Ruger Mountain Gun?

P94/GP100 said:
I much prefer Ruger's sturdiness and ease of field-stripping to comparable Smith & Wesson alternatives.

I never thought much of the field stripping of a revolver till I bought a Sec Six and found out how easy it could be.

Getting inside one {actually a Redhawk} became a necessity, and easy it was...with no buggered sideplate screws to-boot!!

Great point, Jon.
 
If you are in really rough country, with bear or big hog- there is nothing quite like a 4 5/8" Super Blackhawk. Beyond rugged, reasonable weight and hard hitting.
 
EVR said:
Sgt Garcia said:
Seems to me the simple solution would be to buy the S&W mountain gun, at least that was my solution. I can’t think of anything better other than a custom....and that would probably start with a Smith.

JMO

Dennis.

I owned one, as did a good friend. We sold them.

I will never buy another Smith with a key lock. My friend's failed and tied up his .44 and he had to send it back to S&W to get "unjammed".

I hate that lock and won't every look at another Smith with it until I find some sort of aftermarket whatever to replace it with an "inert" blank of some sort.

I guess I don’t know a single gun savvy person that thinks an internal lock on any gun is a good idea. My mountain guns don’t have them and if I feel the need for another I will simply search out a no lock gun. When I needed another 642 Smith for CC I bought one w/o the lock, a current catalog item. I do own some Smiths with locks that I use for competition and have fired several thousand rounds thru them with out any problems.

The main reason I go to S&W for my DA revolvers is I use them 98% of the time in DA mode and simply put, no one has a better DA trigger than S&W.

Dennis.
 
I like the GP100 design...but HATE the full length lug!! I love the Redhawks and their 1/2lugs - but I missed out on getting a GP100 4" with 1/2 lug. Maybe if I wait another 10-15 years, Ruger will swing back around to a 1/2 lug model........maybe !
 
S&W ought to take a hint and eliminate the lock entirely. If they insist on a safety, they already have it in their Centinial models- a grip safety like the 1911 and I havent heard a single complaint about that model. I still dont believe in locks on DA revolvers, but at least the grip safety is something I can live with and should not affect proper operation of the gun.
 
surveyor47 said:
S&W ought to take a hint and eliminate the lock entirely. If they insist on a safety, they already have it in their Centinial models- a grip safety like the 1911 and I havent heard a single complaint about that model. I still dont believe in locks on DA revolvers, but at least the grip safety is something I can live with and should not affect proper operation of the gun.

It seems S&W is listening and will be offering more no lock guns in 2011. I’m thinking eventually they will offer all their revolvers with or without locks as they do with some models now.

Dennis.
 
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About a year ago, I saw a new, blued GP100 at my dealer's shop with a 6" barrel and a short underlug. I was tempted to buy it but did not because I already had a stainless GP100. So they are out there. Talk to your dealer, and cruise Gunbroker.com.
 
Just thought of another aspect here, and one that is more important to me..and that is: a light barrel option WITH a fully adjustable rear sight...windage and ELEVATION..what a concept..when coupled with a tall enough front sight capable of handling all of the available bullet weights in a given caliber...it would make for a truly great revolver. Rodfac
 
EVR,
I, for one, think your idea is appealing. I like the tapered barrels on some of the S&W guns. Had they built the original Model 57 .41 Magnum that way, it might have been more popular. I'd step right up for a Redhawk with a tapered 4 or 5-inch barrel.
 
TR;

I like it.

Or an 8-shot Redhawk .357 with tapered bbl!!
 
EVR said:
TR;

I like it.

Or an 8-shot Redhawk .357 with tapered bbl!!
On the subject of a light carrying "trapper" revolver....I was thinking a 4 5/8" Single Six in 32 H&R converted to 327 magnum.....adjustable sight model of course. Or even just leave it in 32 H&R and load it hot....will work fine.
 
Jimbo357mag said:
If weight is your major concern go with Titanium. Otherwise.
These make fine field/camping/woods guns. :shock: :D

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...just my opinion Jimbo

As far as I'm conccerned, the 4" Redhawk in 44 magnum is "Mountain Gun" equivalent enough for me.
 
Here's my recipe...

Buy a .44 Magnum Vaquero with a 4 5/8" barrel and replace the steel grip frame and steel ejector rod housing with aluminum ones. Don't want to replace parts? Just buy a 4 5/8" .41 Mag Blackhawk and be done with it.

Unc.
 
I get tingly all over when I think of getting a NM SBH stainless w/4 5/8" bbl

I'd round the grips just a little bit along with anything else that bites me and put it in some good leather.

A Woooooooooooods gun!!! :mrgreen:

Bud (knuckles)
 
deac45 said:
Jimbo357mag said:
If weight is your major concern go with Titanium. Otherwise.
These make fine field/camping/woods guns. :shock: :D

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...just my opinion Jimbo

I wish Ruger would mate those two and give us a Redhawk with the GP/Super Redhawk grip. Add a 4" tapered barrell and I would be in heaven!

deac45

I also wish for a GP100 with a slim barrel and a Redhawk with the new grip design and trigger spring.

Come on Ruger, just leave them in the kennel together and let nature take it's course.
 
Rodfac said:
Just thought of another aspect here, and one that is more important to me..and that is: a light barrel option WITH a fully adjustable rear sight...windage and ELEVATION..what a concept..when coupled with a tall enough front sight capable of handling all of the available bullet weights in a given caliber...it would make for a truly great revolver. Rodfac

S&W makes a 3" M60 w/ a fully adj. rear sight. Sweet little guns with lots of grip options available. However, IMNSHO, over priced for the level of craftsmanship demonstrated in todays S&W's. An SP101 in such a configuration would be a great packin' pistol.
 
This should make it a little lighter!! - "GP 100 .44 Special- I will once again offer this conversion on adjustable and fixed sight guns. Standard features include 5 shot recessed casehead cyl. - unfluted, rebored factory barrel, new front sight blade, and action tune. $1250
Standard finish on stainless guns is beadblast or satin brushed. Blue guns will be matte or blued with a factory equivalent polish.
I have done several in the past. Guns will be able to shoot a 250 gr. bullet @ 1200 fps." - David Clements web sight! Less weight, more power, and accurate, right down my alley!
 
I agree with the OP. I have owned S&W Mountain Guns in 41mag, 44mag, and 45colt, as well as my current favorite double action revolver - a S&W 22-4 Thunder Ranch 45acp revolver with a 4" tapered barrel, square butt grip frame, and fixed sights. Even though these revolvers aren't suited for a steady diet of mega loads, they are plenty strong enough for the potent cartridges they are each chambered in. And, they are reasonably light, and no bigger than necessary for the task they perform, and perform well.

Ruger's double action revolvers tend to be, in my opinion, heavier than necessary for normal loadings of the cartridges they are chambered in (with the possible exception of the Super Redhawk, which has to handle 454, and 480 - no small task). I love the Redhawk, GP100, and SP101, but it would be nice to have a line of Ruger revolvers that were better matched to their cartridges (I mean standard loading here, not highest possible loading). I enjoy taking a Redhawk to the range to soak up some heavy loads, but not for an all-day hike covering 15 miles and a total cumulative elevational change of 6000 or 7000 ft. Just my opinion, but unless you need the heavy loads for a specific purpose, why not load with something more managable. And if I don't need all that bulk and weight for standard pressure loads, why carry a gun sized for the hotter stuff.

Ruger seems to produce DA revolvers on both ends of the spectrum, but none in the middle. Even the SP101 seems heavy for it's intended purpose. Why make an extremely heavy carry revolver and a super light carry revolver but nothing for the average Joe in the middle. The Speed Six was a nicely sized revolver, as was the Security Six and Service Six. It would be really nice if Ruger produced 44special, 45colt, and 45acp DA revolvers that were suited to normal factory loads in these cartridges. Tapered barrels without the full underlug, GP100 type grips, adjustable sights and less metal overall so that the guns were lighter and less bulky.

I think Ruger's SA revovlers are just right. They offer the New Vaquero in the slimmer, lighter form, as well as the Blackhawk and Super Blackhawk that are beefy enough to handle heavy loads without feeling cumbersome or awkward. If all that steel isn't necessary for strength, how about removing some of it on a few DA models. I certainly appreciate the current models, and hope they remain in production forever. It would be nice to add to the lineup for those of us who prefer something that tastes great but is less filling.
 
A GP-100 fixed sight 4" model should be close to the weight of a 4" Sec.6 (I would guess within 1-2 oz). Aside from the lighter barrel the top strap appears to be a bit thinner than the adj. sight models. A 4" Sec. 6 late model should weigh about 36 oz. As a comparison my 686 Mtn. Gun weighs 35.5 oz per S&W and a GP-100 4" adj. sight model about 41.5 oz.

Jim Stroh does (or used to) make custom barrels for guns that are not tapered but would use a thin profile with top rib and ejector shroud. I agree that it would nice if Ruger would come out with some lighter renditions of their models but a lot of the weight resides also in the frame and cylinders. The GP, e.g., could benefit by being offered in a 7 shot rendition to take some weight out of the cylinder.
 
Sorry for this guys ! First of all, let me say, I am a Ruger fan, first & foremost. But, as most of us here, I do own a few other brands for specific purposes. It may draw some criticism, but in my opinion, there is no better "hiking or trail .357" than the older Smith Model 66. At least none that I've found. I used to be able to carry it along camping, hiking or biking, & almost forget it was there ! Although I no longer am able to hike, bicycle or camp, I still consider the 66 a really great handgun, & wouldn't be without it.
Right caliber & almost perfect weight & balance, with perhaps, the addition of a little more compact grip !



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I have to agree with you 41 magnum. The S&W 66 is one of the best carry guns there is.

John
 

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