P-90, minty-condition. Value?

[resident]

Enjoying my P-97 DC so much, I was intriqued by the very minty P-90 (safety/de-cocker) at the local gunstore, priced at $400 plus tax (8.5%). Comes w/box and spare mag.

Seems a bit high, (paid only $300 incl. tax for the P97 at a different store) but thought I'd run it past the crowd.

 

[Dusterman]

That all depends on how much you want it and are willing to spend on it. I had picked up a PC9 and wanted a P94 to go with it, I came across a ad for one at a local chain GS and went to check it out, they wanted $400 for it and it was advertised as used when I checked it out I don't think it had been fired because it was clean except for the factory grease and it still had the factory cardboard box.(1994 model). So I say if you want it and it's worth it then buy it but you might want to make them a lower offer first they just might take it you never know unless you ask. Good luck, Dusterman

 

[P90]

Sounds a little high to me also. I would think 350. would be enough for a used one.

 

[sargents1]

Enjoying my P-97 DC so much, I was intriqued by the very minty P-90 (safety/de-cocker) at the local gunstore, priced at $400 plus tax (8.5%). Comes w/box and spare mag.

Seems a bit high, (paid only $300 incl. tax for the P97 at a different store) but thought I'd run it past the crowd.

Its kind of funny that the P90 doesn't command a higher price since it's reputation is as a gun that matches or out-performs just about everything out there with the possible exception of a high-end 1911 or a Sig.

If someone offered to sell you a like-new 45acp pistol that shot 1.5-2.5in groups and was reliable with virtually any kind of ammo and it was stamped Springfield Armory, Colt, Sig Sauer, Smith and Wesson or Dan Wesson, You can bet the asking price would be higher than 400$.

So no, I wouldn't say that 400$ is too much, but I would offer them less to start with. The worst they can do is say no.

 

[old 112]

In my area

New KP90SD 480+tax.

I have not seen a new P90 lately, so
I cannot quote a price.

My judgement for a used KP90 is to
subtract 75 to 250 from new price.
P90 would be the same.

Regards,
Old 112

 

[arklite]

I'd offer $375 Out-the-Door, if I really wanted it.

I've seen them online and at shows for $300-$400.

 

[hittman]

Sounds plenty steep to me. I could get interested at $325.00. For the $400 range I'm looking at CZ's and Sig's.

 

[Al James]

Take a look on Gun Broker. You could find a P90 DC model to match your P97DC and be under the 400 mark after shipping and transfer fees. I would recommend staying with the same operating system. Unless of course you dont like the DC only and like the safety idea. Just my .02

 

[resident]

Excellent comments! Thanks All!

I actually DO like the DC ops/system, as it most-nearly copies the revolver-action with which my wife is most familiar. (Just point and pull the trigger. This is important to me because my wife's self-defence gun is a S&W revolver and I wouldn't want her to be the least bit distracted by different ops systems should she need a gun and it happens to be MY personal weapon that is handy at the moment.)

I actually DID find the initial ops of the P90 to be a bit distracting.... as I've recently been practicing with the P-97-DC and the difference is something I'd have to aclimate to, perhaps.

Thanks again, for the feedback!

 

[P90]

Take a look on Gun Broker. You could find a P90 DC model to match your P97DC and be under the 400 mark after shipping and transfer fees. I would recommend staying with the same operating system. Unless of course you dont like the DC only and like the safety idea. Just my .02

I would recommend the same thing. My P90 and P97's are all DC.

 

[5Wire]

Here's my track on the decocker version.

Ruger P90DW Pistol in .45 ACP, 4-1/2 in Bbl. Bluebook of Gun Values (30th Edition) indicates between $335 in 95% condition and $475 in 100% condition for this gun. I have 44 recorded prices for this model gun from $251 to $475 over a period of 6 Yrs 6 Mos ending April 8, 2010. The average price as of that date was $362. No refurbs, no refinishes, regular sights, adjusted to two magazines, all represented as 95% or better, no distinction for import location or engineering revision, if any, no special editions, no distinctions for box, papers, tools. Current or last MSRP is $591.

The data chart has the Average Price Trend just above $380 as of April 2010. Better examples, box & papers, etc. would be more.

 

[Hawkeye913]

Looks right-on 5Wire. I bought mine new a year ago and paid $435, which is exactly what the chart says. Guess if the gun in question is, in fact, "minty"...$400 wouldn't be unreasonable...but I'd sure offer $350 first.

 

[Thomas]

Enjoying my P-97 DC so much, I was intriqued by the very minty P-90 (safety/de-cocker) at the local gunstore, priced at $400 plus tax (8.5%). Comes w/box and spare mag.

Seems a bit high, (paid only $300 incl. tax for the P97 at a different store) but thought I'd run it past the crowd.

The "Decocker Only" format is no longer available and therefore well worth the small premium, particularly since it is mint. This DC format has the real advantage of always being ready to fire when the double action trigger is pulled. The manual safety by contrast could have the safety on and in an emergency actually prevent expeditious firing by the operator. Many police departments are going away from the manual safety for this reason. The 1911 does not have this problem if one is trained to shoot it with thumb on top of the thumb safety. Too bad Ruger discontinued this excellent system.

One of the big advantages of the Double action first shot is preventing accidental discharges. When reading a bit of Sig Pistol History, it was interesting that the Swiss and Swedish Government procurement folks specified this double action feature for the first shot for safety reasons. I note also that most of the Sig pistols now also have the Decocker Only feature. If you have personally witnessed the effect of on AD you will get real gun safety aware and appreciate those little improvements. However nothing is a good as proper gun safety and lots of training.

Many will say that you just need to keep your finger out of the trigger guard until ready to fire and I agree. However, it you are in the real world of gun handling day to day or even IDPA (excellent training) you will see handling mistakes and fingers unintentionally sweep the trigger. The double action trigger is a small extra margin of safety.

 

[ArmedinAZ]

Interestingly the P90DC owner's manual says this:

For greater accuracy and consistent trigger pull, the hammer may be manually
cocked by the shooter before the first shot is fired. Keep your finger off
the trigger while cocking the hammer! The hammer will be automatically
cocked as described above for subsequent shots.

Wonder how it works out in the real world when that first trigger pull is 12 lbs and the rest are 6 lbs? 2nd shot AD or unintentional controlled pair? Guess at that point it doesn't really matter. Argument for DAO?

 

[resident]

Enjoying my P-97 DC so much, I was intriqued by the very minty P-90 (safety/de-cocker) at the local gunstore, priced at $400 plus tax (8.5%). Comes w/box and spare mag.

Seems a bit high, (paid only $300 incl. tax for the P97 at a different store) but thought I'd run it past the crowd.

The "Decocker Only" format is no longer available and therefore well worth the small premium, particularly since it is mint. ....

It's not a "Decocker Only". It is a "Decocker" with Safety (although I guess it's a simple matter not to use that feature.)

 

[5Wire]

[...]
It's not a "Decocker Only". It is a "Decocker" with Safety (although I guess it's a simple matter not to use that feature.)

I never heard of that. How does it differ from decocker?

 

[ArmedinAZ]

It's not a "Decocker Only". It is a "Decocker" with Safety (although I guess it's a simple matter not to use that feature.)

Excuse the lack of reading comprehension. Still, the first pull on any P series is DA unless you cock it.

 

[resident]

It's not a "Decocker Only". It is a "Decocker" with Safety (although I guess it's a simple matter not to use that feature.)

Excuse the lack of reading comprehension. Still, the first pull on any P series is DA unless you cock it.

Not on the P90 I'm looking at. If the safety is "down" (which is very strange/backward to my logic) ...the trigger is useless and performs no function.

 

[gb6491]

[...]
It's not a "Decocker Only". It is a "Decocker" with Safety (although I guess it's a simple matter not to use that feature.)

I never heard of that. How does it differ from decocker?

On the "decock only" version, the lever is spring biased to the up position: when you push it down, it decocks the pistol and, upon release, returns to the fire (up) position.
On the manual safety model, when you depress the lever, it decocks the gun and disengages the trigger. The lever stays in this, the safe, position until it's manually returned to the fire (up) position.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqfKcQ-5uLU
Regards,
Greg

 

[5Wire]

On the manual safety model, when you depress the lever, it decocks the gun and disengages the trigger. The lever stays in this, the safe, position until it's manually returned to the fire (up) position.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqfKcQ-5uLU
Regards,
Greg

Thanks. My P90 is a Decocker:

I guess it's just nomenclature but when I think of "safety" I think of a device that prevents trigger pull or hammer fall, like on a Ruger Mark II or on a 1911. I had a Walther P99 and I have a Sig 229 both of which could be decocked but pulling the trigger would cause either gun to fire in double action mode. There were no safeties.

I learned sumpin', thanks!

 

[gb6491]

You're welcome
That's a good looking P90 you have there.

Mine started out as a manual safety model. I was able to get everything but the frame and magazine from a decocker only for under $80 on an auction site; so now, I run it almost exclusively as decock only (just put a P95 trigger on it as well).

Regards,
Greg

 

[MountainWalker]

Since it is a Manual Safety model and currently available as a new pistol, it should be substantially discounted for being used. Further, I wonder if used guns are sold because someone didn't like it or needed the money or because it had problems they didn't want to bother getting fixed. A few times I have bought a used gun to discover a problem which I almost always sold off at a loss. Accordingly, when I can buy new for a few dollars more, there is little reason to take a chance.

 

[MountainWalker]

You're welcome
That's a good looking P90 you have there.

Mine started out as a manual safety model. I was able to get everything but the frame and magazine from a decocker only for under $80 on an auction site; so now, I run it almost exclusively as decock only (just put a P95 trigger on it as well).

Regards,
Greg

Thanks for sharing your project with us. It is a very worthwhile improvement/upgrade. Does that auction site have any more DC Slides? Is there a way to convert the manual safety to DC?

 

[ArmedinAZ]

Those grips are what Ruger should have done. That's a handsome weapon.

 

[gb6491]

Thanks for sharing your project with us. It is a very worthwhile improvement/upgrade. Does that auction site have any more DC Slides? Is there a way to convert the manual safety to DC?

You're welcome.
I got the all the parts on Gun Broker; taking a quick glance there, the P90 slides I see available (at the moment) are manual safety models.

Short of swapping top ends, converting a manual safety model to "decock only" would require milling and drilling of the manual safety slide and, possibly, internal component replacement. The "decock only" slide is milled and drilled to accept a large "V" spring that provides the tension on the decock lever. I imagine the levers would need to be swapped out with decock version levers (unless they could be machined to function with the "v" spring).
http://www.ruger.com/products/_manuals/pSeries.pdf
http://www.ruger.com/products/_manuals/ ... cocker.pdf

Those grips are what Ruger should have done. That's a handsome weapon.

Thanks
Regards,
Greg

 

[resident]

Since it is a Manual Safety model and currently available as a new pistol, it should be substantially discounted for being used. ....

MSRP is $575, so some folks might consider $400 to be discounted for a looks-like-new. I agree with the comment that a new gun, soon-returned is likely to have a function issue. That's been my experience in several cases....tho' with a Ruger I don't worry too much about it because the factory is so good about repairing without charge....the only issue is the freight. (The store offering it enjoys a good reputation for taking care of such matters however, so that may be a plus for paying a bit more than rock-bottom.)
I suppose the first owner might also be a "tried it and don't like it" guy.