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In the political forum there was a post about a store clerk grabbing the shotgun away from a would be robber.

This reminded me of the TV show "Nikita" These are like super spy, trained assassin, black ops people and there is a lot of that gun grabbing going on in that show. It's that old bit about where the guy is so fast and grabs the bad guys gun right out of his hand. They seem to be really fond of using this technique a lot in the show.

My question is, if those people are so super trained assassins and killers, why would they get close enough so someone could grab their gun in the first place?

It's also amazing that the good guys can be in a room of maybe 25 feet across and have a shootout with the bad guys firing mac 10's and never get hit while fighting their way out with only semi auto hand guns. Those guys using those automatic weapons never seem to hit anything. Why don't those TV people ever realize that people are getting sick of seeing that crap?

The "anti gun" people must never watch TV or they would realize that full auto weapons are useless because you can't hit anything with them. :mrgreen:

It always tickles me when in a TV show some bad guy holding a rifle gets that muzzle within a foot of the intended victim. If I was going to die in that situation, I'd certainly grab that rifle barrel. Of course I wouldn't pull it into my stomach.

A gun only gives you the advantage if you are not stupid enough to get close enough to your victim so he can grab your gun.
 
I'm sure that there are exceptions but, from what I've seen in real life most one on one confrontations are over within two or three shots.

As far as movies go, the old Clint Eastwood movies (Dirty Harry) - (Magnum Force) are about as close to realistic as it gets as far as shots being fired in a shootout.
 
But if the guy with the gun didn't get so close how would the story progress. :wink:
And all sofas are made out of Kevlar or some other ballistic material
 
Again, it's all make believe. In the fight scenes they always throw roundhouse punches-"throw your punches for the camera" as they say.
 
Weapon retention as a Martial Art Kata unto itself, practice it, think about it, have your rig where you can protect your firearm. Lots of stupid people in public, if you open carry, snatching attempt could happen either from antigun kook or criminal/terrorist/soon to be dead idiot trying.
Carrying one hand opening knife on weak side, gun butt positioned where your elbow and forearm can block a grab or force the gun to stay in the holster, and utilizing retention design holsters as the normal carry method
 
I have noted in a TV program within the last two weeks or so a supposedly expert gunman being held in subjection by a guy holding a gun about a foot from his head and in his vision, well within grabbing distance. The gun was an uncocked single action revolver!.
 
RonSwanson said:
I have noted in a TV program within the last two weeks or so a supposedly expert gunman being held in subjection by a guy holding a gun about a foot from his head and in his vision, well within grabbing distance. The gun was an uncocked single action revolver!.
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:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 
My dad always was good on advice. He told us kids: 'Keep your distance. Never give the other guy a chance to take your firearm away from you and shove it up..." Well, you know the rest.

And no... Do NOT stick your finger in the end of the barrel. That only works in movies. ;)
 
A good case for a lanyard. Jeff Cooper once said it's hard to take someone's gun away when it's attached to them.
 
I don't expect real life and movies/TV shows to have anything in common. Rarely in the movies do the good guys ever have to hit the bad guy with more than one round to either kill him to totally incapacitate him. Some shows have the actors firing far more rounds than any magazine could possibly hold. And of course accuracy at great distances with a handgun shooting a moving target is child's play for the hero. I always get a good laugh out of movies where the supposedly dangerous bad guys never hit the hero with any of their rounds but the hero never wastes a bullet on anything but kill shots of the bad guys who drop like flies.

I took a young relative to the range one time, which was the first time he ever had the chance to fire a real gun. He was astonished that he could not hit a paper target at 5 yards at first. His only "knowledge" of guns was from TV/movies and video games. This real life experience shocked him as to how much skill was needed to fire a gun accurately, even when the target is not moving and only a relatively short distance away. After teaching him the basics he did pretty well but he ended the day with a lot more realistic respect for shooting and guns in general. And even with hearing protection, he remarked that he never knew just how really loud a handgun was, saying it was never that loud on TV. What a surprise!
 
One thing that I find just totally ludicrous is when the 'heroes' go after the bad guys in their lair, the good guys always only bring handguns. The bad guys doubtless have automatic weapons, but all the good guys need to prevail are handguns. Show me a real life cop (or soldier) who would willingly go against even the possibility of automatic weapons (or any long gun) with only a handgun! Jack Bauer from 24 was always a prime example of this fallacy.
 
Enigma said:
One thing that I find just totally ludicrous is when the 'heroes' go after the bad guys in their lair, the good guys always only bring handguns. The bad guys doubtless have automatic weapons, but all the good guys need to prevail are handguns. Show me a real life cop (or soldier) who would willingly go against even the possibility of automatic weapons (or any long gun) with only a handgun! Jack Bauer from 24 was always a prime example of this fallacy.
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And how about when they go into the bad guys dark lair and search around for ten minutes then all of a sudden they hear a sound coming from one of the other rooms and then they rack the slide on that magic hand gun. All the while they were walking around with no round in the chamber. Don't you just love it? :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
 
I like the TV movie Open Range but it is somewhat spoiled for me.

The Kevin Costner character pulls his Colt SAA, shoots the hired gun once in the head, turns to another guy and starts fanning his gun, shooting this guy a total of seven times.

A guy is shot in the back through a wall with a double barreled shotgun and is lifted off the ground and flies in the air clear across an alley and bounces off the opposite wall.

And who can forget Lethal Weapon II when Mel Gibson with his 9mm shoots a guy in the cab of a bulldozer who is protected by the raised Bulldozer blade, looks at his partner and says, "armor piercing bullets."
 
A guy is shot in the back through a wall with a double barreled shotgun and is lifted off the ground and flies in the air clear across an alley and bounces off the opposite wall.
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I remember this scene and the way he flew off the ground didn't look realistic however, when I was in high school there was a fight in the lunchroom. I'll never forget this one guy got hit with an uppercut and he literally flew backwards over the table and onto the floor. That didn't look real either.
 
You mean you never realized that Colt made custom single action revolvers that shot 222 times without have to be reloaded? :shock: Now even Uberti makes them for the movies but not to be sold to use peons. :(
Same thing with the full autos. Those magazine hold 1,111 rounds. Saves the movie armorer from stopping filming to reload for the next scene. :wink:
Paul B.
 
All make believe and trying to tell a story. I recall a war movie where a frogman is trying to cut through a torpedo net, naturally he drops the cutting tool when he is jostled. How much effort would it take to improvise a lanyard ? When I carried a Boy Scout and then a Swiss Army knife I kept it on a lanyard attached to my belt. Never lost it.
 
Remember the old westerns/war movies where the guy getting shot throws both arms in the air, turns a couple circles then falls down? Hollyweird has never shown realism.
 
Richard Widmark carrying a Nock Volley Gun in "The Alamo" (1960). And I'm looking for one of those left handed M1893 Mausers the Spanish Troops carried in "Rough Riders".
 
gramps said:
I don't know, some of the police empty their guns in real life, on bad guys with no effective hits. To much "suppressive fire" IMO.
gramps
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That was the reason the NRA was formed initially. The Civil War soldiers shot a lot and hit little. Then we have the bullets that, 'sparkle' when they hit anything.
 
Fox Mike said:
gramps said:
I don't know, some of the police empty their guns in real life, on bad guys with no effective hits. To much "suppressive fire" IMO.
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That was the reason the NRA was formed initially. The Civil War soldiers shot a lot and hit little. Then we have the bullets that, 'sparkle' when they hit anything.
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Yeah, I've been looking for those sparkle bullets but can't seem to find any.
 
I've seen sparking bullets. Found an old car wreck and the engine was pretty well stripped of anything useful. We sat off about 50/60 yards and popped a free 30-06 AP into the block. They sparked. We also shot at a large rock maybe 200 yards out that had the sun behind it. Sparks there too and much brighter than when on that old wreck. Dunno if handgun rounds might do the same but rifle bullets definitely will. Left the grease and oil on that old block smoking for a while. Thought the thing might catch fire with all the grease and crud all over it. That why sometimes during fire season the Forest Service bans shooting. Not a spark from a hit but the sparks from a .50 caliber muzzle loader started a grass fire. Me and three buddies almost didn't get it out. If there's been a wind we'd have been up a polluted puddle without any means of propulsion. Shoot a muzzle loader at night and watch the sparks fly.
Paul B.
 
Last year we were shooting the BMG 50 tracer out of a rifle at a 400 yard target - berm was at 600 yards and had a large rock in it just under the sand. One round found that rock, after which it abruptly turned 90* in a lazy tumbling loop and landed in a grass belt about 40 yards out and started a small fire. Almost had to call out the neighbors.

One thing about disarming someone with a handgun - you can easily break his trigger finger and that's normally a big plus.
 
Always loved the old Superman serials where he stuck his chest out as the villain emptied his revolver on it and then ducked when the bad guy threw the empty gun at him.
 
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