Proposed New Caliber.

[Hvymax]

If Ruger really wants to get back into Substantial Big Bore Revolvers they should just go for it!!! A Modern 45/70 like round that would have 460S&W, 454 Cassul and 45lc as the wimp options.
It should be as simple as stretching the Super Redhawk frame. Merely a few tweaks to the CAD program. They could also release Lever and bolt actions as companion guns!!! They would probably dominate the Alaskan Market as well as every Recoil Junkie will need the gun that spanks the S&W and Taurus competition!!!
This would literally need No R&D whatsoever and a few tiny tweaks to existing products.

 

[hittman]

I believe if Ruger “wants to” it would be because there's a market for that product.
It won't be because of nostalgia or bravado or bragging rights or setting a new trend.
Money matters.
No market for it.

 

[Hvymax]

I believe if Ruger wants to it would be because there's a market for that product.
It won't be because of nostalgia or bravado or bragging rights or setting a new trend.
Money matters.
No market for it.

There's always a market for the Most Powerful anything!!! A few companies make 50bmg pistols!!!

 

[needsmostuff]

There's always a market for the Most Powerful anything!!!

BFR already makes a 45-70 revolver.
It has a purpose for some but it's not a great seller. I know I don't want one or need one.
Ruger would make more money actually making more of the guns they already list ,,,,,,,,,That are never in stock.

 

[Hvymax]

BFR already makes a 45-70 revolver.
It has a purpose for some but it's not a great seller. I know I don't want one or need one.
Ruger would make more money actually making more of the guns they already list ,,,,,,,,,That are never in stock.

The BFR is an expensive low production Single Action range toy. I'm pretty sure a 45/70 won't chamber 460 etc effectively. It would probably have to be a new caliber just bigger and more powerful than the 460 that could still chamber the 460 as the lightweight option. How many 500&460's have S&W and Taurus sold??? Why did they sell all those guns??? Because they were more powerful than anything else anyone was currently making. Come up with a 10% power bump over the S&W's and it will sell. Ruger deliberately chose to be left in the dust when they refused to make guns in the new S&W calibers. If they made a dozen of these along with the carbines for SHOT Show they would be the biggest deal there. They still have a few weeks. They could probably produce these in a few days with a few tweaks to existing CAD programs and possible barrel tweaks like twist rates etc to stabilize the faster moving bullets. Because their new production are sleeved barrels swapping tubes could be done in minutes!!! A few engineers and a machinist could crank these out in a few days with a few more days for load development etc. I'm sure there is some parent brass readily available. Maybe some 45/100 brass that could be sized and trimmed etc.

 

[hittman]

How is that BFR different from many of the “dealer / distributor exclusives” made by Ruger? Seems at most they send out a few hundred of those for nationwide consumption.

 

[Hvymax]

How is that BFR different from many of the "dealer / distributor exclusives" made by Ruger? Seems at most they send out a few hundred of those for nationwide consumption.

It would be the new Mega Redhawk. A DA/SA optic ready latest most powerful handgun on the market. I only used 45/70 as a reference since a true 45/70 chamber wouldn't work for 460, 454&45lc. Since it could be made on the same lines as the Redhawks it could be a true production Superpistol that would dominate in every field!!! Hunting and Competition. It would make both S&W offerings as Obsolete as they made the 44 magnum. The BFR is nothing but a boutique gimmick gun. Have you ever shot one alongside a normal platform like a Super Redhawk etc??? SA Colts went out over 100 years ago. I know that with just a few Engineers and a Machinist they could have a few of these and a few thousand rounds ready for the Shot Show in a few weeks. If they went all hands on this it would rock the firearm world. They could produce a dozen or so Concept Guns for SHOT and see how the World responds. I would think that their engineers could spec out a few barrel configurations that could be ready by the time they had the recievers done. Maybe even make them with extended barrels with huge brakes like the S&W custom shop guns they would be eclipsing!!!

 

[SteveSt]

The sale of a pistol caliber larger than 44 mags would be attractive to a very small group of people. Way too much power for a casual shooter and limited party of pistol hunters out there.

 

[hittman]

Apples v Oranges. One is single action, the other double action. There's no comparison to make. And who exactly is clamoring; either hunters or competition shooters for these calibers?

Some, myself included, would argue that things like 45/70, 460, 454 etc in a handgun are the gimmick / boutique guns.

 

[davevabch]

I always though Ruger was the "Peoples gun". Great quality and customer service for the working man. I do not see how this Boutique type firearm would do anything for Ruger. Maybe should think about Kahr and their off spring weapons.

 

[hittman]

I always though Ruger was the "Peoples gun".

That’s why growing up the Western Auto store was our go-to for 10/22, 357 Blackhawk and 44 Carbine and Single Six.

The hardware store 2 blocks over carried S&W, Colt, Winchester and others we couldn’t afford. Besides …. Ours were working guns.

Oh, I got my first Security Six at that Western Auto too.

 

[Cholo]

I can't wait for the next new caliber I won't buy LOL

 

[gnappi]

It seems like any innovating Ruger does goes from announcement to cult in a very short time

Personally I'd like to have a five shot .40 caliber boomer like the .400 Legend but even Magnum Research doesn't make one with that long frame of theirs.

 

[davevabch]

My first watch was a Timex when I was a kid. To this day, I still wear a Timex. Yes, Have been given many watches over the years for dress etc. Some costing 5 times as much. I guess it just defines my personality. Keep it simple, Keep it reliable and to hell with all the rest. Ruger was a Timex.

 

[SootyGrouse]

I would love something in 475 linebaugh, 500 Linebaugh or even 500 JRH. They all use a shorter cylinder.

 

[Rclark]

There would have to be a perceived purpose for such a revolver. In my mind, it wouldn't make a packing gun on the hip as to big. 99% of the shooters out there couldn't handle (or want to) the recoil. So.... I 'think' (that's just me) it would be a very poor seller and just a barbecue type firearm. Bring out to the living room to show off the biggest baddest revolver . I do that with my Colt Walker and people are impressed. Ha! It at least has some history to expound on when talking about it.

 

[Bering Sea Veteran]

My first watch was a Timex when I was a kid. To this day, I still wear a Timex. Yes, Have been given many watches over the years for dress etc. Some costing 5 times as much. I guess it just defines my personality. Keep it simple, Keep it reliable and to hell with all the rest. Ruger was a Timex.

The old Timex commercials "It takes a licking and keeps on ticking", were factual. Ruger revolvers can handle some heavy ammunition that S&W doesn't have the cojones to handle. I am happy with the current Ruger line up.
Let Taurus do the research and development to make a 20mm depleted uranium CIWS ammunition revolver.

 

[Ranger]

I have an X frame 460. It provides the extra reach I wanted. I'd rather see Ruger get fully behind the 475 / 480 and 327 offerings and offer a 460 in their Marlins.

 

[the_leper_colony]

FWIW, less expensive dies & the ability to make your own brass might be helpful:

https://www.rugerforum.com/threads/for-44-caliber-fans-who-reload-the-44-gp.305440/
Mike Bellm TC's
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[Hvymax]

The old Timex commercials "It takes a licking and keeps on ticking", were factual. Ruger revolvers can handle some heavy ammunition that S&W doesn't have the cojones to handle. I am happy with the current Ruger line up.
Let Taurus do the research and development to make a 20mm depleted uranium CIWS ammunition revolver.

At least Taurus is still significant.

 

[Hvymax]

FWIW, less expensive dies & the ability to make your own brass might be helpful:

https://www.rugerforum.com/threads/for-44-caliber-fans-who-reload-the-44-gp.305440/

Pathetic half measure at best!!!

 

[Hvymax]

At this point the Super Redhawk is the Mediocre Redhawk Mediocrity at its best.

 

[Laserbait]

I, for one, would love to have a 45/70 SRH. For that matter, I'd also get/buy it in 30/30 if offered. I think either would have been a better choice than making it in 22 Hornet or 10 mm.

 

[the_leper_colony]

Pathetic half measure at best!!!

Just for grins (and no offense intended ;^), allow me to quote your post from August 24, 2023:

"This would be a perfect answer to the 460S&W for the 44 crowd. GP, Magnum, Special in 1 gun."

Obviously not the cartridge you have in mind today (shortened .500 Nitro Express for handguns, maybe? ;^), but possibly more marketable. Once again, proof positive that one size never fits all!

 

[Hvymax]

Just for grins (and no offense intended ;^), allow me to quote your post from August 24, 2023:

"This would be a perfect answer to the 460S&W for the 44 crowd. GP, Magnum, Special in 1 gun."

Obviously not the cartridge you have in mind today (shortened .500 Nitro Express for handguns, maybe? ;^), but possibly more marketable. Once again, proof positive that one size never fits all!

The GP is a rimless round. Probably best in an AR action. I intended this to be a rimmed round around 10% more powerful than the S&W options that would also chamber the 460, 454&45lc. If Ruger went All Hands tomorrow I bet they could have some prototypes for SHOT Show!!! They've done way dumber things lately!!!

 

[the_leper_colony]

The GP is a rimless round. Probably best in an AR action...

FWIW, there's also a rimmed version (right side of linked photo) - cases are formed from .444 Marlin or .356 Winchester brass. But guessing you would prefer something 45 caliber or larger, anyway!

 

[Ranger]

There'd be some that would do it for the bragging rights. The recoil in the 460 isn't too bad; but it does have some noticeable muzzle blast. An elongated 460 would probably have more velocity and energy for a flatter trajectory. I'd be a little worried about how much more muzzle blast. The main drawback would likely be the gun's size. If much bigger than my x frame, I'd just as soon tote a rifle. After years of thinking .44, 454. 460, 475 / 480, etc were the self defense answer to bears, I'm now leaning to the 10mm crowd. I watched a video of a big black bear sow going after a smaller black bear. Those sucker's can move and climb a tree fast! I want to be able to shoot quickly and not worry about reloading.

 

[Hvymax]

How many years did it take you to arrive at the 10mm revelation and how many years did you spend chasing the Power Curve!!! If 2 years after the 460 came out someone came out with 10% more power how long would it have taken you to get one.

 

[Hvymax]

FWIW, there's also a rimmed version (right side of linked photo) - cases are formed from .444 Marlin or .356 Winchester brass. But guessing you would prefer something 45 caliber or larger, anyway!

It would NEED to chamber the 460S&W as a sub power wimp round. My post you are referencing was my idea for Ruger to Compete with the S&W offerings with a caliber that would have the 44mag/special as the sub calibers. It could put them in the same ballpark but I think having their most powerful offering as a sub power option would make a STATEMENT!!! It's one thing to finally catch up to everyone else. It's another thing to put them over your knee and spank them. Ruger has everything they need to do it. I even think if they were even trying could have prototypes for SHOT Show!!! If they showed up at the SHOT Show with this it would be the biggest thing of the year. Everyone would be begging for one. I'm pretty sure a solid muzzle brake could even make it manageable on the end of a 12" barrel.

 

[Ranger]

How long? I don't know. I probably wouldn't. Had to have surgery on my dominant wrist / hand. They took out bone and installed plate with bunch of screws. I'm just now back to point where can shoot .44 mags without too much pain.