OK, how crazy is this idea...?

[mzimmers]

Hi, all -

So...I want to build a carbine chambered for .454 Casull. The problem is, the high pressure of the round eliminates a lot of options (lever action, autoloader) and the shape of the cartridge is problematic for a bolt action (or so I was told).

I was wondering about starting with a SRH revolver and turning it into a carbine. I don't imagine getting a barrel made would be too tough. The stock might be another story, though.

Has anyone here heard of people doing anything like this? Any suggestions/ideas about how to create a rifle stock for this gun?

Thanks.

 

[Snake45]

Don't completely give up on a bolt action yet. I know 98 Mausers have been built for .44 Magnum, and the action is certainly strong enough for .454.

Another option might be the Brit Enfield action. I looked into doing one of these as a .44 a couple years ago. Certainly looks do-able. I think they've been rechambered for .45-70 so .454 should be no problem.

 

[REP1954]

Nothing fancey but I believe Puma and H&R already have or had them.

 

[pyth0n]

Hi, all -

So...I want to build a carbine chambered for .454 Casull. The problem is, the high pressure of the round eliminates a lot of options (lever action, autoloader) and the shape of the cartridge is problematic for a bolt action (or so I was told).

I was wondering about starting with a SRH revolver and turning it into a carbine. I don't imagine getting a barrel made would be too tough. The stock might be another story, though.

Has anyone here heard of people doing anything like this? Any suggestions/ideas about how to create a rifle stock for this gun?

Thanks.

I did see one in a TV movie, but can't remember the title. I did find this;
http://www.earlyriserscoffeeshop.com/forum/showthread.php?t=243

 

[mzimmers]

Snake: the concern with a bolt action wouldn't be the strength; more the feeding of a case/bullet combination of a typical .454. And, I'm almost sure the .454 generates higher pressures than the 45-70...by a fair margin.

Rep: the H&R is a single-shot; not what I want. And I've looked closely at the Rossi; if it were American made, I might consider it.

Python: that stock looks pretty much like what I'd want. Too bad the article doesn't have more information on it.

 

[Casey 44Mag]

If you want a mauser bolt action you need a Siamese mauser as they were the only mausers built for rimmed cartridged i have one in 45-70.
I share your same interest in a revolver carbine and I think Rugers would be the best candidate since they use coil springs. If you were using a single action all youd need is some good thought, imagination and a TIG welder for the grip frame. Id like to do a bull barreled 44 magnum SBH

 

[Iron Mike Golf]

What about starting with something like a Circuit Judge and getting a custom cylinder fabbed for it?

 

[Jimbo357mag]

You would think that a Marlin 'Guide Gun' in .45-70 could be converted to 454 Casull but according to what I read on another forum they will shoot loose in no time at all. 8) 8)

http://www.levergunscommunity.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12008

...Jimbo

 

[J Miller]

The British Enfields will not handle the pressure of the 454 Casull. They are too flexible and have only two locking lugs at the rear of the bolt.
Those altered for the 45-70 are intended for normal pressure levels, not the hotter loads.

The only lever gun to date that will handle the pressures generated are the Rossie that's already chambered for the .454 and the 480 Ruger.

Joe

 

[REP1954]

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_372/products_id/60591

 

[Lee Martin]

Either a Ruger #1 or buy the Puma. Trying to get a bolt action to feed that short a round will be a headache.

 

[Acorn]

I'm not sure about now, but it was illegal to convert a handgun to a long gun and vice versa. So I don't know if that is still an option.

 

[mzimmers]

I'm not sure about now, but it was illegal to convert a handgun to a long gun and vice versa. So I don't know if that is still an option.

Handgun to long gun is legal. The other direction is a felony.

 

[SteelShooter]

Just sold both a pistol and rifle barrel from the TC custom shop in this caliber about a month ago. That is certainly an option.

Other one is perhaps a gun smith could convert a 77/44 with a single shot follower, as opposde to the rotary clip. Feed tray would replace the magazine. Thinking they'd need to open up the bolt face slightly, and a new but similar barrel.

Won't be cheap...

 

[DeletedMember275]

If you can live with a single shot, an H&R/NEF Handi Rifle is a real possibility. A lot of folks simply rechamber their .45 Colt Handis to either .454 Casull or .460 S&W; the action can easily handle the pressure - the factory chambers it for .500 S&W.

 

[Snyd]

16 or 20" Puma

http://www.rossiusa.com/product-details.cfm?id=164&category=8&breadcrumbseries=&search=454

Here's my pair of 454's. 20" Puma, 4" Redhawk. The Puma picks up about 400fps over the Redhawk with all loads from 275 to 435gr.

 

[suckersrus]

Encore.

Go with the 460 barrel then you can shoot 460, 454 and 45.

Get the barrel length you want.

http://www.bullberry.com/encore.html

 

[texczech]

In the Oct 1993 issue of "Gun World",in an article by Paul Hantke, Chip Todd built a 21"rifle and a 16.5"carbine out of S&W model28s. He also built at least 1 model 19. They are really cool looking guns. I think 1 built off of a GP100 or in your case a Super Redhawk would be great. If I could figure out how to post pics I would. If you can find a copy, it is well worth reading the article.

 

[Bucks Owin]

If you can live with a single shot, an H&R/NEF Handi Rifle is a real possibility. A lot of folks simply rechamber their .45 Colt Handis to either .454 Casull or .460 S&W; the action can easily handle the pressure - the factory chambers it for .500 S&W.

I agree. They are a lot of bang for the buck...(even if the fore end looks like it was carved with a chainsaw! :roll: ) The "less than great" triggers are easily reworked if you're into such things...

My .45/70 HR is pretty dang accurate and for the reasonable price of fitting another barrel, I'm thinking of playing with a Hornet both "as is" then later rechambered to K-Hornet....

Cheap but satisfactory mules for guncranks IMO... :wink: