Duplicate Old Model .357's

[Ale-8(1)]

This was in another thread. I thought I'd give it a home of its own in case more collector-types would be interested.

FWIW, the following "duplicate" OM .357 Blackhawks have been reported to Bob's List . . .

I have also included those "non-D" guns that fall "within the range", except those between D30-38756 and D30-97433, and D30-98861, D30-98906, and D31-00036, as the two extreme guns are sorta "out of the loop".

D30-38756 34X
D30-97433 36
D30-97453 36X
30-97475 34X
D30-97494 34X
D30-97496 34X
D30-97506 34
D30-97511 36X
D30-97527 36X
D30-97559 36
D30-97623 36
D30-97640 36X
D30-97675 36
D30-97682 36X
D30-97701 34X
D30-97708 36X RENE shows 34
D30-97732 36 RENE shows 36X
D30-97735 36X
D30-97761 36X
D30-97762 36
D30-97875 36X
D30-97886 36X
D30-97906 36X
30-97929 36
D30-97938 36X
D30-97950 34X
D30-97963 36X RENE shows 34
D30-97978 34X
D30-98024 36 converted
D30-98085 36
D30-98090 34X
D30-98099 36
D30-98173 36 updated per member info
30-98226 36
D30-98270 36X
D30-98287 34X
D30-98289 36X shipped 8/71
D30-98318 36X
D30-98327 36X
D30-98391 36X
D30-98394 36X
D30-98396 36X
30-98404 34 lettered as shipped 6/71
D30-98404 34 lettered as shipped 3/72 as a duplicate. See commentary on page 2.
D30-98432 36X
D30-98489 36
D30-98490 36
D30-98494 36
D30-98517 34
D30-98529 36X
30-98540 34
D30-98567 36 BOX ONLY . . . interesting, eh?
D30-98590 36X
D30-98597 36X updated per member info
D30-98618 36X
D30-98661 36X
D30-98674 36X Updated per member info
D30-98749 36X
D30-98832 36X
D30-98861 36X
D30-98906 36X
D31-00036 34X

Note that nearly all of them are 6-1/2" .357/9mm convertibles.

I have deleted the "BKH" in the model numbers:
34=4-1/2"
34X=4-1/2" convertible
36=6-1/2"
36X=6-1/2" convertible

I have no idea who has these. Anyone hoping to match a gun to one of these will just have to post here and hope the current owner responds.

Good luck.

:mrgreen:

 

[flatgate]

I do NOT recall ever seeing a "D" marked OM .357 in that s/n range. However, I'm in Wyoming where it's COLT and WINCHESTER country.....

flatagte

 

[Ale-8(1)]

Well, I've only seen a couple of "D" guns, and they live in Ohio.

As it happens, these number ranges agree with the listings in the RENE reference. There is the occasional disagreement on a particular gun.

:)

 

[bigbore45colt]

Two of those listed above are mine. I can vouch for their existence :P
BB45C

 

[Ale-8(1)]

Flatgate's post brings up a good point.

Anyone have any other "D" OM .357's they'd like to post in this thread?

If you have some you'd like to see posted but want to remain anonymous, PM them to me and I'll edit them into the list above.

Chet15, are you watching?

:)

 

[RPM Enterprises]

Would be interesting to know what ones are BKH-34 and what ones are BKH-36. And then see what guns were shipped as convertibles. I know serial number D30-98490 was shipped as a BKH-36 and in Chads notes serial number D30-38756 was shipped as a BKH-34X. D30-98270
and D30-98318 shipped as BKH-36X. D30-97708 shipped as BKH-34. D30-97559, D30-97623, D30-97682 and D30-98173 shipped as BKH-36.

 

[Ale-8(1)]

OK, I have added the model number info. Note that this is the way the guns were reported to TheList. I do not have "letters" on any of them, nor does Bob.

Can you spot the first discrepancy?

;)

 

[RPM Enterprises]

I see a few of them. Some listed as non convertibles in RENE are converts on your list. Looks like you will need letters on them to verifi :shock:

 

[Ale-8(1)]

Or Chet15 can produce letters proving that they are not convertibles, which I will gladly accept. FWIW, I see three discrepancies. I'll not attempt to "call in" all the guns for documentation because I don't want to wear out my welcome with the ladies in the records department, or abuse the privilege of obtaining free info.

We have never claimed that TheList is 100% accurate on any given gun. It represents what has been reported to us, or that we have seen at shows or on various internet sites.

It's a matter of "what are they right now?" Without "letters" they are just whatever they appear. Convertible cylinders can be lost or "added". Barrel lengths can have been changed. Grips and ejector rod housings are "screwdriver variations".

The value of Bob's List is the overall picture it gives of what was being shipped at any given time. When I agreed to be the "clerk" for this project, I accepted the premise that I have to "ride it like I found it". I have no problem with that.

I also browse the gun sales sites for .357 Old Models, and gather them in based on what I can see there. It's all good, as long as no one assumes it's the final word.

:)

 

[rugerguy]

wow, you 'Blackhawk' collectors better 'pay attentiomn, all of them I sold over the years and NEVER bothered to "look/see" if they are a 'match'.......dooh
interesting, thanks for sharing, and GOOD job guys... :wink:

 

[bigbore45colt]

98173 is not a convertible.
98597 is a convertible

BB45C

 

[Ale-8(1)]

BB45C, can you give us further information?

PM sent.

:)

Edited to add: Thanks for the info . . . list updated.

:)

 

[radicalrod]

ADD D30-98618 36X........RR

 

[2Barnes38-40]

I have BKH36 D30-98489 in box unfired bought it new

 

[Ale-8(1)]

Entered.

Note that D30-98490 is also on TheList.

With D30-97761 and D30-97762 that makes the second set of consecutives on TheList.

:)

 

[gregs45auto]

I have a D sn 41 mag nm blackhawk NIB tucked in the safe. I would have to dig to find out the sn. best, greg

 

[deerman3]

I have 3
D30-9750 BKH34
D30-97640 (on the list)
D30-98674 BKH36

 

[Ale-8(1)]

Thanks, deerman3.

:)

Confirmed D30-97506 BKH34
Confirmed D30-97640 BKH36X
Confirmed D30-98674 BKH36X

;)

 

[41 nut]

BKH 34X SN: D30-38756 and BKH 36X SN: D30 - 98394 are both convetables with letters.

 

[Jon R]

BKH 36X D30-98832 convertible with letter

 

[Ale-8(1)]

And another.

Thanks, Jon.

PM sent

:)

 

[chet15]

Here's what I found different in my list:

D30-97675 -36
D30-97708 I have this noted as a -34 shp 8/71
D30-97732 I have this noted as a -36X
D30-97886 -36X
D30-97963 I have noted as a -34
D30-98090 -34X
D30-98287 -36X
D30-98529 -36X

I also have non "D" guns noted as 30-97929 (-36), 30-98404 (-34) and 30-98540 (-34).

chet15

 

[Ale-8(1)]

Thanks, Chad.

Added the new ones, here and on Bob's List.

Noted our discrepancies.

Added 97929 to Bob's List.

98404 and 98540 were already on Bob's List, however Bob has D30-98404 (BKH34) in his posession and a letter stating it was shipped as a duplicate. What we may have here is a "matching up" of a "D" gun with its "non-D" doppleganger.

PM sent.

:)

 

[chet15]

What we may have here is a "matching up" of a "D" gun with its "non-D" doppleganger.

Yes..is true. I don't know of the prior owner received two different letters from the RCA or if he requested a letter on each to see how they'd come out, but I doubt very seriously if he ever owned the non "D" gun.
30-98404 was shipped 6/71 and D30-98404 was shipped 3/72
Chet15

 

[Ale-8(1)]

Looks good to me.

So noted in list on Page 1.

Both guns are now entered on Bob's List.

A MATCH!!

:)

 

[JohnW]

30-98540 lives here in Missouri, and I have verbal confirmation (though I did not obtain an actual letter) from the nice lady in Records that it shipped as a BKH34, not as a convertible.

 

[chet15]

30-98540 lives here in Missouri, and I have verbal confirmation (though I did not obtain an actual letter) from the nice lady in Records that it shipped as a BKH34, not as a convertible.

That one is with a "D" or without??
Chet15

 

[JohnW]

Ale-8(1), I do not recall the ship date. Probably should have asked for the letter. :oops:

Chet, it is without the "D", as seen here...

 

[Ale-8(1)]

Not a problem, John.

Great picture. Looks like you got a real nice one.

Thanks for sharing.

:)

 

[Ale-8(1)]

Chet15, he of Red Eagle News Exchange fame, offered up the following comment in another thread. It's this kind of information that makes Ruger collecting so interesting . . . and also makes his data base so valuable. I offer my profound thanks for this contribution.

"There were no "D" marked flattops."

"Ruger did make 9 "A" prefixed 10" .357's which are essentially duplicate guns, but was so early in the game for Ruger on the "duplicating" dilemma that they hadn't thought of marking them with a "D"....marked them with an "A" instead."

"Two "A" prefixed 10" guns have been reported through the years, but the current whearabouts of each is unknown today. The matching numbers to the "A" guns are also 10" .357's, but of those none have been reported matching the two "A" guns that were reported long ago."

"Chet15"

For those interested, he lists the "A" guns as A31571 thru A31579 in the RENE Reference.

Bob's List has record of A31574, as well as 31579 and A31579.

:) :) :)