Global Warmup

[FastEd]

The average high for July in Riverside, OH is 85*. We once clocked 103*.

Today, at noon, its 65*. Its cold and raining. I dislike hot Summers as much as anybody but this is really getting weird.

 

[LGC42]

Here in central Washington we've had 10 straight days of temps over 100, the high was 108.

 

[farley]

Here in NW Missouri it's 64 degrees and raining. It's been raining almost every day since May 1. Can't get it to shut off.

 

[stevemb]

I'm still wearing shorts, I don't care what Bob says ! Ok, yeah, goofy July weather. Here to be 70's today and next. It is "normal" for temps to climb, then storm/rain, then drop, and climb again this time of year here.

 

[stevemb]

Hey Ed, which river are you on the side of ? The Grand River is my backyard, literally, here in Ashtabula county.

 

[JPGLSG]

It's so bad here in GA we aren't even having any weather !!!!!

 

[FastEd]

Hey Ed, which river are you on the side of ? The Grand River is my backyard, literally, here in Ashtabula county.

We got a couple of rivers, The Great Miami and the Mad River. Both full to the brim.
One good thing, though, the new corn is really good.

 

[Jimbo357mag]

Extreme weather is happening everywhere. Despite massive attempts to deny that global warming has anything to do with it, it really should be obvious to everyone. Something like a small change in the jet stream over the US can have a tremendous effect on the weather. :(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_weather

 

[mohavesam]

Extreme weather is happening everywhere. Despite massive attempts to deny that global warming has anything to do with it, it really should be obvious to everyone. Something like a small change in the jet stream over the US can have a tremendous effect on the weather. :(

+1. And it is 100% natural.

"Extreme weather" has occurred since the dawn of time. My BIL is/was a global meteorologist on a carrier, and I have a PhD colleague at NOAA in Boulder. These guys have the tools & records to provide tactical hemispherical weather solutions in three minutes or less. Both will tell you weather patterns are ever-changing and have been ever since weather has been recorded. Both will tell you there is nothing happening today (worldwide) that hasn't cycled every few years for eons.

Alarmists and the advent of 24-hr "news" reporting are the only things "new", and weather is still not caused by mankind. Cow flatulence or aliens are not changing weather either, for those leaning that way.

Weather is as weather does.

 

[Salmoneye]

Extreme weather is happening everywhere. Despite massive attempts to deny that global warming has anything to do with it, it really should be obvious to everyone. Something like a small change in the jet stream over the US can have a tremendous effect on the weather. :(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_weather

You do realize weather has 'changed' since long before Man hit this rock, right?

You may want to look up the word 'hubris'...

 

[GunnyGene]

Extreme weather is happening everywhere. Despite massive attempts to deny that global warming has anything to do with it, it really should be obvious to everyone. Something like a small change in the jet stream over the US can have a tremendous effect on the weather. :(

+1. And it is 100% natural.

"Extreme weather" has occurred since the dawn of time. My BIL is/was a global meteorologist on a carrier, and I have a PhD colleague at NOAA in Boulder. These guys have the tools & records to provide tactical hemispherical weather solutions in three minutes or less. Both will tell you weather patterns are ever-changing and have been ever since weather has been recorded. Both will tell you there is nothing happening today (worldwide) that hasn't cycled every few years for eons.

Alarmists and the advent of 24-hr "news" reporting are the only things "new", and weather is still not caused by mankind. Cow flatulence or aliens are not changing weather either, for those leaning that way.

Weather is as weather does.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.

H. L. Mencken

 

[wolfsong]

Extreme weather is happening everywhere. Despite massive attempts to deny that global warming has anything to do with it, it really should be obvious to everyone. Something like a small change in the jet stream over the US can have a tremendous effect on the weather. :(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_weather

EGO, please refer to Rule #3 ie no dead horse beating.

 

[Cholo]

Jimbo, right on que, and so predictable...

 

[blume357]

It's not about the temp in July or even 2015... it is about the average temperature over 100 years..... our planet doesn't run on the same time scale that humans do. Things warm up... the big debate is whether we are adding to this.... there was a time on this planet when the Northern part of the U.S. had 2 miles of Ice over it.... that was a little on the cold side.... then there was another time when the beach was just below Columbia S.C.... figure out how much of the polar ice has to melt to bring the sea level up that far? These are natural cycles that will occur again.... the good news is we won't really have to worry about it... but future generations.... thousands of years away might... if we (humans) are still around. Now this is all just my opinion... but I do know one fact....
it is hot here in S.C.

 

[Jimbo357mag]

EGO, please refer to Rule #3 ie no dead horse beating.

If people are going to talk about Global Warming, I am going to add my 2 cents. That is not beating a dead horse ...and I always try and add something interesting. btw ...calling me EGO (enemy of gun owners) is a personal insult and should stop. :(

The way extreme weather works is this. If there are more weather 'events' that fall into the extreme 10% of weather for a certain region then you can say there are more extreme weather events in that region. More extreme weather events have been happening almost everywhere. A simple explanation is that more energy is being put into the system because of global warming. Draw your own conclusions. 8)

 

[Bull Barrel]

If there is warming-and the stats show otherwise-prove it was caused by Man.

 

[Bucks Owin]

Jimbo, right on que, and so predictable...

Yep, one thing we can always depend on is the DEP/obunghole "global warming crisis" spew from the resident koolaid swilling ENEMY OF GUN OWNERS!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[wolfsong]

EGO, please refer to Rule #3 ie no dead horse beating.

If people are going to talk about Global Warming, I am going to add my 2 cents. That is not beating a dead horse ...and I always try and add something interesting. btw ...calling me EGO (enemy of gun owners) is a personal insult and should stop. :(

The way extreme weather works is this. If there are more weather 'events' that fall into the extreme 10% of weather for a certain region then you can say there are more extreme weather events in that region. More extreme weather events have been happening almost everywhere. A simple explanation is that more energy is being put into the system because of global warming. Draw your own conclusions. 8)

Brilliant, EGO. To put your model in plain terms, if you put in more than 10% of bigger marbles in the usual bag of small marbles, you can say there are more big marbles in the bag. Proving what?

Brilliant.

 

[stevemb]

There is no such thing as "normal" weather. You can average all readings and try to play that game, but it doesn't work.

 

[GunnyGene]

There is no such thing as "normal" weather. You can average all readings and try to play that game, but it doesn't work.

To put it another way regarding "averages": Stick your head in a hot oven, and your feet in a bucket of ice, and then claim that: "on average, I'm pretty comfortable." :wink:

 

[Jimbo357mag]

There is no such thing as "normal" weather. You can average all readings and try to play that game, but it doesn't work.

Seriously? The weather guy or girl does it every day. The high/low temps, average and record for that day are given. Normal rainfall for the month is given on almost every weather report. If you think about it every part of the weather is broken down into numerical representations and those numbers can be averaged any number of ways. If it wasn't for numerical averages we wouldn't know if the weather was particularly hot or cold, windy, or not. :D

 

[Bucks Owin]

If it wasn't for numerical averages we wouldn't know if the weather was particularly hot or cold, windy, or not. :D

Stick you head out the door! :shock:

Oh wait...your's is stuck elsewhere.. :roll:

 

[Kevin]

Wow. I didn't know y'all were so close minded. So mankind has no made any negative effects on this planet. The oceans aren't polluted, the smog in LA is my imagination ? The inversion over Boise in the winter is all natural? Climate change comes from God? You negative non belivers...

We just watched the movie the Lorax. Not sure if you are familiar with this plot. Mankind cut down the last tree and environmental havoc ensues. The "town" becomes over commercialized and man-made everything with plastic etc. AND BAD AIR. Huh. Dr. Seuss might have been smarter than some of the ignorant back woods negative thinkers here.

Goodbye. Don't bother replying. I won't be around to read it.

 

[wolfsong]

Well, gee, we hardly knew ya.

 

[Bull Barrel]

That's called a drive by. Can't back up his argument so does the old hit and run.

 

[Salmoneye]

There is no such thing as "normal" weather. You can average all readings and try to play that game, but it doesn't work.

Seriously? The weather guy or girl does it every day. The high/low temps, average and record for that day are given. Normal rainfall for the month is given on almost every weather report.

Oh for the love of...

According to NOAA, those 'averages' are only for the last 30 years...This is on the recommendation of 'The World Meteorological Organization'...

Please just stop...

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/normals/usnormals.html

http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_normals/normals_documentation_e.html

 

[Jimbo357mag]

Oh for the love of...

According to NOAA, those 'averages' are only for the last 30 years...This is on the recommendation of 'The World Meteorological Organization'...

Please just stop...

We have a most excellent average of temperatures for 30 years. This is your reason for no man made global warming? Are you saying that because our records are not as accurate from before 30 years ago that we don't know the reason for temperature increases today? Seriously? I can remember more than 30 years ago myself in South Florida. It used to freeze several days every winter and the Robins would come down here, guess what, - No More Freeze, no more Robins in South Florida. In almost every part of the country there are signs of constant and irreversible global warming and there is more extreme weather. The deniers should give it a rest especially when they act like science is ridiculous. There really is nothing on your side except opinion and foolish emotion.

 

[Jimbo357mag]

We have at least three mods posting in this thread and they see nothing wrong with this? Sad. I bet if I were to say something like that to one of them I would be gone. :(
btw, When people ask me questions in a thread I try to answer them. That is what starts a lot of this back and forth with personal comments. :(

Yep, one thing we can always depend on is the DEP/obunghole "global warming crisis" spew from the resident koolaid swilling ENEMY OF GUN OWNERS!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:

Stick you head out the door! :shock:

Oh wait...your's is stuck elsewhere.. :roll:

 

[Pierow]

That's called a drive by. Can't back up his argument so does the old hit and run.

If we are all being honest no one on this forum can back up their argument empirically. Not even close. This is all armchair as the scientists who are studying this cannot say for sure one way or the other. I refuse to discuss global warming with anyone. Same as politics and religion. I'd rather take a square kick in the hoo haas than do so:)

It is possible however to have healthy discourse on these subjects regardless of opinion but rarely are there folks who can do that. I do like to breeze through these threads however more so for the social dynamic taking place.

Pierow

 

[mohavesam]

Agree. Seems our mods have a hard time recognizing "personal attacks and insults", or just choose which rules to ignore these days.
The content of discussion suffers because of this.

To pierow's comment - I choose to listen to the US Navy meteorologists, who in my committees at least, all seem to poo-poo the idea that any global weather is caused by man.