Proposed New Caliber.

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Pathetic half measure at best!!!
 
Pathetic half measure at best!!!

Just for grins (and no offense intended ;^), allow me to quote your post from August 24, 2023:

"This would be a perfect answer to the 460S&W for the 44 crowd. GP, Magnum, Special in 1 gun."

Obviously not the cartridge you have in mind today (shortened .500 Nitro Express for handguns, maybe? ;^), but possibly more marketable. Once again, proof positive that one size never fits all!
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Just for grins (and no offense intended ;^), allow me to quote your post from August 24, 2023:

"This would be a perfect answer to the 460S&W for the 44 crowd. GP, Magnum, Special in 1 gun."

Obviously not the cartridge you have in mind today (shortened .500 Nitro Express for handguns, maybe? ;^), but possibly more marketable. Once again, proof positive that one size never fits all!
:)
The GP is a rimless round. Probably best in an AR action. I intended this to be a rimmed round around 10% more powerful than the S&W options that would also chamber the 460, 454&45lc. If Ruger went All Hands tomorrow I bet they could have some prototypes for SHOT Show!!! They've done way dumber things lately!!!
 
There'd be some that would do it for the bragging rights. The recoil in the 460 isn't too bad; but it does have some noticeable muzzle blast. An elongated 460 would probably have more velocity and energy for a flatter trajectory. I'd be a little worried about how much more muzzle blast. The main drawback would likely be the gun's size. If much bigger than my x frame, I'd just as soon tote a rifle. After years of thinking .44, 454. 460, 475 / 480, etc were the self defense answer to bears, I'm now leaning to the 10mm crowd. I watched a video of a big black bear sow going after a smaller black bear. Those sucker's can move and climb a tree fast! I want to be able to shoot quickly and not worry about reloading.
 
How many years did it take you to arrive at the 10mm revelation and how many years did you spend chasing the Power Curve!!! If 2 years after the 460 came out someone came out with 10% more power how long would it have taken you to get one.
 
FWIW, there's also a rimmed version (right side of linked photo) - cases are formed from .444 Marlin or .356 Winchester brass. But guessing you would prefer something 45 caliber or larger, anyway!
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It would NEED to chamber the 460S&W as a sub power wimp round. My post you are referencing was my idea for Ruger to Compete with the S&W offerings with a caliber that would have the 44mag/special as the sub calibers. It could put them in the same ballpark but I think having their most powerful offering as a sub power option would make a STATEMENT!!! It's one thing to finally catch up to everyone else. It's another thing to put them over your knee and spank them. Ruger has everything they need to do it. I even think if they were even trying could have prototypes for SHOT Show!!! If they showed up at the SHOT Show with this it would be the biggest thing of the year. Everyone would be begging for one. I'm pretty sure a solid muzzle brake could even make it manageable on the end of a 12" barrel.
 
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How long? I don't know. I probably wouldn't. Had to have surgery on my dominant wrist / hand. They took out bone and installed plate with bunch of screws. I'm just now back to point where can shoot .44 mags without too much pain.
 
How long? I don't know. I probably wouldn't. Had to have surgery on my dominant wrist / hand. They took out bone and installed plate with bunch of screws. I'm just now back to point where can shoot .44 mags without too much pain.
It might not be for the Geriatric set here. I would probably be pushing it at this point but then as far as I know I was the only one who ever fired the 20mm portable prototype 30 years ago. It seemed like a good idea at the time. It rolled me about 10-15' or so. Felt like being hit by a car. I've fired the equivalent of a 45/100 out of muzzleloading pistols. A range master who thought I was performing had his middle finger wrapped backwards around the trigger guard. I went with the Dan Wesson back in the 80's due to its Mad Science Potential. 330gr at 1,400 fps out of a custom barrel that had them near MOA out to 200 was Mad Science at its best.
 
Ruger rarely introduces new cartridges, @Hvymax - you have a lot more capabilities than the average gun owner, so maybe you should build something yourself (rather than wait on Ruger, who will probably never get around to it ;^). I'm definitely on the average part of the gun owner curve, and even I came up with a practical wildcat cartridge when I was younger. Plus, you have the ideal name for your new cartridge(s) and gun(s), just call them the (fill-in-the-blank) HvyMax!
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Ruger rarely introduces new cartridges, @Hvymax - you have a lot more capabilities than the average gun owner, so maybe you should build something yourself (rather than wait on Ruger, who will probably never get around to it ;^). I'm definitely on the average part of the gun owner curve, and even I came up with a practical wildcat cartridge when I was younger. Plus, you have the ideal name for your new cartridge(s) and gun(s), just call them the (fill-in-the-blank) HvyMax!
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I could probably mill out a decent revolver frame and even a barrel sleeve and cylinder in a few years. Not to mention the heat treatment etc to contain such pressures. I'm sure I could take an old NEF super hunter in 45/70 and work up the load in a few days. Of course I would eventually need a custom barrel with a twist rate and cut that made the most of the rounds potential.
My point is that Ruger with a few Engineers and Machinists could produce the Ultra Redhawk by the end of the week. Just a few X/Y changes to the Super Redhawk program would be all it would take to produce the frame and cylinder. Ream out the longest available barrel in the shop for a sleeve and tension setup. Then start with the available barrel stock to the 454 Cassul and they could have a working prototype in a few days. The faster bullets might need a different twist and cut to maximize accuracy but again barrel tubes can be swapped in minutes with the sleeved barrel setup. The Engineers could probably spec out a few custom barrel blanks in an hour or two playing with ballistic programs and have the barrels ready about the same time as the frames. A few days dialing in loads and choosing a muzzle brake like the Taurus and S&W customs and these could be ready for the SHOT Show.
 
There's always a market for the Most Powerful anything!!! A few companies make 50bmg pistols!!!
But the cost of Ruger's toolup is what matters... building the prototypes, the exhaustive testing, and on and on... so that the company doesn't end up being responsibile for a lawsuit in the millions of dollars or tens of millions because of negligence of product design.
And then actual toolup for production. You would have to sell a lot of .50 BMG revolvers to make any profit at all... or have an outlandish MSRP on such a novelty to make it pay for itself. I don't know about anybody else... but don't count me in for being on a list of people who want a handgun in .50 BMG. Probably great for taking pics while somebody else fires it, but practical??? I think not.
I am reminded of the video you can find on utube of the big bearded fellow with cowboy hat who tried out a Thompson Contender chambered for .600NE. Look the video up. He started off with a two hand hold, but then decided to go one hand. I'm thinking a .50 BMG would be much worse.
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Perhaps I am naive but I fail to see the need for another BIG cartridge from Ruger. They already make revolvers in calibers that will take down most everything that walks or crawls in North America. They have 480, 454, and 44 mag as well as "Ruger only" loads in 45LC. I guess that there are 'recoil junkies' that need to say that "I can handle a 700-5000" but they are few and far between.
 
I've only met one person who owned a .500 S&W revolver. He owned his own business, liked shooting, and was doing well enough that he could collect Smith handguns. He wasn't shy about recoil - he carried a lightweight Smith .44 Mag and a .460 Roland. But he told me his .460 S&W revolver was about as much handgun as he was willing to shoot, and he wasn't ever planning to take the .500 X-frame to the range.

In some ways, the market for handguns (& the ammunition they consume) is inversely proportional to the recoil they generate. There are tens of thousands of .22s sold every year, and billions of rounds of .22 LR, but you might be able to get all of the new .500 S&W owners together in a big room somewhere. If you actually produced a monster handgun (like the .50 BMG mentioned), you might be able to get all of the new owners together in a tour bus, for a trip to SHOT show...
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Perhaps I am naive but I fail to see the need for another BIG cartridge from Ruger. They already make revolvers in calibers that will take down most everything that walks or crawls in North America. They have 480, 454, and 44 mag as well as "Ruger only" loads in 45LC. I guess that there are 'recoil junkies' that need to say that "I can handle a 700-5000" but they are few and far between.
You've obviously never shot IHMSA. Much like racing there's no such thing as Too Much Power!!! Just how the crap am I going to hook it all up!!!
 

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