Getting Trolled on my First Post

[44Alaskan]

On my first post in this fourum I talk about clearly seeing a bear and waisting my time with binoculars when I had a scope on my rifle, the bear got away. I was well within range to take the bear.
Some Trolls on this forum are twisting my statements around quite viscously. Here is the post.
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=262065
Instead of taking the bait and getting into a back and forth I thought I would educate the forum on what an Internet Troll is.

Troll
In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

 

[NikA]

I have to think this is a prime example of trolling. Especially since the original posts were edited.

Complaining about how others treat you in the anonymous space that is the internet is pretty pointless. If you want to please everyone and can't deal with criticism, find another hobby.

 

[hittman]

I see some disagreement with you on the bear thread but no trolling.

Are you registered here under two different User Names?

 

[GunnyGene]

Seems that 44alaskan has a bit of a thin skin. :roll:

 

[huntsman22]

Vagisil. hint........

 

[coach]

I went back and read the link and I didn’t see any trolling, just discussion and opinion. I agree that pointing a gun at everything you want to observe in the woods isn’t the best idea.

 

[gasbag]

Idiots are everywhere on the internet.
Experts are everywhere on the internet.
As an example, I have an I.Q. of 36 but I am a brain surgeon,
rocket scientist and knowledgeable on every firearm ever made.
Plus the fact that I am cute.
I view the internet as an entertainment source. It fills the time. I am retired.
The moment I start taking anything I see on it seriously, please have me committed.

 

[SR1911SHOOTER]

On my first post in this fourum I talk about clearly seeing a bear and waisting my time with binoculars when I had a scope on my rifle, the bear got away. I was well within range to take the bear.
Some Trolls on this forum are twisting my statements around quite viscously. Here is the post.
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=262065
Instead of taking the bait and getting into a back and forth I thought I would educate the forum on what an Internet Troll is.

Troll
In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

44 Alaskan,
I am surprised that you got "trolled" on here!
You are entitled to hunt the way you want to. How long ago was this?
Blackie

 

[gramps]

I see no viciousness. We all agree to disagree on a frequent basis. Welcome to the forum.
gramps

 

[Bear Paw Jack]

I read the post, didn't see any trolling just some questioning of your judgment using a scope to look at people. Might consider a hunter safety class.

 

[wolfsong]

If someone chooses to use a rifle scope to glass game, I have no problem with that, with ONE simple caveat: kindly remove the scope from said rifle before doing so.

I, too, see no trolling in the posts following the OP.

 

[44Alaskan]

I read the post, didn't see any trolling just some questioning of your judgment using a scope to look at people. Might consider a hunter safety class.

The discussion was looking at a bear through a rifle scope during bear season. Now it has been flipped to looking at people through a rifle scope. This is a prime example of Trolling which is the post topic.

 

[Mike J]

44 Alaskan - I read the linked thread & I don't believe you were trolled. Some people disagreed with you & pointed out some things. I don't know what your motive is for coming to the forum. I browse here daily now because I like the people. However I first came to this forum seeking information. I have learned a lot here about firearms, thought processes, life etc. If no one ever disagreed with me or offered a dissenting opinion I would not learn anything other than possibly some technical information about firearms. I would rather be challenged.

Added since reading your most recent post: Yes you did mention looking at a bear through a scope. You also questioned why you were carrying binoculars when you had a fine optic on your rifle. If something someone says does not apply to me there is no reason for me to be insulted & take it personally. Internet firearms forums are not really for the thin skinned. Sometimes people disagree. Sometimes people nit pick. Sometimes one has to be like old mother duck & not give a quack.

 

[wolfsong]

I read the post, didn't see any trolling just some questioning of your judgment using a scope to look at people. Might consider a hunter safety class.

The discussion was looking at a bear through a rifle scope during bear season. Now it has been flipped to looking at people through a rifle scope. This is a prime example of Trolling which is the post topic.

Nice way to cherry pick and condense the original post. However, the post was very detailed using your own words. One of those details was having binos available and not using them to determine the species, instead you used your scope which was attached to a high powered and, I presume, fully loaded firearm. Call me a troll if you like, but if you can't see the folly and danger in such hunting and firearm handling behavior that's on you. Such behavior in our hunting group would be grounds to not being invited back. It is basic firearm/hunting safety. Nothing more.

 

[SR1911SHOOTER]

I read the post, didn't see any trolling just some questioning of your judgment using a scope to look at people. Might consider a hunter safety class.

The discussion was looking at a bear through a rifle scope during bear season. Now it has been flipped to looking at people through a rifle scope. This is a prime example of Trolling which is the post topic.

Nice way to cherry pick and condense the original post. However, the post was very detailed using your own words. One of those details was having binos available and not using them to determine the species, instead you used your scope which was attached to a high powered and, I presume, fully loaded firearm. Call me a troll if you like, but if you can't see the folly and danger in such hunting and firearm handling behavior that's on you. Such behavior in our hunting group would be grounds to not being invited back. It is basic firearm/hunting safety. Nothing more.

Wolfsong.
Come on Wolf, glassing a bear through a scope? Why is that dangerous? I have glassed many a buck
and Doe, through a scope and never killed anybody. Many of us cannot afford a set of binos, and have to
make do with a Bushnell or Tasco scope. I routinely glass any buck I see to determine the
legality of said buck. i also did not see any comments about looking at people through a rifle scope.
Blackie

BTW I did not see anything in wolfsong's post about looking at people.
Show me!

 

[WAYNO]

Come on. The OP did say what he did with binoculars he could do with a scope. Got my attention too, but I did not respond, knowing others would.

His words...before he erased them...

"Why was I lugging around 2 pound binoculars on my chest when I had a 3x9 scope on on my rifle? My rifle scope can scout areas ..."

I also use my scope to look at the animals I'm hunting, but I do not use a scope to scout an area.

 

[WIL TERRY]

I see NO-NADA-ZILCH trolling here at all in the answers to your posting. NONE !!!
I do see your attempt to make what seems to be a WHOLE lot of trouble out of NOTHING.
IF it seems to you there is troling here go take a long look at the felloow in the mirror and see if he looks like a familier troller to you. WE HERE have no clue about you, only what your claiming.
There is a monumental amount of information on this Ruger forum and the members well know-balogna when they see your trying to pull a troll-whiner job; it will NOT work.
NOW...quit it, get your act together, and you can have a lot of fun and gun-lore to entertain you to a farethewell !!
And so it goes...

 

[44Alaskan]

Thread Hijacking,
So the post was about the Ruger Super Redhawk in 10mm with how I came to the conclusion of needing a backup gun while hunting. Right out of the gate the subject was changed by one member with quick follow up shots by several others. One form of internet Trolling is called Thread Hijacking.

Thread Hijacking
When a person starts a posting on a message board, or forum, or Facebook, that others are able to comment on, that original posting and the comments on it are called a thread. A thread hijacking occurs when one or more individuals commenting on the original posting, go off topic, creating a separate conversation. This is rude, and bad internet etiquette. If people want to discuss a different topic, they should start their own thread.

 

[44Alaskan]

This is just a topic in the lounge, No trouble brewing, or off topic discussions on the gun pages. There are some very wise gunsmiths on this forum and I like reading their posts, why I joined.

 

[contender]

First off,,, "Welcome to the Forum!

Now,, I too do not feel the other thread is an example of trolling. You chose to use that description. And, as noted above,, by 2 moderators,,, do not see it as trolling.

But,, if you read my brief bio below, you will see I am a Hunter Safety Instructor. So,,,, I see this;

"The discussion was looking at a bear through a rifle scope during bear season. Now it has been flipped to looking at people through a rifle scope. This is a prime example of Trolling which is the post topic."

And I had to POLITELY respond. People are killed every year by hunters,,, who fail to properly identify the game animal. A pair of binoculars is the SAFE way to observe anything in the woods,,, prior to deciding to shoot at it. While we like to think we are the only human around,,, we do not always know who else may be nearby.
Just today,,, I heard a story about a deer hunter that was in a remote, deep ravine area,, hard to access. He heard a deer coming,,, and about the time he saw it,,, he heard a shot. His words were; "It scared me out of my boots!" He had NO clue the other hunter was nearby.

I teach safety. I would hope you'd reconsider the use of your rifle scope, while mounted on the gun to study any game. Think like this; How would you feel if you were hunting,,, and caught a glimpse of "something" and looked through your bino's & saw another human aiming a rifle at you? You'd NOT know the other person's intentions,, and most of use here consider a pointed firearm at us a danger.

So,, some folks have expressed their concerns about your idea of just using a scope on the rifle as a method of game spotting. I have to ask; How will you explain to some kids somewhere if you think you spotted & shot a game animal that turned out to be a human? (And we won't get into the potential criminal investigation that will happen.)

Here in my local area,, 4 years ago,, a young man, out deer hunting,,, saw what he thought was a deer. Looking through his scope,,, he identified it as a deer, and shot. He killed an unarmed man,, who was wearing a brown coat,,, digging roots.

Think it still can't happen? What about the potential of a negligent discharge??? "But,, I was just spotting game & the gun just accidentally went off officer,,, honest!"

Please,,, for the safety of all of us,,, AND,,, (really think of this) the image you give to non-hunters by using a firearm mounted scope in the way you mentioned.

Personally,,, I think of my binoculars as an essential piece of equipment. If I need to save weight somewhere,,, I can find other ways.

Nope,,, not trolling,,, just trying to have a polite, educational discussion.

 

[SR1911SHOOTER]

On my first post in this fourum I talk about clearly seeing a bear and waisting my time with binoculars when I had a scope on my rifle, the bear got away. I was well within range to take the bear.
Some Trolls on this forum are twisting my statements around quite viscously. Here is the post.
http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=262065
Instead of taking the bait and getting into a back and forth I thought I would educate the forum on what an Internet Troll is.

Troll
In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

44,
I would have informed the lady (politely) that you
had the legal right to carry in the national forest, then
offered to call the game warden for her.
Upon his arrival, I would have asked him to charge
the lady with harassment.
Blackie

 

[SR1911SHOOTER]

First off,,, "Welcome to the Forum!

Now,, I too do not feel the other thread is an example of trolling. You chose to use that description. And, as noted above,, by 2 moderators,,, do not see it as trolling.

But,, if you read my brief bio below, you will see I am a Hunter Safety Instructor. So,,,, I see this;

"The discussion was looking at a bear through a rifle scope during bear season. Now it has been flipped to looking at people through a rifle scope. This is a prime example of Trolling which is the post topic."

And I had to POLITELY respond. People are killed every year by hunters,,, who fail to properly identify the game animal. A pair of binoculars is the SAFE way to observe anything in the woods,,, prior to deciding to shoot at it. While we like to think we are the only human around,,, we do not always know who else may be nearby.
Just today,,, I heard a story about a deer hunter that was in a remote, deep ravine area,, hard to access. He heard a deer coming,,, and about the time he saw it,,, he heard a shot. His words were; "It scared me out of my boots!" He had NO clue the other hunter was nearby.

I teach safety. I would hope you'd reconsider the use of your rifle scope, while mounted on the gun to study any game. Think like this; How would you feel if you were hunting,,, and caught a glimpse of "something" and looked through your bino's & saw another human aiming a rifle at you? You'd NOT know the other person's intentions,, and most of use here consider a pointed firearm at us a danger.

So,, some folks have expressed their concerns about your idea of just using a scope on the rifle as a method of game spotting. I have to ask; How will you explain to some kids somewhere if you think you spotted & shot a game animal that turned out to be a human? (And we won't get into the potential criminal investigation that will happen.)

Here in my local area,, 4 years ago,, a young man, out deer hunting,,, saw what he thought was a deer. Looking through his scope,,, he identified it as a deer, and shot. He killed an unarmed man,, who was wearing a brown coat,,, digging roots.

Think it still can't happen? What about the potential of a negligent discharge??? "But,, I was just spotting game & the gun just accidentally went off officer,,, honest!"

Please,,, for the safety of all of us,,, AND,,, (really think of this) the image you give to non-hunters by using a firearm mounted scope in the way you mentioned.

Personally,,, I think of my binoculars as an essential piece of equipment. If I need to save weight somewhere,,, I can find other ways.

Nope,,, not trolling,,, just trying to have a polite, educational discussion.

Contender,
I just read the post in question, and saw nothing about looking at people through the
scope. Hell of a way to welcome a new member to the forum.
Blackie

 

[SR1911SHOOTER]

First off,,, "Welcome to the Forum!

Now,, I too do not feel the other thread is an example of trolling. You chose to use that description. And, as noted above,, by 2 moderators,,, do not see it as trolling.

But,, if you read my brief bio below, you will see I am a Hunter Safety Instructor. So,,,, I see this;

"The discussion was looking at a bear through a rifle scope during bear season. Now it has been flipped to looking at people through a rifle scope. This is a prime example of Trolling which is the post topic."

And I had to POLITELY respond. People are killed every year by hunters,,, who fail to properly identify the game animal. A pair of binoculars is the SAFE way to observe anything in the woods,,, prior to deciding to shoot at it. While we like to think we are the only human around,,, we do not always know who else may be nearby.
Just today,,, I heard a story about a deer hunter that was in a remote, deep ravine area,, hard to access. He heard a deer coming,,, and about the time he saw it,,, he heard a shot. His words were; "It scared me out of my boots!" He had NO clue the other hunter was nearby.

I teach safety. I would hope you'd reconsider the use of your rifle scope, while mounted on the gun to study any game. Think like this; How would you feel if you were hunting,,, and caught a glimpse of "something" and looked through your bino's & saw another human aiming a rifle at you? You'd NOT know the other person's intentions,, and most of use here consider a pointed firearm at us a danger.

So,, some folks have expressed their concerns about your idea of just using a scope on the rifle as a method of game spotting. I have to ask; How will you explain to some kids somewhere if you think you spotted & shot a game animal that turned out to be a human? (And we won't get into the potential criminal investigation that will happen.)

Here in my local area,, 4 years ago,, a young man, out deer hunting,,, saw what he thought was a deer. Looking through his scope,,, he identified it as a deer, and shot. He killed an unarmed man,, who was wearing a brown coat,,, digging roots.

Think it still can't happen? What about the potential of a negligent discharge??? "But,, I was just spotting game & the gun just accidentally went off officer,,, honest!"

Please,,, for the safety of all of us,,, AND,,, (really think of this) the image you give to non-hunters by using a firearm mounted scope in the way you mentioned.

Personally,,, I think of my binoculars as an essential piece of equipment. If I need to save weight somewhere,,, I can find other ways.

Nope,,, not trolling,,, just trying to have a polite, educational discussion.

Contender,
As quoted by you!"The discussion was looking at a bear through a rifle scope during bear season. Now it has been flipped to looking at people through a rifle scope. This is a prime example of Trolling which is the post topic."
When did the post become scoping at people???
Please cite this paragraph you quoted. I am embarrassed that a new member was treated
like this.
Blackie

 

[protoolman]

I've grown up in Montana and later in life, North Dakota, South Dakota and Minnesota of probably hundreds of hunters I've encountered over the years I would say less than 10% were carrying binoculars. I know they just seem excess gear to me. And I have never glassed a human unexpectedly. I just never glass those blaze orange dots!
Welcome to the forum by the way. If you really want to get discouraged on your first week here try posting how much gun is necessary for bear, or SR 1911s are superior to Springfield Armory 1911 RO's or that American cars especially Jeeps are as good as Japanese cars. Any of those will start a war here, don't ask me how I know.

 

[Colonialgirl]

I read the post, didn't see any trolling just some questioning of your judgment using a scope to look at people. Might consider a hunter safety class.

He was LOOKING at a BEAR and so states!!

 

[Colonialgirl]

I read the post, didn't see any trolling just some questioning of your judgment using a scope to look at people. Might consider a hunter safety class.

The discussion was looking at a bear through a rifle scope during bear season. Now it has been flipped to looking at people through a rifle scope. This is a prime example of Trolling which is the post topic.

I AGREE; Some seem to need to reread your original post before falling for the trolls afterward.

 

[wolfsong]

Blackie, with sincerity and all due respect, the OP was a lengthy expose' on numerous aspects of his experience while bear hunting and the resulting realizations that he came to that adjustments were necessary for his approach. Various members responded to various points and observations that he made. That is a natural progression when posting publicly on an open forum.

One of those observations of his regarded using his scope instead of binos. Some members shared their opinions and expertise on that particular matter, just as they did regarding the 10 mm. Again, that is how discussions work. If you put it out there, expect responses. Otherwise, why post?

The subsequent lessons that followed defining trolling and thread hijacking were hardly necessary or warranted. The Lord knows we've experienced plenty of both here over the years and in this case they don't apply, in the opinion, experience and wisdom of many.

My advice, as both a member and a moderator, to 44alaskan is to post to his heart's content, keep an opened mind, wear some thick skin, consider the opinions of others, take whatever advice that others offer as he sees fit and disregard the rest. The cumulative knowledge on this forum is incalculable and immeasurable; there is much to be shared and to be learned from, if so desired.

I must say that I have never in my many years here and as a shooter experienced anyone taking offense when the topic is gun safety. Regardless, no matter how offended one might be, that is NOT an area that can be glossed over.

44alaskan, welcome to the forum. As you can see, many of us are of strong opinion on this. Don't take it personal. We are family here, and we tend to not mince words. That's because we are comfortable and tolerant of each other and our individuality, even when we disagree, which is often. Take what you want or need and leave the rest. And have a good time here. We DO welcome you into this little family with open arms, even if we are a bit curmudgeonly at times. No harm intended, I can assure you.

Peace and God bless, Wolfsong .

 

[WendyZXZ]

I read the post, didn't see any trolling just some questioning of your judgment using a scope to look at people. Might consider a hunter safety class.

He was LOOKING at a BEAR and so states!!

That part had me wondering how we went from looking at a bear with a scope to looking at a person with a scope...

Confusing to say the least.

I also agree with Wolfsong...Welcome to the forum, have fun posting and don't take things too personally. He is correct, we often do disagree and not mince words at times, but that can be a part of the fun also!

 

[wolfsong]

Wendy, I think these two lines helped spark certain responses: "Being a novice" and "Why was I lugging around 2 pound binoculars on my chest when I had a 3x9 scope on on my rifle? My rifle scope can scout areas".

44Alaskan seems like a pretty savvy guy who wants to learn and does his homework. Some of us saw an opportunity to further his education concerning hunter safety and hunter etiquette. That's it, that's all.

 

[cas6969]

Hmmm... puzzled by the purpose of this thread. Nothing in this one that couldn't be in the first one.

Threads about other threads, never good.