Reloading ammo the Pakistani way [a.k.a.-"Reloading For Dummies!"]

Very nice. do you cast as well?
No I do not cast, as I prefer Lehigh Defense's monolithic copper bullets for both hunting and defense.
I use their .452" 220 grain Maximum Expansion, .452" 220 grain Xtreme Defense, and their .452" 250 grain Xtreme Penetrators so far.
I have bought some of their .452" 135 grain Xtreme Defense bullets just to see what they'll do but I normally prefer heavier bullets to get a job done right the first go around.
I will some day buy a small lathe and turn out some .452" 220 grain solid silver bullets, not that I would be shooting them other than when working up of a safe load.
 
No I do not cast, as I prefer Lehigh Defense's monolithic copper bullets for both hunting and defense.
I use their .452" 220 grain Maximum Expansion, .452" 220 grain Xtreme Defense, and their .452" 250 grain Xtreme Penetrators so far.
I have bought some of their .452" 135 grain Xtreme Defense bullets just to see what they'll do but I normally prefer heavier bullets to get a job done right the first go around.
I will some day buy a small lathe and turn out some .452" 220 grain solid silver bullets, not that I would be shooting them other than when working up of a safe load.
I have cast bullets for years, have a few guns that have never seen factory rounds. just an observation by your posts you seem like a person in search of perfection, which of course is impossible. however you can try to get close. I think you would find enjoyment in making your own bullets. you can find molds for about any bullet you want to shoot and with a little research you can find the proper hardness for that recipe. IMHO reading your posts you should consider this. I would be more than happy to assist if you want. I melt down wheel weights, add solder or antimony and cast bullets from 32cal to sabots for shotguns or muzzleloaders
 
I have cast bullets for years, have a few guns that have never seen factory rounds. just an observation by your posts you seem like a person in search of perfection, which of course is impossible. however you can try to get close. I think you would find enjoyment in making your own bullets. you can find molds for about any bullet you want to shoot and with a little research you can find the proper hardness for that recipe. IMHO reading your posts you should consider this. I would be more than happy to assist if you want. I melt down wheel weights, add solder or antimony and cast bullets from 32cal to sabots for shotguns or muzzleloaders
I thank you for the offer, but as you noted I am a bit anal when it comes to the bullets I use. I like the idea of solid copper as opposed to lead. So far the guns I have at this point are virgins to lead and I'd like to keep it that way. If I ever did cast some bullets for the experience I would want to shoot them in the person's gun that let me use their casting facility. Maybe save a few back for the display shelf.

I at one time though to cast my own silver bullets until I studied up on the process [way to much involved in getting them not to have worm holes]. So I looked into getting either sterling or 99.7/99.9/99.99/99.999 pure silver rods that are .50" diameter and decided that turning them out on a lathe down to .452" was far easier and better than casting wonky ones. The trick would be figuring out which purity would be best for not silver fouling the barrel. Just taking a guess it seems to me that sterling silver would have the best Brinell hardness for the application. These would basically be used for a formal formal dining/wedding/Bar-B-Q gun of sorts. They would never see action unless SHTF thereof. I figure on getting a SS Ruger New Vaquero with white pearl grips, chambered in (you guest it) .45 Colt. Or an 1879 five shot Tranter chambered in .45 cal. Either one would be dedicated to silver bullets alone.

Otherwise the Lehigh Defense line of solid copper bullets fit my fancy for defense rounds against both two and for legged opponents.

I prefer a S&W XVR with a 14" barrel converted to a 5 shot revolving carbine, by pin and welding a 2-3" muzzle break and adding a custom butt stock, chambered in .460 magnum for hunting. Again with the .452" solid coppers Lehigh Defense bullets.

I also have a SS Taurus Judge 3" magnum which is for .410 shot-shells varying from TSS 9 shot, rubber buckshot, rock salt all for crowd dispersion, plus dragon's breath, and dragon's breath with slug in case I need to raise Cain when all hell breaks loose. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst as they say.

If I add anything to this list it would be a SS 1911 chambered in .45 Auto, an AK-10 with a 16" barrel chambered in .45 Raptor, and a CMMG Banshee with an 8" barrel chambered in .45 Auto. I think after this I would be happily sufficed. Of coarse I would be loading Lehigh Defense's solid copper bullets in these too.

You may have noticed that not only have I bypassed all the issues involving lead but I'm sidestepping the hassles pertaining to bottle neck cases as well. The old saying KISS [No offense meant] comes to mind!
 
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I thank you for the offer, but as you noted I am a bit anal when it comes to the bullets I use. I like the idea of solid copper as opposed to lead. So far the guns I have at this point are virgins to lead and I'd like to keep it that way. If I ever did cast some bullets for the experience I would want to shoot them in the person's gun that let me use their casting facility. Maybe save a few back for the display shelf.

I at one time though to cast my own silver bullets until I studied up on the process [way to much involved in getting them not to have worm holes]. So I looked into getting either sterling or 99.7/99.9/99.99/99.999 pure silver rods that are .50" diameter and decided that turning them out on a lathe down to .452" was far easier and better than casting wonky ones. The trick would be figuring out which purity would be best for not silver fouling the barrel. Just taking a guess it seems to me that sterling silver would have the best Brinell hardness for the application. These would basically be used for a formal formal dining/wedding/Bar-B-Q gun of sorts. They would never see action unless SHTF thereof. I figure on getting a SS Ruger New Vaquero with white pearl grips, chambered in (you guest it) .45 Colt. Or an 1879 five shot Tranter chambered in .45 cal. Either one would be dedicated to silver bullets alone.

Otherwise the Lehigh Defense line of solid copper bullets fit my fancy for defense rounds against both two and for legged opponents.

I prefer a S&W XVR with a 14" barrel converted to a 5 shot revolving carbine, by pin and welding a 2-3" muzzle break and adding a custom butt stock, chambered in .460 magnum for hunting. Again with the .452" solid coppers Lehigh Defense bullets.

I also have a SS Taurus Judge 3" magnum which is for .410 shot-shells varying from TSS 9 shot, rubber buckshot, rock salt all for crowd dispersion, plus dragon's breath, and dragon's breath with slug in case I need to raise Cain when all hell breaks loose. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst as they say.

If I add anything to this list it would be a SS 1911 chambered in .45 Auto, an AK-10 with a 16" barrel chambered in .45 Raptor, and a CMMG Banshee with an 8" barrel chambered in .45 Auto. I think after this I would be happily sufficed. Of coarse I would be loading Lehigh Defense's solid copper bullets in these too.

You may have noticed that not only have I bypassed all the issues involving lead but I'm sidestepping the hassles pertaining to bottle neck cases as well. The old saying KISS [No offense meant] comes to mind!
fair enough
 
"I like the idea of solid copper as opposed to lead. So far the guns I have at this point are virgins to lead and I'd like to keep it that way."

If I had to rely upon just commercial bullets w/o lead for the amount of shooting I do annually,, I'd have to be good friends with a billionaire. Casting is a way for me to afford to shoot 10,000 or more rounds annually. I'd have a "sticker shock heart attack" if I had to buy Lehigh Defense as my only option to enjoy shooting.

But historically speaking,, lead has been the material for bullets LONG before copper jackets or even solid copper bullets were designed. I fully accept a person's desire to shoot certain things only,, but I shoot a lot more by being versatile.
 
If I had to rely upon just commercial bullets w/o lead for the amount of shooting I do annually,, I'd have to be good friends with a billionaire. Casting is a way for me to afford to shoot 10,000 or more rounds annually. I'd have a "sticker shock heart attack" if I had to buy Lehigh Defense as my only option to enjoy shooting.

But historically speaking,, lead has been the material for bullets LONG before copper jackets or even solid copper bullets were designed. I fully accept a person's desire to shoot certain things only,, but I shoot a lot more by being versatile.
Believe me I understand about solid copper being "COST PROHIBITIVE". Especially the store bought kind from Underwood Ammo. It slows me down some, but the solid copper rounds I am making will be stash for hunting and defense. Silver bullets because its on my bucket list. I already have every thing but the total amount of bullets I'll need. Buying them as I go.

If I was going to just plink, like I did when I was younger, I believe I would get me another .22 and shoot shorts out of it. My dad still has his .22 LR single action revolver and a .22 LR Marlin rifle from when I was a kid, and I am sure if I asked him he would give them to me (probably with a brick or two of .22LRs).

I was shooting the two guns of my dad's since I was 5 years old. My dad would take us to the national forest or to one of our kinflok's ranches. Once I turned 18 I started buying guns of my own. I hunted and plinked up to becoming 33 years old of which time I sold off my guns. Kind of got tired of killing and wasting time and money on putting holes in things. And I did not bother buying anymore guns until "The Summer of LOVE" in 2020 where Democrats were burning down cities and Biden taking office I decided to start tooting again. For one I figured that Biden would collapse the economy and I would need to hunt for food, and until then I travel a lot and did not want to drive up on a "MOSTLY Peaceful Protest" without some form of protection being they were telling the police to stay out of it and leave them alone. I mean I enjoyed the peaceful years but if they are wanting to start stuff well then I figure I best be ready then. As far as the ranches I once was allowed to frolic within the old folks are gone and the properties sold so I no longer have that as a plinking ground. As far as the national forest there are so many idiots that traverse there now a days that I'm a bit leery to go there. There are some free public ranges around but you never know who may show up lacking gun safety adequacies and I don't like hanging around idiots that get mad when you try and encourage them to do better. As for paying for range time it just does not seem right, kind of like paying for a drink of water. I'm just old school enough that a lot of stuff going on now a days irks my butt.

Any who, some people shoot to reload and some reload to shoot. I personally at this point in life Handload to Handload in preparation of the day I will need to shoot [other than the silly silver bullet thingy I got going in my head].

I wonder what I will do with my loading tools once my stash is built up. Will I start plinking to reload? Will I sell them off? Or perhaps get an FFL to make ammunitions?
 
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"Especially the store bought kind from Underwood Ammo. It slows me down some, but the solid copper rounds I am making will be stash for hunting and defense."

Well, to be a good hunter,, OR,, to be really prepared for serious self defense,, I've always felt the need to practice a lot, and often. that's why I shoot a lot. And I do mean a lot. And I reload to allow me to shoot a lot more at a more affordable expense.

I hunt with a handgun, and truly feel the animal(s) deserve a quick, clean kill as quickly as possible. Due to the fact there are many variables in hunting,, lots & lots of practice allows me to be very comfortable in my abilities to do this.

Self defense. I shoot USPSA competition. That challenges my ability to think fast, shoot fast & accurate, always handle my firearm safely, trains my mind to where my motor memory skill will allow me split second response time if necessary. This was driven home when one of my good friends,, a NCHP officer found himself in a gunfight on 7/3/23. In a split second,, he went from having a friendly & non-threatening interaction with a guy broken down, to where the guy suddenly pulled a Desert Eagle .44 mag & shot my friend in the chest from just a few feet away. In the publicly released photo,, showing the moment just before my friend got shot,, his motor memory skills took over, & you can see in the photo he's beginning his draw.
My point,,,,,, is that all this takes a lot of regular practice.
In a regular USPSA match,, you have stages that challenge your mind and abilities. And when you miss, have a misfire, fumble a reload, have a jam, drop a magazine, make a bad grip when drawing, or any of the other maladies that happen,, your regular practicing and competition allow you to react a LOT quicker. It can (and in my friends case, it did) save your life.

Oh, and while you may lament the loss of "free, un-encombered shooting" you still should work hard at making it happen. I have a friend in New Jersey,, who has to drive an hour each way just to go to a range to practice. He's also a serious handgun hunter,, having taken a lot of game with a handgun including a Cape Buffalo.
I was smart enough back in the late 1970's to realize how easy it was to lose many casual freedoms of where to shoot. So I started building my own gun range. Now,, I have an established gun range that's afforded "range protection laws."

Oh,, and let's not forget that my very own mother THOUGHT she could handle anything like a robber etc in her store. Yet,, when pepper sprayed,, and attacked,, she was not capable of getting her gun into use. She had refused to truly practice or become motor memory skill friendly with her gun. That cost her.

Nope,, expensive bullets,, or very limited practice due to whatever reasons do not allow enough mental comfort for me to be truly capable when faced with the big game animal of a lifetime,, or when attacked by a determined thug wanting to do harm. I prefer to shoot a lot, and often,, with different types of firearms, and situations.
 
Well, to be a good hunter,, OR,, to be really prepared for serious self defense,, I've always felt the need to practice a lot, and often. that's why I shoot a lot. And I do mean a lot. And I reload to allow me to shoot a lot more at a more affordable expense.

I hunt with a handgun, and truly feel the animal(s) deserve a quick, clean kill as quickly as possible. Due to the fact there are many variables in hunting,, lots & lots of practice allows me to be very comfortable in my abilities to do this.

Self defense. I shoot USPSA competition. That challenges my ability to think fast, shoot fast & accurate, always handle my firearm safely, trains my mind to where my motor memory skill will allow me split second response time if necessary. This was driven home when one of my good friends,, a NCHP officer found himself in a gunfight on 7/3/23. In a split second,, he went from having a friendly & non-threatening interaction with a guy broken down, to where the guy suddenly pulled a Desert Eagle .44 mag & shot my friend in the chest from just a few feet away. In the publicly released photo,, showing the moment just before my friend got shot,, his motor memory skills took over, & you can see in the photo he's beginning his draw.
My point,,,,,, is that all this takes a lot of regular practice.
In a regular USPSA match,, you have stages that challenge your mind and abilities. And when you miss, have a misfire, fumble a reload, have a jam, drop a magazine, make a bad grip when drawing, or any of the other maladies that happen,, your regular practicing and competition allow you to react a LOT quicker. It can (and in my friends case, it did) save your life.

Oh, and while you may lament the loss of "free, un-encombered shooting" you still should work hard at making it happen. I have a friend in New Jersey,, who has to drive an hour each way just to go to a range to practice. He's also a serious handgun hunter,, having taken a lot of game with a handgun including a Cape Buffalo.
I was smart enough back in the late 1970's to realize how easy it was to lose many casual freedoms of where to shoot. So I started building my own gun range. Now,, I have an established gun range that's afforded "range protection laws."

Oh,, and let's not forget that my very own mother THOUGHT she could handle anything like a robber etc in her store. Yet,, when pepper sprayed,, and attacked,, she was not capable of getting her gun into use. She had refused to truly practice or become motor memory skill friendly with her gun. That cost her.

Nope,, expensive bullets,, or very limited practice due to whatever reasons do not allow enough mental comfort for me to be truly capable when faced with the big game animal of a lifetime,, or when attacked by a determined thug wanting to do harm. I prefer to shoot a lot, and often,, with different types of firearms, and situations.
I know what you mean. As for hunting it will be done with a carbine rifle so I am not worried about missing a shot with it once I get it sighted in. My handguns are for like when a four or two legged critter attacks. I figure the two legged ones will be close enough I should not be able to miss, and as with the 4 legged ones (such as a bear) I figure I'll be aiming.

As far as speed goes I figure I would hurt myself if I tried to move fast. Sure would not want to shot myself like old Borek (click url below). Basically slow and steady is all I got at this point in life or I might fall over. Just about need three points of contact for stability. As to being mentally prepared I tend to be blessed with not freaking out but rather thinking fast and taking care of business.

But I definitely agree with you about how practice makes perfect. No doubt the guy who practices the most more than likely will win the most. Not always but more than likely so. And I will probably be able to afford 50 to 100 rounds for practice a month. Beats nothing.

But I still ain't gonna put any lead in my guns. Dead set against it. I have shot a lot of it back in the day but once I went copper there is no turning back. I'm just glad I didn't set my mind on gold bullets. At that cost I would never be able to save up to make my silver ones.

Here old Borek practicing his fast draw so he could be ready when someone come to shoot him:
 
Well, as a hunter who's taken well over 150 whitetails,, and countless other animals over the 50 plus years of hunting,, and using archery, muzzleloaders, rifles, handguns, & shotguns,, I STILL approach each & every hunt with the knowledge that I can still miss, an animal can move at the last moment, be presented with an awkward angle, or many other things that can make a "sure" shot into a very bad hit. This is why I practice a lot. So I do worry about making a clean kill instead of feeling like I "know" I won't miss. There are NO guarantees in hunting, and by doing a lot of practicing I reduce the possibilities of my making a mistake.
In the last 2 times I planned an elk hunt with a handgun. I shot (2) SA revolvers almost daily for several months. I'd shoot (3) cylinders full in each gun daily. I started in late April,, and practiced daily until the day I'd leave for the hunt. I started shooting steel plates at 25 yds. After 3 days of shooting at 25 without a single miss,, I'd move the distance by 5 yds. If I missed a single target,, I'd start the count over. By November, I was easily hitting all my steel at 100 yds all the time. (100 yds is my longest bay so I couldn't practice any longer distances.) Now if you calculate the amount of shooting,, in rounded numbers,, that's 6 months, of 36 rounds a day. That comes out to 6480 rounds fired in round numbers. And that was just for the POSSIBILITY of me getting a chance at getting an elk in my sights. That didn't include all the USPSA competition or other shooting I did. A LOT more than 50-100 rounds a month.
Oh,, and all that ammo,, I cast, powder coated, sized, and handloaded it all.

Self defense against 2 legged or 4 legged attacks.
You may THINK you can react very quickly,,, buy my sharing the story about my friend, & my mother was to make a point about how a person who does practice a lot vs someone who didn't and the outcome. Jeff was able to react WITHOUT thinking quicker than the way my mother who tried to act AND think. Jeff lived & was successful in his reaction due to his skills. My mother was injured, beaten, and robbed because she was NOT practiced & prepared.

Age & speed.
I have several USPSA competitors who are in their 70's,, as well as a couple who are in their 80's. They do it just to keep in practice & keep their motor memory skills sharper. They know they are no longer young & as fast as they used to be. But many of them would surprise you at their abilities.

We as humans like to think we will "know what to do" or that we "can handle anything" if a bad situation suddenly happens. Back in 1998,, as a person who handgun hunted a lot, did a lot of shooting, etc,, if you had asked me then if I could handle myself,, I KNOW I would have said,, WITH A LOT OF CONFIDENCE that I could have. Yet,, I tried USPSA. I found out how good I WAS NOT!!!!!! I got an awakening about how much MORE I needed to expand my ideas about SD & practice. And now,, after almost 27 years of shooting USPSA regularly,, I STILL feel like I need more practice & could do a lot better.

I disagree that "practice makes perfect." I do say that "Practice makes us closer to perfect,, but we'll never be 100% perfect."

You have stated "I still ain't gonna put any lead in my guns. Dead set against it." That's fine for you. I find it a bit confusing as to why,, because lead has been used for centuries,, and is still the least expensive option for a lot of practice. And if your reasoning is that you don't feel it's good enough for hunting or SD purposes,, I can point to a good friend who went to Africa a few years ago, handgun hunted some big game including a Cape Buffalo,, and took them all with his hand cast, water quenched, powder coated bullets. All the game dropped with there, with one shot, except the Cape. It went down to one knee & it's nose,, and he quickly followed with a second shot. It stayed down. The PH required him to put an "insurance shot" into the brain as they approached it.
If your reasoning is that you experienced "leading" in the barrel,, then your ammo was not properly loaded for lead bullets. Proper sizing, knowing bore diameter, throats, hardness or softness of the alloy, are a few things a person needs to understand about shooting lead. I know,, I had the same problems in my 20's,, before I studied & learned of MY mistakes. And nowadays,, with powder coating,, which is a big game changer,, it's actually a lot easier.

So I ask,, just why are you so dead set against lead bullets in any form?
 
Well, as a hunter who's taken well over 150 whitetails,, and countless other animals over the 50 plus years of hunting,, and using archery, muzzleloaders, rifles, handguns, & shotguns,, I STILL approach each & every hunt with the knowledge that I can still miss, an animal can move at the last moment, be presented with an awkward angle, or many other things that can make a "sure" shot into a very bad hit. This is why I practice a lot. So I do worry about making a clean kill instead of feeling like I "know" I won't miss. There are NO guarantees in hunting, and by doing a lot of practicing I reduce the possibilities of my making a mistake.
In the last 2 times I planned an elk hunt with a handgun. I shot (2) SA revolvers almost daily for several months. I'd shoot (3) cylinders full in each gun daily. I started in late April,, and practiced daily until the day I'd leave for the hunt. I started shooting steel plates at 25 yds. After 3 days of shooting at 25 without a single miss,, I'd move the distance by 5 yds. If I missed a single target,, I'd start the count over. By November, I was easily hitting all my steel at 100 yds all the time. (100 yds is my longest bay so I couldn't practice any longer distances.) Now if you calculate the amount of shooting,, in rounded numbers,, that's 6 months, of 36 rounds a day. That comes out to 6480 rounds fired in round numbers. And that was just for the POSSIBILITY of me getting a chance at getting an elk in my sights. That didn't include all the USPSA competition or other shooting I did. A LOT more than 50-100 rounds a month.
Oh,, and all that ammo,, I cast, powder coated, sized, and handloaded it all.

Self defense against 2 legged or 4 legged attacks.
You may THINK you can react very quickly,,, buy my sharing the story about my friend, & my mother was to make a point about how a person who does practice a lot vs someone who didn't and the outcome. Jeff was able to react WITHOUT thinking quicker than the way my mother who tried to act AND think. Jeff lived & was successful in his reaction due to his skills. My mother was injured, beaten, and robbed because she was NOT practiced & prepared.

Age & speed.
I have several USPSA competitors who are in their 70's,, as well as a couple who are in their 80's. They do it just to keep in practice & keep their motor memory skills sharper. They know they are no longer young & as fast as they used to be. But many of them would surprise you at their abilities.

We as humans like to think we will "know what to do" or that we "can handle anything" if a bad situation suddenly happens. Back in 1998,, as a person who handgun hunted a lot, did a lot of shooting, etc,, if you had asked me then if I could handle myself,, I KNOW I would have said,, WITH A LOT OF CONFIDENCE that I could have. Yet,, I tried USPSA. I found out how good I WAS NOT!!!!!! I got an awakening about how much MORE I needed to expand my ideas about SD & practice. And now,, after almost 27 years of shooting USPSA regularly,, I STILL feel like I need more practice & could do a lot better.

I disagree that "practice makes perfect." I do say that "Practice makes us closer to perfect,, but we'll never be 100% perfect."

You have stated "I still ain't gonna put any lead in my guns. Dead set against it." That's fine for you. I find it a bit confusing as to why,, because lead has been used for centuries,, and is still the least expensive option for a lot of practice. And if your reasoning is that you don't feel it's good enough for hunting or SD purposes,, I can point to a good friend who went to Africa a few years ago, handgun hunted some big game including a Cape Buffalo,, and took them all with his hand cast, water quenched, powder coated bullets. All the game dropped with there, with one shot, except the Cape. It went down to one knee & it's nose,, and he quickly followed with a second shot. It stayed down. The PH required him to put an "insurance shot" into the brain as they approached it.
If your reasoning is that you experienced "leading" in the barrel,, then your ammo was not properly loaded for lead bullets. Proper sizing, knowing bore diameter, throats, hardness or softness of the alloy, are a few things a person needs to understand about shooting lead. I know,, I had the same problems in my 20's,, before I studied & learned of MY mistakes. And nowadays,, with powder coating,, which is a big game changer,, it's actually a lot easier.

So I ask,, just why are you so dead set against lead bullets in any form?
Every bullet I shot from 5 years old to 33 years of age was lead, so I have used it a lot. And I never ever cleaned out a barrel as I always figure that the next bullet would do that for me. I always used factory ammo and never had a problem with leading that I know of.

Then I studied up on copper vs lead and I come to the conclusion that copper won the debate. And I do not like the idea of mixing the two in my barrels, so lead lost out. and yes lead cost way less but in my opinion it is less desirable over copper. I have bought some Hornady XTPs which are copper jacketed, but they will only be used in plinking as I do not like them. They cover the back side of the lead and the sides so that my barrel will not be touched by the lead nor will the hot burning powder cause lead gasses in the air that I breath. And I do not like the idea of biting down on lead either, so if any part of the lead might separates and gets into the meat I would not want that either. This is the least expensive bullets I am willing buy for my guns. I got some 250 grain and some 225 grain ones because the Copper bullets are 250 grains and 220 grains. I figure if I make them run the same speed it should have the same kick, but if they do not land the same then they would just be training me to miss. So I will see if both land the same or not. But I ain't putting no lead up against my barrels, nor will I use them for SD or hunting.

Now if I ever get a .22 LR I would use copper coated lead. They'll be cost effective as far as just practicing slinging a gun around. But as I said before I have shot so many rounds I just got tired/burned out of doing it. I started building ammo to survive what seemed to be hell coming this way, then Trump got in and started turning things around. I'll continue to finish what I started so I'll be prepared if the communist ever do succeed in getting their useful idiots to keep rioting and burning this country to the ground. That way if I get caught up in their mess I will have half a chance at fending them off until I can get to the woods and hunt and gather food if they destroy the economy. I ain't out to start anything just planning not to get caught up in it.
 
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If I was a betting man, I would bet most ammo expended by those under arms there is supplied Russian factory ammo. Those pictured are likely the empty brass picked up and reloaded. My guess is, it is mostly shot into the air. No matter how crude it is, it can be deadly under some conditions.
 
"yes lead cost way less but in my opinion it is less desirable over copper."

Quite a few hunters will disagree with this comment. Many prefer cast & properly fitted, designs of cast bullets over copper jacketed bullets. As I mentioned about my friend who took the Cape buff, and a few other critters in Africa. He was using cast, and ALL his critter fell right there. His Zebra dropped so fast,, the PH didn't see it fall. With cast you can get bullet designs that copper jacketed bullets don't have.
BUT,,, the Hornady XTP's are also regarded highly by hunters who prefer to use a copper jacketed bullet. That design is quite good.

Interesting comment. "the hot burning powder cause lead gasses in the air that I breath."
Do you shoot indoors only? If so,, doesn't the range have proper ventilation to pull the air/gases away from the shooters?

This comment; "I do not like the idea of biting down on lead either, so if any part of the lead might separates and gets into the meat I would not want that either."
I won't say that it doesn't happen,, but proper care of the meat when processing removes the chances a lot. Now,, in bird hunting,, using lead shot,, it does happen a lot more. Finding shot in small birds is well documented. But our discussion here has not been about bird hunting with shot,, so we'll stop there on that.
Proper butchering removes damaged meat to where fragments are left behind for the most part. And if eating a piece of lead were that important or dangerous,, a simple metal detector can find even tiny fragments.

This; "if I ever get a .22 LR I would use copper coated lead." I can promise you that the .22 LR ammo will strip away the copper wash they use in that ammo in rifles and handguns.

Prepping for whatever hell might come is also called "Being prepared." Long ago,, I thought I'd like to get all my brass loaded into ammo. Then as I've aged, gained a bit of wisdom,, I realized a few things. Sometimes,, ammo that has been loaded long ago, and aged a bit,, MIGHT not perform. Most often,, it can be just fine. Heck,, just yesterday,, I shot some .223 ammo I loaded in 1989,, that put nice tiny groups at 100 yds in a gun I was testing it's new trigger & accuracy.
But hand loaded ammo can not be sold,, nor do many people want to shoot another person's reloads. Components can be EASILY sold, stored & later used to make ammo as necessary. If I were to pass away,, my family would be able to recover more money from my components vs any of my handloads. So, long ago,, I started trying to shoot up older ammo I had loaded, and purchase the necessary components to allow me to be capable of making more as needed.
This includes casting & powder coating bullets.
A pound of lead sells for $1-$2 average. But 100 bullets will easily triple or quadruple (or more,) that amount per lb.

I FULLY respect your desires to only shoot specific types of bullets. I was just trying to figure out why the serious negativity against cast bullets. You also claimed to have gotten burned out shooting a lot. Fine, I see that happen to some people.

But in my mind,, as I've lived my whole life as a BSA Eagle Scout,, the motto; "Be Prepared" is ingrained into me. So I choose to shoot a lot,, train a lot, hunt a lot, and burn a lot of powder, in my quest to be as fully prepared for whatever life throws at me. And using cast bullets,, that I now powder coat (vs lubing) has been a way to allow me to shoot thousands of rounds annually.
 
Quite a few hunters will disagree with this comment. Many prefer cast & properly fitted, designs of cast bullets over copper jacketed bullets. As I mentioned about my friend who took the Cape buff, and a few other critters in Africa. He was using cast, and ALL his critter fell right there. His Zebra dropped so fast,, the PH didn't see it fall. With cast you can get bullet designs that copper jacketed bullets don't have.
BUT,,, the Hornady XTP's are also regarded highly by hunters who prefer to use a copper jacketed bullet. That design is quite good.
I find copper jacketed lead as an excuse to allow lead to travel down my barrels. I won't even do copper coated ones. Sorry Berry. Yet the XTPs are for plinking only, not serious business. Solid copper for SD and hunting. And Silver for show.

Interesting comment. "the hot burning powder cause lead gasses in the air that I breath."
Do you shoot indoors only? If so,, doesn't the range have proper ventilation to pull the air/gases away from the shooters?
Only shoot outdoors, unless otherwise called for. Well there was that one time when I was dry fire practicing and forgot that I had put the bullets back into the revolver. Good thing I was taught to never point a gun at something I am not willing to destroy. I shot a water bottle as opposed to my favorite coffee cup. I was dead set against dry firing indoors but had watch a many of YouTube videos saying it was a good thing so I broke down and tried it. I would draw the revolver take aim and pull the trigger. I would pick and object that I did not care so much for and draw down on it. I would do this as I was watching videos and finally I got tired of doing it and decided to put the ammo back in and continued watching videos. Well on the spur of the moment, having forgotten that I had reloaded the revolver, I drew down on a water bottle and BOOM. Water went every where. Being it was a low pressure round it did not ring my ears. The bullet then traveled through a box and settled in a kitchen drawer. I stopped doing dry fire quick draws inside from that day on. Now I only play that game outside with an appropriate backstop.

Other than that no I do not shoot indoors, especially at any range where idiots have been known to be lurking with firearms, as they will (for a dollar) let just about anyone in their places. For now I have a few friends scatter between states that I shoot at when I visit, and all but two of them scar me with their lack of gun etiquettes. One was trained not to flag people with the guns while in the military and the other as a police officer, but the rest are still a bunch of hillbillies with no clue. They flag other people with their fingers on the trigger all the time. I have been trying to get them to understand that no accidental shooting could ever happen if - 1) no gun is ever pointed at another - 2) if one's finger is not on the trigger when they do accidently point the gun at someone else or even themselves. Basically at least these two rules have to be violated at the same time, so the more they practice not doing either the better the odds are if and when they do violate one. That is to say hopefully they will have made such a habit of doing neither to the point that if they did violate one by accident hopefully the other rule is still being adhered to at that time. So far I have won two more over to trying not to. There is still this one that thinks he is wise in his own eyes and I have not gone shooting with him since.
 
"the rest are still a bunch of hillbillies"

Uhh,, I'm a WNC hillbilly. But I'm also an educated hillbilly. Many peoples worst nightmare. And owning a range,, unsafe gun handling will get you sent home.
 
"the rest are still a bunch of hillbillies"

Uhh,, I'm a WNC hillbilly. But I'm also an educated hillbilly. Many peoples worst nightmare. And owning a range,, unsafe gun handling will get you sent home.
I, as you put it, "an educated hillbilly" myself. Educated enough to know you can not send them home unless you let them in first so they can do stupid stuff in your presence. I'll pass.
 
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Well this is a thread for the ages. There is enough drift here to cover the Sphinx! Clearly there is an irrational fear of lead. Silver bullets? Lone Ranger perhaps? Wow.🤣
 
Well this is a thread for the ages. There is enough drift here to cover the Sphinx! Clearly there is an irrational fear of lead. Silver bullets? Lone Ranger perhaps? Wow.🤣
Who is afraid of lead??🤪🤣 It takes many forms and not just buwwets!!!! Ask Elmer Fudd...
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Literally or figuratively?

Blatantly.....:sneaky:

Well this is a thread for the ages. There is enough drift here to cover the Sphinx! Clearly there is an irrational fear of lead. Silver bullets? Lone Ranger perhaps? Wow.🤣

Probably worried about werewolves with bad range manners.......
 

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