jules
Single-Sixer
I'm sure ya'll have seen these in the past but I would like to post a few pics of mine. I spend time at Bayside Custom Gunworks whenever I can so I can tell you the work is 1st class.
Custom GP 100
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I like those FrankenRugers. And they apparently are extremely accurate.
bcgunworks
Single-Sixer
It's nothing like shooting any other handgun
Closer to a specialty pistol
I have taken non handgun shooters to the range and had them hitting 5" and 8" plates at 100 yds with it from a rest pretty quick.
They make a lot of rifles look bad
Closer to a specialty pistol
I have taken non handgun shooters to the range and had them hitting 5" and 8" plates at 100 yds with it from a rest pretty quick.
They make a lot of rifles look bad
CraigC
Hawkeye
What's the purpose of the big aluminum shroud and how is it attached?
From what I have read its a rest that keeps pressure off the barrel when resting it. Chris, from BC Gunworks, who built it, will probably chip in.
DA_TriggR4Ruger
Hunter
Is that like a free float rail around an AR15 barrel or is it a solid lug around the barrel? Speaking of the block of course.
bcgunworks
Single-Sixer
It's a free float shroud. The bottom of the shroud is a 3/4" radius and smooth so it will track well on your shooting sticks...off your pack....shooting rail or whatever you use in the field
Point of impact shifts when using sticks or support with a traditional wheel gun while resting the barrel. Resting the front of the frame changes grip pressure. The FR eliminates all these issues and also gains more in accuracy with the barrel set up.
By having the barrel round without anything protruding off of it the harmonics are more sound.
The barrel is free floated all the way back to the frame.
These guns can be built in the gp100. Sp101. Or redhawk. Not the super redhawk
Working on a shop display for the redhawk now.
Point of impact shifts when using sticks or support with a traditional wheel gun while resting the barrel. Resting the front of the frame changes grip pressure. The FR eliminates all these issues and also gains more in accuracy with the barrel set up.
By having the barrel round without anything protruding off of it the harmonics are more sound.
The barrel is free floated all the way back to the frame.
These guns can be built in the gp100. Sp101. Or redhawk. Not the super redhawk
Working on a shop display for the redhawk now.
22/45 Fan
Hunter
I can understand a muzzle brake/porting on a .44 Mag or above but is there any need for it on a .357 that is that heavy? To me all it will do is make the gun louder and more annoying to those next to you without any clear benefit.
bcgunworks
Single-Sixer
As we all should know follow thru is very important in handgun shooting.
Removing recoil helps this
The muzzle brake cuts the recoil and gun movement to a minimum. This gun is designed for top level accuracy under field shooting conditions.
I can watch my bullets impact thru the scope.
These guns only weigh a couple ounces more than a factory 6" gun
You and your friends in the field would be foolish if their not wearing hearing protection anyways.
Muzzle brakes are a device that truly improves the shoot ability of firearms.
Removing recoil helps this
The muzzle brake cuts the recoil and gun movement to a minimum. This gun is designed for top level accuracy under field shooting conditions.
I can watch my bullets impact thru the scope.
These guns only weigh a couple ounces more than a factory 6" gun
You and your friends in the field would be foolish if their not wearing hearing protection anyways.
Muzzle brakes are a device that truly improves the shoot ability of firearms.
bcgunworks
Single-Sixer
Remember that shroud is aluminum
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jules
Single-Sixer
I couldn't have said it any better 
To me nothing I have ever shot needed a brake. That being said I would not want this one any other way. It really does help.
To me nothing I have ever shot needed a brake. That being said I would not want this one any other way. It really does help.
CraigC
Hawkeye
Is this something proven through testing or is it theory???bcgunworks said:
I don't see how resting on the front of the frame would change grip pressure. Nor have I ever experienced POI shift.
Are harmonics really an issue on a short revolver barrel???
I also agree that a muzzle brake on a long barreled .357 seems like a waste.
And yet they still use the factory cylinder? Do you rework the gun to eliminate endshake and rotational slack? How can you ensure perfect chamber/bore alignment without a new, linebored cylinder?bcgunworks said:
bcgunworks
Single-Sixer
Yes the entire gun has been reworked AS NEEDED.
When you rest the frame of the revolver down on sticks or whatever in the field to gain good contact with te sticks you will push down ever so slightly. This will change grip pressure.
The point of impact changes can be proven. And have been.
If you don't understand a brake and what the point is then you need to come shoot the gun with and without one. For accuracy. It sells itself.
We are not talking about hitting pie plates or good enough groups.
This gun will shoot MOA. You can not compair the setup at all to your regular wheelguns.
The group bellow was shot of bog gear which is a field rest. Videos can be foud on my website. 350 yds. First 3 within 1.128". All five were 3.9. That's slightly over Moa off a field rest. And this is repeatable.
I doubt you will find another shooting system that can do this.
When you rest the frame of the revolver down on sticks or whatever in the field to gain good contact with te sticks you will push down ever so slightly. This will change grip pressure.
The point of impact changes can be proven. And have been.
If you don't understand a brake and what the point is then you need to come shoot the gun with and without one. For accuracy. It sells itself.
We are not talking about hitting pie plates or good enough groups.
This gun will shoot MOA. You can not compair the setup at all to your regular wheelguns.
The group bellow was shot of bog gear which is a field rest. Videos can be foud on my website. 350 yds. First 3 within 1.128". All five were 3.9. That's slightly over Moa off a field rest. And this is repeatable.
I doubt you will find another shooting system that can do this.
bcgunworks
Single-Sixer
This is not a gun for a traditionalist. And I never intended it to be.
I wanted the maximum acuracy possible from a wheel gun and we have found it.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
In June I will be at WYSHOT in gillette wy shooting a similar rig against xp100 and contenders on steel to 500 yds on day one. And I am quite sure I will do well as long as the wind doesn't beat me to death.
I'll also be trying for a 1/4 mile pdog.
In have already taken vermin at 325 yds.
If you want to see it for yourself that event can take spectators. The shooting line is full.
I will not continue to re hash the old arguments. If you don't like it that's fine. If you do great.
If you think I am lying come on out to gillette wy next month and pull up a chair.
I wanted the maximum acuracy possible from a wheel gun and we have found it.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
In June I will be at WYSHOT in gillette wy shooting a similar rig against xp100 and contenders on steel to 500 yds on day one. And I am quite sure I will do well as long as the wind doesn't beat me to death.
I'll also be trying for a 1/4 mile pdog.
In have already taken vermin at 325 yds.
If you want to see it for yourself that event can take spectators. The shooting line is full.
I will not continue to re hash the old arguments. If you don't like it that's fine. If you do great.
If you think I am lying come on out to gillette wy next month and pull up a chair.
CraigC
Hawkeye
Calm down dude, don't get so defensive. I didn't, call you a liar, spit on your dog or talk about your momma. I'm politely asking you legitimate questions.
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jules
Single-Sixer
Maybe I should just delete this topic. Though I'm not sure why I should. All I did was post a few pictures of some very tasteful and accurate gunsmithing. :roll:
Jules, what will you put on yours for optics?
Looking forward to seeing results with the Redhawk conversion.
Looking forward to seeing results with the Redhawk conversion.
bcgunworks
Single-Sixer
Jules,
the last two posts I made sum up the questions. The last post on the previous page shows the accuracy.
There will always be ones that dont like different things or ones who fail to accept new ideas and thats fine.
Here is another video that shows the first time I shot the Second prototype Franken Ruger off Bog Gear. First time going to 300 yards. There are misses and it was a self done video I miss called one of the hits in the video but none the less it starts to show what the system can do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFs2TkIkTeE
the last two posts I made sum up the questions. The last post on the previous page shows the accuracy.
There will always be ones that dont like different things or ones who fail to accept new ideas and thats fine.
Here is another video that shows the first time I shot the Second prototype Franken Ruger off Bog Gear. First time going to 300 yards. There are misses and it was a self done video I miss called one of the hits in the video but none the less it starts to show what the system can do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFs2TkIkTeE
CraigC
Hawkeye
Sorry sir but my comments and skepticism won't be dismissed as just rhetoric from an old stick in the mud. You don't have the reputation, following or credibility of Hamilton Bowen, Jack Huntington, Jim Stroh, Alan Harton, John Linebaugh, Dick Casull, David Clements or myriad others so pardon me if I ask you to explain how you came about your conclusions. I am merely skeptical about your theories concerning barrel harmonics and the viability of free floating a revolver barrel. Also, the biggest factor that introduces the most variables is the cylinder itself. A revolving cylinder with six individual chambers, mounted on a swinging crane is the single most important factor affecting revolver accuracy. Not the barrel. So yes, you can bet your ass I'm going to ask you how you go about mitigating the inconsistencies inherent in any factory revolver cylinder. Questions, I might add, that you did not answer. Questions, I will also add, that any of those men mentioned above would gladly answer during the course of a quick phone call.bcgunworks said:
PS, Bog Gear can hardly be considered a "field rest". I know that's how it's marketed but please, it's basically a portable benchrest. What you are doing, that does alter point of impact, is resting the butt.
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jules
Single-Sixer
Rumrunner said:
I had a Leupold 2.5 x 8 LER on it and am sticking with that for now. But am thinking real hard on trying a riflescope.
I tried a rifle scope on a MK II 22 long ago, but it was difficult to shoot steady, more because of the gun itself. I have a Bushnell Trophy 2 x 6 on a 12" Encore in 223. With that set up I can get 1.5" groups at 100. Have thought about a rifle scope for that one, just don't know if my shooting ability will notice a difference.
bcgunworks
Single-Sixer
Craigc
These questions have been answered here and elsewhere before.
Everything is worked over as needed for each individual wheel gun.
I have found it to be more important to reduce the time the bullet is unsupported.
This is done with a minimal bc gap and a modified forcing cone angle.
Line boring is not required to accomplish proper alignment.
The targets over the distance speak for themselves. Show me another setup that consistently shoots near MOA.
With the use of a muzzle brake and muzzle climb being greatly reduced the guns track nearly strait back...so the butt resting issues don't matter.
These guns are shot more like a specialty pistol (xp100 or tc).
If bog gear is a bench then I can't wait to see what it will do at 300+ yards off an actual bench with a front rest and bags....I'd bet I could do half MOA.
Bog gear has flex...it pivots under recoil spreading shots right to left...And a few other short comings....
Once again....there will be a few customers running these at Wyshot and myself. There will be lots of videos and pictures.
If you still can't believe it come on out there as I try and work on 5" steel plates to 500 yds....nope I won't hit them all. It's one shot per target and with a wee little pistol round wind call is key.
The pdog will prob be easier since I can get multiple shots....I took pdogs out to about 200 yds last year with iron sighted wheel guns. Even took some to 50ish with a little Walther ppk in 32acp...and there are lots of witnesses to this...I
Or if you can't make it there you can come to my shop like many others have and shoot it for yourself. That has eliminated any doubt for many.
These have impressed many shooters who have a focus on extreme accuracy with specialty pistols.
Ernie bishop. Well known and respected specialty pistol shooter. Many look at as an expert. Shooting one of the first prototype franken Rugers. 100 yard group with factory ammo. I don't remember the group size. But that's on an 8" plate...it's way under moa...and way under 1/2 moa measured center to center. Writes for eastmans hunting and has some articles in online mags to..off the top of my head I think it's handgun hunter and a long range mag.
These questions have been answered here and elsewhere before.
Everything is worked over as needed for each individual wheel gun.
I have found it to be more important to reduce the time the bullet is unsupported.
This is done with a minimal bc gap and a modified forcing cone angle.
Line boring is not required to accomplish proper alignment.
The targets over the distance speak for themselves. Show me another setup that consistently shoots near MOA.
With the use of a muzzle brake and muzzle climb being greatly reduced the guns track nearly strait back...so the butt resting issues don't matter.
These guns are shot more like a specialty pistol (xp100 or tc).
If bog gear is a bench then I can't wait to see what it will do at 300+ yards off an actual bench with a front rest and bags....I'd bet I could do half MOA.
Bog gear has flex...it pivots under recoil spreading shots right to left...And a few other short comings....
Once again....there will be a few customers running these at Wyshot and myself. There will be lots of videos and pictures.
If you still can't believe it come on out there as I try and work on 5" steel plates to 500 yds....nope I won't hit them all. It's one shot per target and with a wee little pistol round wind call is key.
The pdog will prob be easier since I can get multiple shots....I took pdogs out to about 200 yds last year with iron sighted wheel guns. Even took some to 50ish with a little Walther ppk in 32acp...and there are lots of witnesses to this...I
Or if you can't make it there you can come to my shop like many others have and shoot it for yourself. That has eliminated any doubt for many.
These have impressed many shooters who have a focus on extreme accuracy with specialty pistols.
Ernie bishop. Well known and respected specialty pistol shooter. Many look at as an expert. Shooting one of the first prototype franken Rugers. 100 yard group with factory ammo. I don't remember the group size. But that's on an 8" plate...it's way under moa...and way under 1/2 moa measured center to center. Writes for eastmans hunting and has some articles in online mags to..off the top of my head I think it's handgun hunter and a long range mag.
bcgunworks
Single-Sixer
Rum runner
Rifle scopes are a learning curve for sure. I run one on my super munk...chipmunk 22 pistol that has been rebarreled and accurized.
The rifle scope once you learn to use it gives you all the advantages that typically come with a rifle optic. More adjustment. More magnification. And so on. Once you get use to it it's actually fast.
I don't shoot many of the specialty pistol type guns but most of the guys that do use rifle scopes. A muzzle brake helps with this. Even on your 223 it would take out all of the reward motion under recoil
Rifle scopes are a learning curve for sure. I run one on my super munk...chipmunk 22 pistol that has been rebarreled and accurized.
The rifle scope once you learn to use it gives you all the advantages that typically come with a rifle optic. More adjustment. More magnification. And so on. Once you get use to it it's actually fast.
I don't shoot many of the specialty pistol type guns but most of the guys that do use rifle scopes. A muzzle brake helps with this. Even on your 223 it would take out all of the reward motion under recoil
Ernie Bishop
Bearcat
I use a rear bag on the bottom of my grip of the Franken Ruger and on MOA maximum specialty pistol and on my XP 100 specialty pistols.
I have been using a small field bag under the grip of both rear grip and center grip handguns for years with very good success and yes even at distance.
Resting the barrel of a revolver or a rifle on something hard is going to change point of impact You need two things to prove that an accurate gun that is consistent and someone who can shoot it consistently
I would encourage people to try this for themselves and witness the change
You don't have to believe what people say, just prove it to yourself.
I have been using a small field bag under the grip of both rear grip and center grip handguns for years with very good success and yes even at distance.
Resting the barrel of a revolver or a rifle on something hard is going to change point of impact You need two things to prove that an accurate gun that is consistent and someone who can shoot it consistently
I would encourage people to try this for themselves and witness the change
You don't have to believe what people say, just prove it to yourself.
CraigC
Hawkeye
They have not been answered here and I have not asked them elsewhere.bcgunworks said:
Which basically means you either don't know what I'm asking, or you can't do it and won't admit it on an open forum.bcgunworks said:
bcgunworks said:
There's a whole bunch of gunsmiths, many of whom have been building guns since you were crapping yellow, who would probably disagree with that statement. So what you're saying is that your guns shoot better than those built by Bowen, Linebaugh, Huntington, Harton, Stroh, Clements, Freedom Arms, etc. and that you have figured out something they haven't? Moreover, you get testy when questioned about it and supply nothing but vague, often condescending answers???bcgunworks said:
Fact is, any of the custom linebored guns or FA's will shoot MOA or close to it and they do it without free floating barrels. Except they're never built with 12" barrels and picatinny rails for big variable scopes so few people are shooting for tiny groups at 100yds. You're using light bullets at extreme velocity to cheat the wind, reduce flight time and flatten trajectory.
The reason I'm doing this is that you've made several comments over the last nine months implying that you placed yourself on the same tier with those folks I mentioned above. Now you've gone so far as to place your work on a tier above. I have a real issue with that. You're not there, not by a long shot.
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jules
Single-Sixer
CraigC said:
Dude! Not trying to start anything but If you let things likes this get your panties in an uproar you have plenty of issues.
bcgunworks
Single-Sixer
well for one....I have never tried to put myself on anyone else's level....I dont want to be compared to anyone else. I am my own person.
All of those you listed are exceptional smiths. And all do great work and all have their own methods for accomplishing what they want.
You lost me on the whole 9 month thing....I am hardly on here...some people have posted work that I have done for them and I have posted some of mine.
If I am getting constant results I must have some kind of a clue of what I am doing for truing these guns. Every individual firearm is different. And each individual firearm has different stacked tolerances that need to be eliminated as much as possible.
That common 2-6 bushnell elite handgun scope is hardly big glass...
little wiegand scope rails are no bigger than most use.....
So once again so its clear....I DO NOT COMPARE MYSELF TO ANY OTHER PERSON...and noone else should
THere is more than one path to the same goal....
and the offer has been made. If you want to try the product your more than welcome. I told you two places where it will be. In addition it will be in SC in October.
Its something different....nope its not traditional....nope its not pretty...Its all about function.
and in closing....tiny groups are proof all on their own.
All of those you listed are exceptional smiths. And all do great work and all have their own methods for accomplishing what they want.
You lost me on the whole 9 month thing....I am hardly on here...some people have posted work that I have done for them and I have posted some of mine.
If I am getting constant results I must have some kind of a clue of what I am doing for truing these guns. Every individual firearm is different. And each individual firearm has different stacked tolerances that need to be eliminated as much as possible.
That common 2-6 bushnell elite handgun scope is hardly big glass...
little wiegand scope rails are no bigger than most use.....
So once again so its clear....I DO NOT COMPARE MYSELF TO ANY OTHER PERSON...and noone else should
THere is more than one path to the same goal....
and the offer has been made. If you want to try the product your more than welcome. I told you two places where it will be. In addition it will be in SC in October.
Its something different....nope its not traditional....nope its not pretty...Its all about function.
and in closing....tiny groups are proof all on their own.
bcgunworks
Single-Sixer
Your leather work looks nice by the way
