RCA Engraved Super Single Sixes

[RPM Enterprises]

These rarely seen RCA Engraved Single Sixes made their way to the RPM stables this week. They came in the original yellow hinged boxes and RCA presentation cases. Two variations were produced. An American version and a Spanish version. These guns were also single cylinder guns and has two stars stamped in front of the trigger guard. These guns used for this project are the only guns Ruger double stamped the stars on. Most single cylinder guns only had one star stamped. The engraver commissioned to do the job was Robert Kain and each gun has his personal logo engraved on the revolver. They also came with RCA letters of authenticity.

 

[radicalrod]

Gosh I always thought Mr Jerred or JR did these....but then I have never done much research on them either....VERY NICE...RR.

 

[contender]

I see Rick has been digging into a treasure trove again!
Very nice, and rarely seen!

 

[HAWKEYE#28]

Indeed! A very special Pair. I recall when we displayed these models at the RCA display, NRA Annual meetings, Phoenix, May of '83. A very nice addtion to your extensive collection! 8)

 

[chet15]

Jerred and/or Jerred Jr. only did a few of them.
Kain did all of the Spanish
Chet15

 

[flatgate]

Nice! I've not seen any of those models for quite some time!

You must'a done some real diggin' to find those babies!!!



flatgate

 

[RCA230]

I own one of these in the American flavor (# A1502). However, mine does not have the Robert Kain personal logo engraved on it.

Could this mean that it was a Jerred Sr./Jr. engraved specimen?

 

[HAWKEYE#28]

I like the signature behind the front sight. 8) :wink:

 

[RCA230]

I like the signature behind the front sight. 8) :wink:

Which one do you suppose is the less common? :wink:

 

[RCA230]

Jerred and/or Jerred Jr. only did a few of them.
Kain did all of the Spanish
Chet15

I read an older post of yours (and I quote) "You can tell Jerred Sr.'s barrel signature from Jerred, Jr. in that Jr. has an additional roman numeral II around the signature. "

Do you happen to have any photo comparisons?

 

[RPM Enterprises]

I see Rick has been digging into a treasure trove again!
Very nice, and rarely seen!

Ty, Yes I have been digging treasure. Along with these engraved guns I managed to find a boxed lightweight and another Mark 1 Busy Bee gun number BB007. I have only seen two and those are the ones I currently own. And then the RCA Red Barn gun that has added engraving for Ray Viramontez.

 

[RPM Enterprises]

I like the signature behind the front sight. 8) :wink:

Yes that looks to be a Jerred Jr. engraved.

 

[Coogs]

Flatgate, ya shoulda looked a little closer at my Harrisburg display, I had my pair in there. They are beautiful pieces, RPM, nice find, Coogs.

 

[eveled]

Those are simply amazing, I can't stop drooling! I'm curious if the Magnum cylinders are engraved to match? Ed

 

[Coogs]

Eveled,they were .22 lr only. So , no mag cylinders. I guess the RCA wanted something a little different, Coogs.

 

[eveled]

Thanks, they are amazing. Ed

 

[flattop44]

It seems to be the general opinion among collectors that the "II" mark with CHJ initials on the RCA Engraved Single-Sixes means that Charles H. Jerred Jr did the engraving. I do not believe that is necessarily correct. Please see the third paragraph in the copy of the letter below from Charles H. Jerred to Nancy Padua at the RCA. CHJ was responding to the RCA when the RCA Engraving program was being established. Mr. Jerred says the the "II" will be used so no one will ever mistake these guns for the original ones in the future. I believe either CHJ, CHJ,Jr. or both could have engraved the RCA guns with the "II" marking. I have seen one gun without a "II" and have heard of another one and believe that could have simply been an oversight....maybe even by Charles H. Jerred, Jr. when he engraved it. Of course JMHO!!
Bill

 

[RPM Enterprises]

Here is the marking on my Jerred gun.

 

[radicalrod]

Hey Bill, Mr Jerred states the II will be UNDER the front sight......gotta remove the sight to find it....KOOL LETTER....RR.

 

[flattop44]

Radical, you are exactly right....you have to remove the front sight to see the "II" mark. Lucky that they are just screwed on!! )....there is also a #xx number under there too. The number may correspond to how many that were done. The one that I have left in my collection has #18. I saw one American that had the CHJ stylized initials did not have anything under the front sight. I believe the II and #xx was just omitted in error...did not mean anything about which Jerred engraved it. Rick, what is the number, if any, under your gun's front sight? Coogs, how about your gun? And anyone else that has one?? Be interesting to see how high the numbers go.
Bill

 

[RPM Enterprises]

Yes there is a roman II and #13 under the front sight.

Now it makes me wonder about the CHJ 2 marking on the barrel. If Jr. added the 2 and if Sr. engraved any they would not have the 2 by the CHJ.

 

[RPM Enterprises]

This is what is under the front sight of the Jerred gun.

 

[RCA230]

I'll definitely have to take my front sight off later this evening, and report back.

 

[HAWKEYE#28]

WELL......The bad news is that I do not have one of these to have to remove the front sight....I passed on a pair out of a dated Upper NY state collection, some years ago. The rationale? Purchase the offered/available factory black fitted boxed RSSE with factory Italian walnut contoured grips and an extra pair of Pointer Pup (and so decaled) pearl panels. An easy choice with only so much dinero to go around. So the "fixed sighted" RSSE's and the Hawkeye Girls will just have to watch and see how this unfolds.............Please, use the correct screwdrivers........... 8) I really like these informative sets of posts! :wink: :!:

 

[RCA230]

Well, here's mine (proper screwdriver used of course):

RPM, Notice the difference in the angle of the roman numeral "II" and the "#" symbol. Could one be by Jerred Sr. and the other Jr? But which one is which?

Also, and I can't be positive about this because your picture is slightly out of focus, the numeral "1" looks to be a different style of engraving as well.

 

[RCA230]

Here is a link to a copyrighted picture of Mr. Jerred's signature on the 1950's engraved SS:

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...PNtUY7BL4zB4APk5YBo&ved=0CDkQ9QEwAjgK&dur=569

It looks quite different from the ones on either of our engraved stainless steel models.

 

[HAWKEYE#28]

Sorry if I missed others' comments on this....However, i am wondering about the stylized number 2 located at the bottom right corner of the CHJ signature on the stainless engraved guns. I don't see that called out.......I also find it continuing to be of interest regarding Jerred's comments in the pictured letter, regarding later inquiries to have guns engraved as the original 238 were so embellished.

 

[chet15]

I saw one American that had the CHJ stylized initials did not have anything under the front sight. I believe the II and #xx was just omitted in error...did not mean anything about which Jerred engraved it. Bill

Without the marking under the front sight, I wonder if that was a Kain engraved gun?
I can't remember a RCA engraved RSSE without the stylized CHJ initials on the barrel, so Kain probably engraved his like that also?? Would seem like something was missing if they weren't engraved that way.
Chet15

 

[chet15]

You know...the continuing mystery of how many RCA engraved Single-Sixes there are, and who they were engraved by could be answered pretty easy with a lookup of info from somebody at the RCA. It is pretty much a given that everybody knows there weren't 238 American and 20 Spanish done.
I've asked, but have never heard anything.
Chet15

 

[HAWKEYE#28]

You know...the continuing mystery of how many RCA engraved Single-Sixes there are, and who they were engraved by could be answered pretty easy with a lookup of info from somebody at the RCA. It is pretty much a given that everybody knows there weren't 238 American and 20 Spanish done.
I've asked, but have never heard anything.
Chet15

Not unusual, sorry to say. :roll: