Medicine and bad results.

[mistermills357]

I crash landed in the ER and it was from medication gone awry. I was a wreck, and I had to hold on to my sisters shoulder just to walk. When I talked to the doctor, I was a mess and I did not give him much useful info.
So, blood was drawn and that is what revealed the problem. So, I was admitted over-night, and by the morning the issue was resolved.
But, the issue never should have arisen, and I am not pleased that it did.

One time, I went to my mothers house and she was going through a medicine caused crisis of her own. If I had not been there, she probably would have died; because her doctor had misplaced a decimal point, and she got about 10 times what she needed.

This is not a slam against doctors, but do not place your life entirely in their hands. If something does not seem right, don't do it. I turned down a big shot of insulin, because I had informed the doctor that my blood sugar had been dropping precipitously.

It fell on deaf ears, so I took matters into my own hands, and refused the insulin. And, that is a sketchy over-view of my hospital visit. :D

If my post is scattered, is because I am scattered, the hospital visit put me through the wringer.

 

[Colonialgirl]

ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND THAT MORE PEOPLE DIE FROM MEDICAL MISTAKES THAN FROM FIREARMS.

 

[mistermills357]

ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND THAT MORE PEOPLE DIE FROM MEDICAL MISTAKES THAN FROM FIREARMS.

Yes mam, they do, and everyone here is intelligent, and I am not telling them much. I had to post because I am so vexed.

 

[gasbag]

I spent my life working in hospitals.
As a result I am the world's worst patient.
I question everything, refuse what I know to be unnecessary and read everything twice.
The last time I was in the ER they were going to admit me for monitoring and administering drugs.
I monitored myself just fine and showed up everyday at 1PM to get hooked up to an IV for an hour.
I did that for a week. I can't begin to imagine the money they didn't get to squeeze out of me.

 

[ronto]

My Grandmother refused to go to the hospital even when recommended by her doctor. She always said that when her friends went to the hospital they never got out alive...she passed away peacefully in her sleep at the ripe old age of 98 and was alert and healthy to the end.

 

[Don Lovel]

I have seen so many Diabetics and Dialysis patients who were getting cheated on meds, bad batch, new formula, whatever, crash them big time. Good gal pal of mine was a clinical specialist for dialysis, she said the end times are coming fast for people in need, cause Medicare and the Agenda think they are dead weight

 

[CGDustDevil]

Glad to hear you got through it mistermills357! A lot don't. My dad died because a slew of doctors didn't recognize heart failure symptoms. That was 1988. In 2012, my brother had the very same thing happen, only a young ER doctor said "Hey... This guy's suffering heart failure!" Got him into the ER, figured out he had a failing heart valve... Took him apart, installed a new valve, did some PT, booted him out and sent him home. He's been doing great ever since, but it was ONLY because ONE doctor out of about a half dozen recognized his symptoms.

I have weened myself off most of the meds that I've been prescribed over the past several years, and handle a LOT of my health problems naturally with diet, natural remedies etc. I figure the less I visit the doctor, the less chance they'll have of screwing something up!

Best regards, Pete

 

[Rick Courtright]

Hi,

Next door neighbor just came home after nine days in the hospital, admitted thru ER via 9-1-1 call for acute pancreatitis. There were no previous problems in that department he knew of. They found a cyst on the pancreas, and are monitoring it for now. Doc thinks it was caused by a medication he's been taking for a while for mildly elevated BP. They changed the medication--neighbor's worried about what happens next! I would be, too.

Rick C

 

[vhntr1]

Our medical system sucks ,my father passed away three weeks ago .He had mutiapal blood clots on both lungs had him on blood thinner for 7 days ,I asked the doctor when they were going to recheck the lungs with another cat scan ,he said they don't do that anymore.He could only have one cat scan welcome to Obama care when you get so old It Sucks!

 

[pisgah]

Never forget -- every time you take a dose of any medication, prescription or over-the-counter, you are volunteering for an ongoing medical experiment. Every drug creates adverse side effects in at least a few people, up to and including death. There's absolutely no reason why one of the few unfortunate folks can't be you.

 

[gramps]

Glad to hear you got through it mistermills357! A lot don't. My dad died because a slew of doctors didn't recognize heart failure symptoms. That was 1988. In 2012, my brother had the very same thing happen, only a young ER doctor said "Hey... This guy's suffering heart failure!" Got him into the ER, figured out he had a failing heart valve... Took him apart, installed a new valve, did some PT, booted him out and sent him home. He's been doing great ever since, but it was ONLY because ONE doctor out of about a half dozen recognized his symptoms.

I have weened myself off most of the meds that I've been prescribed over the past several years, and handle a LOT of my health problems naturally with diet, natural remedies etc. I figure the less I visit the doctor, the less chance they'll have of screwing something up!

Best regards, Pete

Wow Pete, that sucks. Any Critical Care nurse can identify heart failure in about 5 heart beats! :shock: The medical field is NOT GETTING BETTER! I retired two years ago due to the trends. I have a friend that went in for his colonoscopy, had 4 polyps removed, and the next afternoon passed out in his bathroom at home. His wife called an ambulance. They loaded him up on fluids. Stayed in ICU for 24-36 hours. I am diabetic, take insulin, and have NEVER been hospitalized for it. I diagnosed myself, treated it with diet and exercise for 5 years, then told my doctor what I needed. I do have an edge by being familiar with the disease processes, and the medications. Good luck!
gramps

 

[Skidboot]

If I divided all of my medical experiences into three categories (1) Good (correct diagnosis, treatment, etc.), (2) Neutral (neither harm nor benefit), and (3) Bad (incorrect diagnosis, poor treatment, etc.), the largest category would be neutral. But bad would be a close second, and good would be the smallest for sure.

I've been fortunate thus far in not having too much interaction with health care providers, but I dread when I have to put myself in their hands. I second guess everything I'm told, and I try never to ask a question I don't already know the answer to. About the best you can expect from a provider is an attitude of callous indifference. The patient who finds a doctor who knows what he's doing and cares about the outcome is lucky indeed.

 

[caryc]

Never forget -- every time you take a dose of any medication, prescription or over-the-counter, you are volunteering for an ongoing medical experiment. Every drug creates adverse side effects in at least a few people, up to and including death. There's absolutely no reason why one of the few unfortunate folks can't be you.

One of those "stop smoking" drugs, I think it was Chantix skims quickly over the side affects of it in their commercials. One of those side affects is "suicidal tendencies".

Nothing wrong with that, right? At least if you kill yourself, you will quit smoking.

 

[Jimbo357mag]

One of those "stop smoking" drugs, I think it was Chantix skims quickly over the side affects of it in their commercials. One of those side affects is "suicidal tendencies".

Nothing wrong with that, right? At least if you kill yourself, you will quit smoking.

That's true of most all the mood/anti-depression drugs also. I have to stick up for Chantix though because it really helped me to quit smoking once and for all. It was hard to tell whether the effects I had when quitting were from the drug or from the withdrawal from nicotine. Your mood, dreams, nervous reactions all happen when quitting but the drug eliminated the desire to smoke for me. I think 6 years after quitting I still have nicotine effects and I still dream about smoking but I don't ever have the desire for a cigarette now. :D

 

[Ka6otm]

One of those "stop smoking" drugs, I think it was Chantix skims quickly over the side affects of it in their commercials. One of those side affects is "suicidal tendencies".

Nothing wrong with that, right? At least if you kill yourself, you will quit smoking.

That's true of most all the mood/anti-depression drugs also. I have to stick up for Chantix though because it really helped me to quit smoking once and for all. It was hard to tell whether the effects I had when quitting were from the drug or from the withdrawal from nicotine. Your mood, dreams, nervous reactions all happen when quitting but the drug eliminated the desire to smoke for me. I think 6 years after quitting I still have nicotine effects and I still dream about smoking but I don't ever have the desire for a cigarette now. :D

I always went "what?" when I heard those ads. When the wife and I quit, we used the patch and all that we go for symptoms were being high for an hour after putting the patch on and technicolor, 3D dreams.

We quit 7-½ years ago or so and have no dreams of smoking or urges to smoke.

In the last 3 years, I've fired my Internist, my Optometrist and my Dentist.

Each one was fired for trying to run a con on me for money. I guess Doctors suffer from a major lack of ethics these days or perhaps they feel that since you're over 60 you've suddenly gone stupid.

 

[opos]

My Wife has thyroid issues and takes a thyroid medication..several years ago she was really feeling bad...very sick and extremely nervous...she went to the doc and he had asked her to bring all her medicine bottles with her...not just a list as she normally had done as he had altered several of her meds...he found that the pharmacy had given her a dose of thyroid pills that were 100 times what they should have been based on a mistaken read of the prescription by the pharmacist...it could have easily thrown her into heart failure....Really difficult to trust any of them when things like that happen..just a matter of a little decimal point and a couple of zeros can kill.

 

[Colonialgirl]

One of those "stop smoking" drugs, I think it was Chantix skims quickly over the side affects of it in their commercials. One of those side affects is "suicidal tendencies".

Nothing wrong with that, right? At least if you kill yourself, you will quit smoking.

That's true of most all the mood/anti-depression drugs also. I have to stick up for Chantix though because it really helped me to quit smoking once and for all. It was hard to tell whether the effects I had when quitting were from the drug or from the withdrawal from nicotine. Your mood, dreams, nervous reactions all happen when quitting but the drug eliminated the desire to smoke for me. I think 6 years after quitting I still have nicotine effects and I still dream about smoking but I don't ever have the desire for a cigarette now. :D

I always went "what?" when I heard those ads. When the wife and I quit, we used the patch and all that we go for symptoms were being high for an hour after putting the patch on and technicolor, 3D dreams.

We quit 7-½ years ago or so and have no dreams of smoking or urges to smoke.

In the last 3 years, I've fired my Internist, my Optometrist and my Dentist.

Each one was fired for trying to run a con on me for money. I guess Doctors suffer from a major lack of ethics these days or perhaps they feel that since you're over 60 you've suddenly gone stupid.

Smoking??
Sorry guys, when I quit it was "COLD TURKEY" and I was at 1-2 packs a day.

 

[caryc]

Smoking??
Sorry guys, when I quit it was "COLD TURKEY" and I was at 1-2 packs a day.

Me too. Smoking and drinking. They didn't have any of those substitute drugs back when I quit.

Now days people can't be expected to do anything by themselves. Always need something or someone to lean on, or blame when things don't go right.

I think that's whats put this country in the mess it's in now.

 

[Jimbo357mag]

Now days people can't be expected to do anything by themselves. Always need something or someone to lean on, or blame when things don't go right.

I think that's whats put this country in the mess it's in now.

Do you take Novocain when you go to the dentist or a Motrin when you hurt your back or have a headache? Maybe you think a broken leg is a good time to 'tough it out', not me. Taking advantage of modern pharmacology is a 'smart thing' in most cases.

I don't think the whole country is in a mess because we have modern drugs to help people. That is just silly. If we have a problem in this country it is because so many people are uneducated, weak minded and not responsible for themselves. :D

 

[Colonialgirl]

Now days people can't be expected to do anything by themselves. Always need something or someone to lean on, or blame when things don't go right.

I think that's whats put this country in the mess it's in now.

Do you take Novocain when you go to the dentist or a Motrin when you hurt your back or have a headache? Maybe you think a broken leg is a good time to 'tough it out', not me. Taking advantage of modern pharmacology is a 'smart thing' in most cases.

I don't think the whole country is in a mess because we have modern drugs to help people. That is just silly. If we have a problem in this country it is because so many people are uneducated, weak minded and not responsible for themselves. :D

Quote}"Do you take Novocain when you go to the dentist or a Motrin when you hurt your back or have a headache? Maybe you think a broken leg is a good time to 'tough it out', not me"{Quote


NOT EVEN A CLOSE COMPARISON IN THE SAME AREA. With the last bit of your spew, I guess you were looking in a mirror.

 

[dougader]

My Mom died because of bad medicine. It was taken off the market some time later.

My uncle died because his surgeon removed his healthy lung and left him with his cancerous lung...

You're singing to the choir with this issue and me.

 

[Bull Barrel]

Jimbo said...
"we have a problem in this country it is because so many people are uneducated, weak minded and not responsible for themselves. :D"

Isn't that exactly what caryc said?

 

[caryc]

Now days people can't be expected to do anything by themselves. Always need something or someone to lean on, or blame when things don't go right.

I think that's whats put this country in the mess it's in now.

Do you take Novocain when you go to the dentist or a Motrin when you hurt your back or have a headache? Maybe you think a broken leg is a good time to 'tough it out', not me. Taking advantage of modern pharmacology is a 'smart thing' in most cases.

I don't think the whole country is in a mess because we have modern drugs to help people. That is just silly. If we have a problem in this country it is because so many people are uneducated, weak minded and not responsible for themselves. :D

You must be taking too many drugs since you're unable to understand what I said.

I said "substitute" drugs as in substitute for will power. Your reference to not taking any pain killers for a broken leg is completely absurd as is your thought processes.

I don't remember being in any pain when I quit smoking or quit drinking. I used simple will power, I didn't need to drug myself up.

 

[Ka6otm]

Smoking??
Sorry guys, when I quit it was "COLD TURKEY" and I was at 1-2 packs a day.

Me too. Smoking and drinking. They didn't have any of those substitute drugs back when I quit.

Now days people can't be expected to do anything by themselves. Always need something or someone to lean on, or blame when things don't go right.

I think that's whats put this country in the mess it's in now.

Back when I was 14 I got in a bad accident and got burned over 2/3 of my body. The hospital gave me morphine 5 or 6 times a day for a few months.

I went cold turkey on it and got off by myself.

Ever done that? Makes quitting smoking seem like the insignificant thing it is.

 

[vito]

I don't deny that hospitals are dangerous places, and some doctors are not as well trained or up to date as they should be, and some just flat out make mistakes. But modern medicine has achieved some great results, and being so afraid of the possibility of getting bad care that you end up denying yourself the good care is pretty foolish. I am 73, and almost surely would have died 20 years ago had I not been properly diagnosed with asymtomatic significant blockages in five major blood vessels of my heart. Most likely I would dropped dead within at most another year or two, and folks would have said "but he seemed so healthy". I underwent quintuple coronary bypass surgery and have been heart-disease free for the last twenty years (in part because now my cholesterol levels and blood pressure are well controlled). Arthritis had virtually crippled me, making it almost impossible to walk more than a few feet before stopping due to the pain, but a bilateral knee replacement has let me live a full and active life (the only thing I cannot do is run, which would pound the prosthetic knees and end up damaging them). I was losing my vision and underwent two partial corneal transplants to correct an inherited condition called Fuch's Dystrophy, a surgery only invented in the last few years, and now I am cured of this progressively blinding condition. A good and observant dermatologist, who has treated me for literally dozens of minor skin cancers, also found melanoma on two occasions, and it was early enough in their development that I was able to fully rid myself of that deadly cancer. And finally, when I had a CAT scan a few years ago to evaluate a kidney stone, an observant radiologist found that I had an early but potentially fatal cancerous tumor on my other kidney. A successful kidney removal shortly afterwards now makes me no more likely than someone who never had cancer to have a reoccurrence.

The above lengthy description of what I have been through in the last twenty years is not to bore or frighten anyone. It is to say that medicine has a lot to offer. Yes, I have had problems on occasion with poor care, and came close to dying after a staph lung infection that was not diagnosed until I was almost gone, but overall I have seen great benefit from good care. Don't shy away from care, just be sensible about it. Get a second opinion (very few people really do this even if they know they should) before anything major. Do your own research, the internet makes that very possible for most conditions. Make sure you have an advocate who can deal with the medical and hospital staff while you are not yourself due to whatever ailment you are suffering from. But don't be so afraid of being the victim of a mistake that you fail to use what is out there for you. Take this from somewhere who has been there. But at 73 I ride a Honda Goldwing, bicycle 10-15 miles daily, shoot regularly, and enjoy life to the fullest.

 

[caryc]

Smoking??
Sorry guys, when I quit it was "COLD TURKEY" and I was at 1-2 packs a day.

Me too. Smoking and drinking. They didn't have any of those substitute drugs back when I quit.

Now days people can't be expected to do anything by themselves. Always need something or someone to lean on, or blame when things don't go right.

I think that's whats put this country in the mess it's in now.

Back when I was 14 I got in a bad accident and got burned over 2/3 of my body. The hospital gave me morphine 5 or 6 times a day for a few months.

I went cold turkey on it and got off by myself.

Ever done that? Makes quitting smoking seem like the insignificant thing it is.

That only reinforces my point. Human will power can do great things. Some people would rather just turn to a drug instead of using it.

When you need medical help, you need it. Just don't abuse it or any other kind of help.

 

[Colonialgirl]

I do not turn away from medical care, BUT I do check up on what they tell me by visiting several medical texts I have handy and by "on line" searches at various medical websites.

It is kind of funny being told I "need" to lose weight when the Medical person telling me THAT has a BIGGER BUTT than mine !! :shock: :shock: :shock: :roll: :roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :wink:

 

[exavid]

I've been suspicious of various medicines for diabetes. Seems every time they bring a new one on the market it's taken off because of bad side effects. I got my doctor to take me off oral treatment and went on insulin because I believe it's easier on the body than any of the pills since it's more or less a natural thing in your body. Just pumping up the volume a bit. It's less convenient than pills but hopefully won't do as much collateral damage. At least it's a lot cheaper for insulin and syringes than those Januvia pills cost in co-pay.