"Lipstick" bullets

[volshooter]

I tried and like ACME BULLET COMPANY's NLG coated "lipstick" bullets. Shot the first 500 and ordered another 500 in two different calibers. I love shooting lead because of the cost and I don't cast anymore. These can be pushed faster without leading. I'm using 6gr of Unique for 200gr .45acp and same in 124gr 9mm, so I'm not pushing them real fast. They shoot great and are easy on the wallet.
45ACP 200gr. SWC-NLG coated $52/500
9mm 124gr. RN-NLG coated $37/500
Great discounts for bulk.
Anyone else try these?
Eaggleston has a polymer something bullet, that according to their FAQ can be pushed real fast and $5 flat shipping.

 

[Jim Puke]

As it stands now, my guns will only shoot "lipstick" (powder coat)lead bullets...but I apply the lipstick. I have shot some of my lipstick bullets at nearly 1700fps from .357 single shot...with no fouling of any type...so you are correct about being able to push them a little faster with good results.

I am sure the bullets you are using will perform well for whomever gives them a try as I have never seen anything negative about ACME bullets.

 

[powder smoke]

Tell me more Jim, sounds interesting, ps

 

[contender]

I, like Jim do my own powder coating. I cast & coat myself. I like it a lot. Plus,,, I see a lot of coated bullets used in USPSA competition now.

 

[mikld]

I powder coat 5 different bullets for my guns; 4 for handguns and one .30 cal for two rifles. PCing can get addicting though. Once I got set up and coated a bunch of bullets, I tried other stuff, a metal hammer handle, a shower weight (a 3 lb. ingot I use to keep the shower curtain off me) a trailer hitch tube, etc. Powder Coating is tough and good looking...

 

[volshooter]

Is bullet powder coating similar to the way we used to coat lead head jigs?
One article I read online claimed another company coat their bullets 3 times and then resize.
Recycling really dried up the available lead, and every kind of metal around here. Po folks looking to make a buck.

 

[Three50seven]

I've been ordering bullets, both coated and normal cast for about a year now. Their Lipstick 9mm bullets perform really well and are much cleaner than lead. I actually have a large order on the way now, including some Lipstick .38 and .44 semi-wadcutters. I will try and remember to post a range report after I get some loaded up.

 

[PO2Hammer]

Haven't tried the ACMEs yet, but they're made next door in Wisconsin and I like the design and color, so I might give them a try.
I've been shooting 'The Blue Bullets' quite a bit lately and am very satisfied.
The SWC's are 500/$55, the 357 RN's are 750/$58 shipping included. Both are no lube groove and square base.
Some 25 yard winter shooting (fliers are on me).

 

[volshooter]

At out February shoot yesterday, I passed out a couple of boxes of .45ACP 200gr. lipsticks 6gr Unique to some of the others. Some of their groups tightened up 40-75% @ 10 yards. We're not to the point of longer range yet, just self defense stuff. Some of them are reloaders but use ball, jacketed and plated projectiles. I didn't hear anything but positive things and wanting to know the website.
I went through about 800 rounds of 9 & 45. Some went through more. I think there was 25 of us and we shot for 6 hours. The last 2 hours was tactical, engaging multiple targets standing and walking and some hostage type shooting. This was only our second gathering and sadly, the new shooters failed to show up. (the ones that could benefit the most from training) While enhanced training was done with our carry weapons, every one brought several to play with. Several suppressed were there and all had the chance to try them.
I'm gonna bulk order some more 200swc lipsticks.

 

[contender]

We had our monthly USPSA match at my range yesterday. I see more & more PC coated bullets in guns now than ever. People are discovering how good they are. Glad I do my own!

 

[volshooter]

Contender, got an unbelievable deal on a Glock 21 yesterday. A gen 4 complete new kit for $490 out the door, included tax and back ground check.
Glock states any but factory ammo voids warranty, it is only a 1 year warranty anyway.
I do not load max rounds, just target loads.
You have any knowledge of problems with less than max loads for the Glock?

I want to use this one for range use with Lipstick loads, accuracy first.
Powder coated projectiles can be had for .10 each and according to website, they are good to go for Glocks. Just tired of "having" to use Factory ammo for Glocks to keep the 1 year warranty good.

I would love to run lipsticks around 800-850 fps for general target shooting due to cost.

Looking forward to your posts, may repost about Glocks and reloads.

 

[contender]

I will say I do not own any Glocks. I have heard of older issues of using lead ammo in them,,, but I THINK they fixed that issue.
In USPSA,,, a lot of Glocks are used,,, and many with PCed bullets. Also,,, in USPSA,,, a lot of folks reload their own ammo, and the big thing is "power factor." If they are shooting a 40 S&W or others,,, then they want a power factor to make "major" for scoring. Production is all scored "minor" and as such, they also want just enough power to make their class.
Power factor.
"Minor" is a minimum of 125 & "Major" is a minimum of 165.
It's bullet weight, multiplied by velocity, then that number divided by 1000.
Example; in my 45 acp, I shoot a 230 grn bullet. At 725 fps, my PF would be; 166.75. (230 x 725 = 166750. 166750 divided by 1000 = 166.75.)
In a 9mm,,, a 115 grn bullet loaded to 1100 fps will give 126.5 PF.

If your Glock is a 9mm,,, I see no reason you can't use a powder coated bullet in it. I saw several Glocks shooting PCed bullets saturday.

 

[Jimbo357mag]

The Glock and lead bullets thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygonal_rifling

quote> The manufacturer Glock advises against using lead bullets (meaning bullets not covered by a copper jacket) in their polygonally rifled barrels, which has led to a widespread belief that polygonal rifling is not compatible with lead bullets. Firearms expert and barrel maker, the late Gale McMillan, has also commented that lead bullets and polygonal rifling are not a good mix. Neither H&K nor Kahr explicitly recommend against lead bullets in their polygonal rifled barrels, suggesting that there might be an additional factor involved in Glock's warning. Kahr's warns that lead bullets can cause additional fouling[7] and recommends special attention to cleaning after their use. While H&K doesn't insist on a copper jacket, at least one well-documented catastrophic incident in an H&K pistol[8] may be related to this issue. Furthermore, Dave Spaulding, well-known gun writer, reported in the February/March 2008 issue of Handguns Magazine that when he queried H&K about their polygonally rifled barrels that they commented: "It has been their experience that polygonal rifling will foul with lead at a greater rate than will conventional rifling." <end quote

there is more...

 

[WMB30]

I have shot lead only for years in a Glock 40 S&W without any problem. Originally my cast lubed bullets, last two years my cast powder coated bullets.

Bill

 

[Three50seven]

Got a chance to shoot up some of the 38cal 158gr SWC "lipstick" bullets from Acme this evening. I loaded these in .38spl cases over a hefty charge of 5.6grs of W231. THIS IS BEYOND A MAX LOAD FOR .38 SPL, IT IS SAFE TO SHOOT IN MY .357 BLACKHAWK, USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!! I loaded them this hot in order to see if they would cause any leading.

Accuracy was average or above, I didn't shoot enough to give a decisive answer on that. I did recover 5 of the bullets from the tires stacked up behind my target stand. As you can see from the pic, they deformed very little and retained on average 99% of their weight. They passed through two sheets of plywood and one side of a belted radial tire. I didn't get the chrony out, but judging by the loading manual, they should have been going approx. 1000fps out of my 6.5" Blackhawk. Upon inspection, there was little to no leading present after 20 rounds.

 

[volshooter]

Had to revisit ACME's website to be sure, They state their powder coated bullets are safe for polygonal rifling.
The new Glock is a full sized .45ACP.
My standard load of 200gr. SWC's around 820-840 fps work very well in my 1911's.
I read the Glock manual 3 times. They only state that factory ammo should only be used, nothing about lead projectiles.
Since the warranty is only for 1 year, I am going to see if this gluck likes my powder coated rounds.
I don't expect any problems with leading, but good groups with the powder coated.
Not a Glock fan but could not pass this one up. Might be a good one for tacticial shooting. After adding the backstrap that fits me it actually feels good.
We will see after our next shoot if the gluck performs well in tactical situtions.
A bud of mine and I have agreed to split the next order of 2000.
Have yet to try the 9mm coated that I ordered. I expect good accuracy and no leading.

 

[jimbo1096]

How does the home caster "powder coat" the bullets? Does it "molecularly bond to the bullet totally encapsulating it"? Do you size before or after powder coating or use "as cast"?
I'd like to hear more about the process.

 

[Three50seven]

How does the home caster "powder coat" the bullets? Does it "molecularly bond to the bullet totally encapsulating it"? Do you size before or after powder coating or use "as cast"?
I'd like to hear more about the process.

These guys can tell you more than you ever needed of wanted to know about PC'ing bullets:
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/forumdisplay.php?184-Coatings-and-Alternatives

 

[Jimbo357mag]

How does the home caster "powder coat" the bullets? Does it "molecularly bond to the bullet totally encapsulating it"? Do you size before or after powder coating or use "as cast"?
I'd like to hear more about the process.

Contender gives you his method at the bottom of the page here.

http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=235598

 

[jimbo1096]

Guess this is similar to your method and gave me some ideas of my own.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irF984ukYsI