working toward my degree I took a course called "Man and His Environment" Taught by a PhD who had intelligence; During the class, he pointed out that there was MORE forest lands and trees THEN than when the pilgrims landed and I can recall the areas in PA where my Aunt and Grandmother lived where there were stone walls surrounding forested areas that once upon a time been cleared farm land.

This may be true for some areas, but the area from the Appalachians to the Mississippi, and the Great Lakes to the Gulf coast was once mostly forest. It was reported that thousands of squirrels would periodically migrate hundreds of miles through the treetops.

 

[wolfsong]

There are more trees in the U.S. today than there was 100 years ago.

 

[jimd441]

There are tree farms in Eastern N.C. and S.C. that grow loblolly and longleaf pines (my wife sarcastically asked why anyone would voluntarily plant these trees - she hates them). Weyerhaeuser has a sign on one of the farms (at least as of a couple of years ago) claiming that they plant 3 trees for every one harvested. I don't know what the attrition rate is for these trees, but the point is that there are good forestry management practices, which if followed, allow for sustainable harvesting of a renewable resource.

Jim

 

[kmoore]

I saved a lot of trees in my time. I cut up downed timber and saved them for a year or two before placing them in a wood stove. Hey, actually I just recycled them, even the ashes went back into the ground. I get a gold star.

 

[Pat-inCO]

Only somewhat related:

Have a buddy in CO that lives in the forested area West of Ft. Collins. He has had
multiple fires in his area, but none of them were more than an annoyance. Why?
Because he has done a good job with fire mitigation. Good enough that the last
fire in his area, one of the crews fighting the fire staged on his property. - - - They
asked if it was OK (I'll bet you know the answer) and he asked whey they decided
on his place. The answer was "if the fire gets here, yours is the only one in this
area that we can save."
(They were happy with the cold water and soda pop, and the hot coffee)

 

[mistermills357]

I was born and raised in WV, which must have a billion trees covering it.

Some time ago, a paper mill was proposed, and it was hooted down. I honestly don't think people know how things work in real life.

They have fanciful notions of how things should work, but lack insight. If you ask someone, how is toilet paper made? They don't know.

If it is there on the store shelves when they need it, then the world is working OK, for them.

They are that shallow.

 

[kramden]

With the collapse of newspapers I can only imagine how many trees that saves. I remember as a kid the mountains of old newspapers some folks would have in their garages etc.

 

[Coogs]

SAB-SAT..........Shoot A Beaver.......Save A Tree!.....(sorry, just had to do it) :shock: :shock:

 

[trebor44]

So, when I was a wee lad, I use to read the Sunday comic section (multiple pages) and followed the escapades of characters that predated the Marvel stuff. Kept me entertained for hours. The newspapers dated back to the forties and were very well preserved in the mountainous stacks.

Fast forward to today and the Sav-a-tree mentality, while farmlands are being developed into sub-divisions and commercial whatevers! Kind of an oxymoron to save a tree!

 

[Selena]

We burn wood for house heating. For every tree we cut a sapling is planted for the grandchildren to use to keep warm. This has been going on since 1866 and the 23.6 acres in woodlot(s) haven't changed in all those years. Yet the SJW(s) tell me I'm evil for not saving trees. They get annoyed when asked what they have done.

 

[powder smoke]

No shortage of trees for pulp in theses parts, matter of fact Great Northern Paper owns large tracks of land with pulp growing on everyone.
I will say many Mainers have had good paying jobs working in Paper Mills Saw Mills and timber harvest. Without the paper and pulp business
Maine would be hurting big time! lots of folks benefit from Great Northern! ps