MAYBE start a new topic- electronic sights

sliclee

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I am not mentally equipped to start such a topic but there is much to learn about whats available.
Especially now, our govt is dumping what our guys use now as well as other govts seem to be looking at same thing.
The prices are V high I assume because govt doesn't care what they spend, its not their money, its ours. What say you!
 
I only have 1 red dot. Its an Aimpoint PRO. 3 year continuous operation on 1 battery. The newer ones say a 7 year life from 1 battery. 2 MOA dot which is one of the smallest available. The quick detatch mount is imo the best out there. Rifle sights co-witness with the dot. Can't go wrong with one of these!

A friend has an Eotech and an ACOG.

The Eotech - Larger 4 MOA dot and circle. Too busy of a sight picture for my tastes. I prefer keeping it simple with just a dot. Quick detatch mounts are available but pricey and more complicated than they need to be. Plus Eotech settled on a lawsuit recently if I recall correctly due to putting out units not up to spec.

The ACOG - PRICEY! But some of the best glass I've ever looked through. 4x magnification so it really doesn't belong in a comparison of red dot sights. Tritium crosshairs that are simply awesome and no batteries to worry about. If I had the money to burn I would put one on my 20" heavy barreled 223 bolt action but I've already blown way too much $$ on that rig already!
 
I have an inexpensive Bushnell TRS 25 on my AR. It is decent & I like the concept but I would like to have an ACOG or EOTECH. I really need to do some research. I have heard the Primary Arms sights are great for their pricepoint. That may be what I end up with.
 
Been runnin an Aimpoint CompML3/2MOA (co-witnessed on my irons) for several years on a work gun. Five years on a single battery (that is replaced yearly on my birthday....just because) and is pretty much "me" proof. Makes the bullets go right where they are most needed........the newer units are now up to eight years on a battery. There are some that prefer the EoTech but, because there is usually one that has a dead battery, I never felt the love. ACOG is awesome but I never saw the need to spend that kinda money........that said, if a good used one ever shows up at a decent price I may pop for it. 8)
 
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Because I have a very narrow focus (pun not intended) of what sights should be on a gun, it was only very recently that I tried a low-end electronic sight on a new 10/22 I acquired. Took the gun out of the safe last night to try a different stock, and lo-and-behold, the battery was dead on the sight. Seems I did not shut it off after I left the range last time.

So...An electronic sight that has a dead battery is worse than worthless. I have already re-thought my experiment and I took the sight off.

Something about old dogs comes to mind. 8)

WAYNO.
 
Wayno,
Ya can't blame the sight when it's user error! Haha! I have some scopes with illuminated crosshairs and I occasionally forget to turn them off before putting them back in the safe. The illuminated Leupold I have does shut itself off after a certain amount of time so thats a battery and frustration saver.
 
rugerjunkie said:
Wayno,
Ya can't blame the sight when it's user error! Haha! I have some scopes with illuminated crosshairs and I occasionally forget to turn them off before putting them back in the safe. The illuminated Leupold I have does shut itself off after a certain amount of time so thats a battery and frustration saver.

I blamed only myself, but no matter who was to blame, the results were the same...A completely unusable sight. So, maybe if I had put a more expensive unit on my 10/22, it would have been dummy proof. I don't see me spending that much on a novelty that I would only trust and/or use at the range, so I think my experiment with electronic sights is about done. :?

WAYNO.
 
WAYNO said:
Because I have a very narrow focus (pun not intended) of what sights should be on a gun, it was only very recently that I tried a low-end electronic sight on a new 10/22 I acquired. Took the gun out of the safe last night to try a different stock, and lo-and-behold, the battery was dead on the sight. Seems I did not shut it off after I left the range last time.

So...An electronic sight that has a dead battery is worse than worthless. I have already re-thought my experiment and I took the sight off.

Something about old dogs comes to mind. 8)

WAYNO.

Batteries have come a long way in the past 20 years. As noted, some last 8 years. But my old iron sights will last for a couple centuries. :wink:
 
Dead bat in safe your error.
What I read new bats last 4 to 6 monthsor so almost every gun has a spare in grips.
Lets forget bats and discuss sights themselves.
Is a dot enough for us.
WW 2 2+ million men armed in a world conflict with adjustable iron sights with no problems
Looked up IDF mepro oh lord, they also are changing, are we going to have a glut of used electro sights from all govts.
Looking up electro I see many using 2 glass scopes tandem.
Im closing in on new rifle quite a few problems with steel sights.
Is this a new phenomena or a way to get our loot.
 
My Aimpoint CompM2 has been running on the battery it came with when I bought it in 2007. I have a spare in the pistol grip of my M-4 but even if it dies in the middle of a firefight it doesn't matter as I can cowitness my iron sights through the Aimpoint.
Most Acogs don't use a battery they use fiber optics along with triduium lamps
Even my Tasco PDP3 sights use c3032 batteries and will last at least a year.
One more thing dot sights are easy to use and lightning fast for target acquisition that's why the military are using them .
They are an improvement over iron sights.

Lou
 
Old eyes mean you can't see iron sights without glasses, and if you can see the sights you wonder which target to shoot at.

Age and geographic location make a big difference in what kind of sights are most useful. Try going hog hunting at night with iron sights, it is different than prairie dog shooting. self defence shooting at 2 yards is a good place for iron sights.

Optical and electronic sights have a big following for good reasons. Some manufactures are better than others which is why folks like reviews on different models.
 
Take a look at what's on the drawing board:

Military Imaging and Surveillance Technology (MIST)
Dr. Richard M. Heinrichs
The Military Imaging and Surveillance Technology (MIST) program will develop a fundamentally new optical ISR capability that can provide high-resolution 3-D images to locate and identify a target at much longer ranges than is possible with existing optical systems. Several prototype optical surveillance and observation systems will be developed that will: (1) demonstrate probabilities of recognition and identification at distances sufficient to allow stand-off engagement; (2) overcome atmospheric turbulence, which now limits the ability of high-resolution optics; and (3) increase target identification confidence to reduce fratricide and/or collateral damage. The program will develop and integrate the necessary component technologies including high-energy pulsed lasers, receiver telescopes that have a field of view and depth of field that obviates the need for steering or focusing the optical system, computational imaging algorithms to improve system resolution, and data exploitation and analysis tools. Advances in laser systems, digital imagers, and novel image processing algorithms will be leveraged to reduce the overall size, weight and power of imaging systems to allow for soldier portable and UAV platform integration. MIST will also continue to integrate technologies developed under the Crosswind Sensor System for Snipers (C-WINS) and the Dynamic Image Gunsight Optics (DInGO) efforts. MIST will develop an optical rifle scope that enables a soldier, with minimal training, to shoot a firearm with marksman accuracy at range while also enhancing the capability for close quarters combat. The MIST program will transition the developed rifle-scope to the Army, Marines, and Special Operations Forces. The optical ISR technology will transition to the Air Force and SOCOM.

http://www.darpa.mil/program/military-imaging-and-surveillance-technology
 
And in a forest of trees both small and many images; then we move our group along back to heavy growth no confusion insight image?. These gadgets were developed in open area,sand,flat no bunches of growth.
I guess we don't need them.
Today I got American Rifleman big article, are they going after our money, pistols being made with slide cut outs for those sights to fit in, new holsters,of course, to fit the new sights, soon to come, hang on to your money.
 
longspurr said:
Old eyes mean you can't see iron sights without glasses, and if you can see the sights you wonder which target to shoot at.

Age and geographic location make a big difference in what kind of sights are most useful. Try going hog hunting at night with iron sights, it is different than prairie dog shooting. self defence shooting at 2 yards is a good place for iron sights.

Optical and electronic sights have a big following for good reasons. Some manufactures are better than others which is why folks like reviews on different models.

Well said, I had to pretty much stop shooting my T-series Hi-Power because of the black fixed front sight. I was gonna change it out but my buddy threatened me with "great bodily harm" if I was to cut on that gun. So, I dab some white paint on it when I wanna shoot it in the shade................ :wink:
 

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