New Vaquero action cycle

[Doug.38PR]

Is there any way to make the action cycle feel a little more....clockworkish...more like the Colt SAA or Cimeron or Uberti Single Action guns? The SAA old action goes "TICK TICK CLICK" and you can feel each one as you pull the hammer back....yet it's still smooth as glass

Does that make sense? Pulling the hammer back and hearing two little "tink.....tink"s and not really being able to feel it in the hammer pull just feels lacking.

 

[Stoots]

A Powers Custom trigger kit maybe?

http://powercustom.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=136

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

Howdy

Using a Power Custom conversion hammer and trigger will add a click at half cock, but it will not add a click at the 'safety cock' position because there is not a notch cut at the hammer for that. So instead of getting four clicks, 'safety notch' half cock, bolt popping up, and full cock, as with a Colt or Uberti, you will get three clicks, half cock, bolt popping up, and full cock.

In fact, if you cock the hammer slow enough most revolvers give you an extra kick as the hammer goes to full cock ever so slightly before the bolt pops into the locking slot. This is quite normal.

But frankly, if you want four clicks just like a Colt or Uberti, then buy a Colt or Uberti. Or buy an old Three Screw Ruger. Ruger went through quite a lot of effort back in the 1970s to change the action of their single action revolvers and they are not supposed to be the same as a Colt.

Regarding how loud the clicks are, that is a matter of spring strength. I have Colts that click real loud, I have some that just whisper. Frankly, if the springs are too light, you can get the cylinder to throw by, which is not a good thing.

 

[Doug.38PR]

BEAUTIFUL! Thanks Stoots! I am now 100% sold on a New Vaquero .45 LC.

Probably will be buying it next week or next Month (depending on certain financial things fallling into place)

 

[Doug.38PR]

Howdy

Using a Power Custom conversion hammer and trigger will add a click at half cock, but it will not add a click at the 'safety cock' position because there is not a notch cut at the hammer for that. So instead of getting four clicks, 'safety notch' half cock, bolt popping up, and full cock, as with a Colt or Uberti, you will get three clicks, half cock, bolt popping up, and full cock.

In fact, if you cock the hammer slow enough most revolvers give you an extra kick as the hammer goes to full cock ever so slightly before the bolt pops into the locking slot. This is quite normal.

But frankly, if you want four clicks just like a Colt or Uberti, then buy a Colt or Uberti. Or buy an old Three Screw Ruger. Ruger went through quite a lot of effort back in the 1970s to change the action of their single action revolvers and they are not supposed to be the same as a Colt.

Regarding how loud the clicks are, that is a matter of spring strength. I have Colts that click real loud, I have some that just whisper. Frankly, if the springs are too light, you can get the cylinder to throw by, which is not a good thing.

My dad actually has a Cimeron .45 LC. NICE action. I have a Uberti Schofield. I want a new vaquero to have a plain knock down drag out .45 LC gun that I can put rounds through without having frequent repair and put hot loads in if desired (mind you, not Ruger Contender Magnumish loads).
But if I can gear it to mimic the feel of the Colt/Cimeron, then I'll do it. Stoots suggestion sounds close enough

 

[contender]

Well, you can easily spend the money & get the Power Custom options,,, and yes,, they are nice.

However,,, before you jump in,, might I suggest you try an OM Ruger first,,,???
JMO!

 

[Hondo44]

Just a good old fashion action tune and/or lighter Wolf spring kit will make a world of difference for a lot less money.

 

[Doug.38PR]

Contender,
OM Ruger?

 

[Doug.38PR]

Just a good old fashion action tune and/or lighter Wolf spring kit will make a world of difference for a lot less money.

why not both? I do like the idea of halfcocking to oen the loading gate and having that extra click

 

[Hondo44]

Both would be fine too.

One advantage of the new models that I like is not having to 1/2 cock the hammer to load and unload. And the New Vaquero and FT Blackhawks don't need the 1/2 cock mode for the chambers to align with the loading gate when loading/unloading. But just because you have a 1/2 cock hammer doesn't mean you must use it for L/UL. You can enjoy the clicks when you cock it to shoot.

So you can certainly buy a "click" with a 1/2 cock hammer for $120. You can even add two extra clicks. I do that so I could use Bisley hammers in old model 3 screw guns.

The most convenient option to me on old or new models is a free spinning cylinder, and it's FREE: unscrew the alignment pawl on new models that have it or modify the pawl on old models and new models that don't.

 

[CraigC]

The PC kit will add a click and it's a wonderful improvement to the New Model lockwork but IMHO, unnecessary in the New Vaquero. Due to the reverse indexing pawl. It still does not make it sound or feel like a Colt, replica or Old Model.

If you want a traditional action, buy one.

 

[Tellico]

Contender,
OM Ruger?

OM = Old Model or three screw. Carry with 5 rnds.

 

[Doug.38PR]

okay, I went by Cabelas in Gonzales, LA tonight. I was making a poor comparison with my Super Blackhawk. The New Vaquero's action actually has 3 clicks and feels a lot more like the Colt (compared to the larger Super Blackhawk).
I actually handled two for comparison. A 5 inch and a 4 inch. When I took the 5 inch (I know barrel has nothing to do with this) the action seemed to have a pause. That is the cylinder stopped turning briefly when I was pulling the hammer back and waited for something else to take hold before it kept turning (hammer didn't have any resistance, it was just noticable watching the action cycle real slow). The 4 inch gun seemed to have everything happen perfectly timed. Both guns were usable and nice, but might there have been something wrong with the 5 inch action?

Also: I noticed the gun didn't seem to have that stupid lock on it. Has ruger done away with that on the vaqueros? Previous research over a year ago revealed the lock to be opposite the screw on the grips. But now there is just the screw to undo the grips and no lock. I looked all over the gun and no lock. The dealer didn't seem to know anything about it

 

[Doug.38PR]

okay, I went by Cabelas in Gonzales, LA tonight. I was making a poor comparison with my Super Blackhawk. The New Vaquero's action actually has 3 clicks and feels a lot more like the Colt (compared to the larger Super Blackhawk).
I actually handled two for comparison. A 5 inch and a 4 inch. When I took the 5 inch (I know barrel has nothing to do with this) the action seemed to have a pause. That is the cylinder stopped turning briefly when I was pulling the hammer back and waited for something else to take hold before it kept turning (hammer didn't have any resistance, it was just noticable watching the action cycle real slow). The 4 inch gun seemed to have everything happen perfectly timed. Both guns were usable and nice, but might there have been something wrong with the 5 inch action?

Also: I noticed the gun didn't seem to have that stupid lock on it. Has ruger done away with that on the vaqueros? Previous research over a year ago revealed the lock to be opposite the screw on the grips. But now there is just the screw to undo the grips and no lock. I looked all over the gun and no lock. The dealer didn't seem to know anything about it

 

[RudyN]

The lock is gone. I don't have it on either of my two NM Bisleys.

 

[Doug.38PR]

.......YAY

 

[Hondo44]

You can not compare New Model Super BH and original large frame Vaquero actions with "NEW" Vaquero actions, they are not the same exact actions: they have different clicks and will not sound the same!

1. New Model Super BH, Blackhawks and original large frame Vaqueros are the same.
These have the transfer bar safety action.

2. New Vaqueros and New Model Blackhawk Flat Tops are the same.
These have the transfer bar safety action, plus internal lock in the grip frame, plus Ruger’s “Reverse Indexing Pawl" system (which consists of the following parts: #42 (free spin cylinder type) PAWL, #32 EJECTOR ALIGNMENT PAWL, #33 CYLINDER ROTATION STOP SPRING and #34 CYLINDER ROTATION STOP SCREW).

3. Single Six .22 is different yet.
These have the transfer bar safety action, plus internal lock in the grip frame.

NOTE:
The lock makes no sound.

When the cylinder stops rotating momentarily as you cock the hammer slowly, you are observing the top point on the cylinder pawl leaving the cyl ratchets and then the 2nd point on the pawl engages and continues the cyl rotation; this is noiseless.

CLICKS HEARD:
#1 guns above have 3 clicks at the most: the cylinder latch dropping off the hammer plunger and hitting the cylinder (simultaneous click), lastly the cyl latch dropping in cyl notch and sear dropping in full cock notch (usually simultaneous on perfectly timed actions, sometimes heard as two clicks on others).

#2 guns above have 4 clicks at the most: as the cylinder starts to turn the 1st click is the EJECTOR ALIGNMENT PAWL snapping over a cylinder ratchet tooth, then the cylinder latch dropping off the hammer plunger and hitting the cylinder (simultaneous #2 click), lastly the cyl latch dropping into cyl notch and sear dropping into full cock notch (#3 and 4 clicks, usually simultaneous on perfectly timed actions, sometimes heard as two clicks on others).

#3 guns are just like #1.

 

[CraigC]

You can not compare New Model Super BH and original large frame Vaquero actions with "NEW" Vaquero actions, they are not the same exact actions...

This is a little misleading. They are exactly the same, with two minor exceptions. The reverse indexing pawl, which is just a plunger that engages the ratchet and the pawl is free wheeling. Other than those two minor variations, the actions are identical.

I don't find the improved action of the New Vaquero and flat-tops to be at all Colt-like. An extra click does not make it feel like a Colt.

 

[Doug.38PR]

I don't find the improved action of the New Vaquero and flat-tops to be at all Colt-like. An extra click does not make it feel like a Colt.

Well...I was speaking relatively. Compared to the New Model Super Blackhawk large frame. But then....to be honest I've never actually worked an ACTUAL Colt SAA. I've worked the Uberti and Cimeron replicas which are basically the same thing (although I almost got run off the Colt forum for just saying that a while back :lol: )

 

[Hondo44]

I don't find the improved action of the New Vaquero and flat-tops to be at all Colt-like. An extra click does not make it feel like a Colt.

Well...I was speaking relatively. Compared to the New Model Super Blackhawk large frame. But then....to be honest I've never actually worked an ACTUAL Colt SAA. I've worked the Uberti and Cimeron replicas which are basically the same thing (although I almost got run off the Colt forum for just saying that a while back :lol: )[/quote]

You were right, they are basically the same thing, the posters on the Colt forum were just splittin' hairs over a different level of quality. If you cycled the clones then you know what the Colt action is like.

 

[CraigC]

Working the actions, I can't tell a difference between Colt's and Uberti's. Colt 'might' use better steels and their finishes are better. I can tell a difference with USFA's. Nothing else compares.

 

[sharpblade7777]

The lock is gone. I don't have it on either of my two NM Bisleys.

My new vaquero has a lock.

 

[Doug.38PR]

In six hours, I pick it up

 

[ADP3]

It's not "gone" on the Bisley Models. It was never there. So far none of the Bisley Models has had the lock.

Best Regards,
ADP3

 

[CraigC]

It's not "gone" on the Bisley Models. It was never there. So far none of the Bisley Models has had the lock.

Best Regards,
ADP3

What he said!

 

[Doug.38PR]

how soon should the bolt snap back against the cylinder after lifting from the notch in rotation?

 

[Hondo44]

Half way between notches is typical.

I tune my Colts to drop into the appproach ramp to the notch. There's a thread on how to modify Rugers to do the same.

 

[Doug.38PR]

you can do this without taking it to a smith? could you post this thread please? Mine seems to drop about 1/3rd of the way after leaving the notch

 

[Hondo44]

Doug,

No smith needed.

I don't have the thread. But I have the illustrations and dimensions if you send me an e-mail. I can't copy it into a post or PM.