Model # for integral suppressor

[richburton]

Hey everyone. I am new to this hobby.

I am attempting to prepare the ATF Form 4 while searching for a target pistol with INTEGRAL suppressor. So I called Ruger and asked for the model number but the lady gave me Ruger Mark III 10155 which would require the flash suppressor to be cut off and the barrel to be threaded. So that is not what I am looking for.

Am I asking the wrong question?

If there is no model number for the integral suppressor, then how do I fill out the ATF Form 4 ?

Thanks

 

[9x19]

Hey everyone. I am new to this hobby.

I am attempting to prepare the ATF Form 4 while searching for a target pistol with INTEGRAL suppressor. So I called Ruger and asked for the model number but the lady gave me Ruger Mark III 10155 which would require the flash suppressor to be cut off and the barrel to be threaded. So that is not what I am looking for.

Am I asking the wrong question?

If there is no model number for the integral suppressor, then how do I fill out the ATF Form 4 ?

Thanks

Ruger offers several threaded barrel models which will accept screw-on suppressors, but I'm not sure Ruger offers a pistol with integral suppressor.

All those I've seen were assembled by a suppressor manufacturer separate from Ruger.

 

[contender]

Welcome to the Forum!
Integral suppressors, (ones built into the firearm) have not been made (to my knowledge) by Ruger. As noted above, most firearms are built with a threaded barrel to allow the addition or removal of the suppressor. Any firearm (such as a Ruger 10/22) that has an integral suppressor is one built by a custom company that converts a the barrel into the suppressor. If that is what you are getting, I suggest you contact the custom maker for the info you seek.

 

[JFB]

My little knowledge/experance with NFA purchases

the form 4 is only for the NFA item and not for the firearm.

the Form 4 requires a serial number for the item, Thus one has to purchase the item BEFORE the form 4 is submitted. then the item is held in trust by the delevering dealer till the form is returned (months)

given the Ruger auto pistol design, the "barrel" is the serial numbered part of the firearm, thus for a intergal surpressed, the firearm becomes the NFA item.

the best thing is talk with the dealer that you plan to purchase the item from.

In my case, I purchsed the Ruger model 10150 (22/45 Threaded Barrel). At that time the dealer didnot have any cans available, so I was put on a list to purchase the first available 22 can that he recieved. when the dealer had a serial numbered can, I paid him for the can AND the $200 NFA stamp fee. the dealer then provided me with the form 4 for me to put the very little personal information to get signed by the Sherif. the dealer then sent the signed form to BAFT and 6 months later he recieved my stamp and gave me my can.

 

[richburton]

Thanks everyone.
I do plan on contacting my local Class III dealer soon but I thought it best to anticipate his questions first and organize my fingerprint cards, photos, ATF form 4, etc.

And when he asks what exactly I am looking for, I thought it would be smarter to give him a model number rather than a written description.

I guess I can't do that for an integrally suppressed Ruger Mark III

Again, thanks everyone. You are very helpful.

 

[richburton]

I plan on this process taking no more than 18 months and $2,000.

I am okay with all of that. My wife tells me that I work too much and need a hobby. So this is something I can do during my lunch breaks at an indoor shooting range "Big Shots".

 

[steelshooterco]

There are 2 manufacturers that I know of that do an "integrally suppressed" Ruger MKII/III version.

Below are their websites:

http://www.srtarms.com/mkii.htm

http://www.customdigitaldesignsonline.com/content/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=1249&category_id=366&vmcchk=1&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=56

 

[JFB]

Your budget and time seem to be a little pestimistic, so should be very doable. My can and host firearms were lest than halve of both. and while waiting for the stamp to return, i acquire threaded barrels for exisiting 1022's and 7722 I already had (plus the 2245)

If you are shooting at an indoor range with other shooters, you will still need ear protection so the benifits of suppressed will be mute (pun intended).

You will find your dealer's supplier and available may be the driver for your decision. another thing your dealer can advise you on is the prevailaing attitude of your Sheriff. this may lead you into establishing a "Trust" to be the owner of the item. my Sheriff is very pro class III so I just got his signiture.

One thing you might want to research is the ability to clean the internal elements. the inability to clean will cause the item to become an expendable with a given round life.

a screw on unit gives you the ability to change firearms.

another thing to know about your selection is something called "first round pop" if you plan to clandestine fire in a neighborhood

 

[triton186]

I plan on this process taking no more than 18 months and $2,000.

is this what you're looking for? a local shop in CT does some great work with suppressors. last i checked, the complete gun can be had for about half of your price, and even less if they do the work on your mk. If its not too late, check them out. its called The Freedom Shoppe in New Milford, CT. I believe they have some cool stuff on facebook too.

 

[Al James]

Here's one worth looking into:

http://awcsystech.com/amphibian.html

 

[O2HeN2]

If I may ask a base question, why integral?

Also, if your budget is $1800, you've got the money to setup an NFA trust! Seriously!

O2

 

[98_1LE]

If using an ATF form 4, which is to transfer, you will use the model # from the seller form 3 or 4 to fill out your form 4.

If you are making the suppressor you would use an ATF form 1, and would have to decide on the model and s/n, then have the required info engraved.

That said I'd suggest a screw on can. Silencerco Sparrow SS or Spectre II, or the AAC Element II, are the best .22lr cans right now.

If you want integral, the above links are good as is: TBA Suppressors

 

[rmc25]

In the early 80's I was in Potomac Arms in Alexandria, VA and they had a Ruger 22 with a bull barrel that looked to be about 6 1/2". The barrel had an integrated suppressor and looked great and balanced very well. I regret to this day that I did not buy it. It came in a Ruger factory box but I do not remember asking if it was built at the Ruger factory or by someone else.

Years later I bought one of the early govt models and it constantly reminded me of that suppressed Ruger.

rmc