Component Prices and Time

[RCB]

I'm just getting started with reloading (thanks in part to a new LCR .327) and have a question about component prices as I consider buying the components I can get now or waiting it out until we, hopefully, go back to better market conditions.
Sorry if my questions are too basic for this group. Feel free to tell me this is not the place for this post.

I've mostly been looking at components on Midway and Brownell's. What I've been seeing is:
-most powders at in the $30-40 per pound range depending on brand and quantity
-Winchester primers at 8-9 cents each with CCI No. 41 5.56 and No. 34 7.62 primers at 12 cents each
-.355 XTP's for 22 cents/bullet, .312 XTP's for 25 cents/bullet and .357 XTP's and FXT's for about 28-29 cents/bullet
-Hornady flat tail soft point .308's for 35-36 cents/bullet
-New Brass: .327 Mag at 35-40 cents/each, .30-06 at 70-85 cents/each, .357 Mag at 20-40 cents/each (I already have more 5.56 and 9mm brass than I will need in the next decade if I practice like I should)
Some prices are product on clearance (edit: and some currently unavailable).

I only know what 9mm factory prices were like pre-pandemic (17 and ~35 cents per round for my preferred budget WWB115gr FMJ's and JHP's, that was great). So my question is, are these prices worth jumping on now (were there's stock) or do you more experienced members suggest waiting it out? I'm in it for the long-term, so I'm generally able to wait the market out if necessary. Except for .327, I'm probably willing to buy at somewhat silly prices there because I have no stock.

Your wisdom is much appreciated.

 

[NikA]

These are the prices I remember from the 2016-2020 period. I don't really expect most of them to come back (can't reverse inflation from a practical sense) buy some things like primers are clearly panic priced versus more normal increases.

Primers: 40-50$/K, occasionally on sale for less than 30$/K
Powder: 20-25$/lb, cheaper in quantity
XTPs: 16-28$/box of 100. Low end corresponds to light .32 or .355 versions, high end to the .44/.45 heavies with thicker jackets for high velocity
Hornady .30 rifle bullets: 30$/box of 100 for middling weight (175gr or so)
Starline brass: 17$/100 for 357, 25$/100 for 327. 30-06 brass, guessing 50$/100 new? I've always bought once-fired for 30-06 as there's plenty around.

There are still some deals around, particularly in reman/pull-down components. I haven't found anything from Midway or Brownell's to be a good enough deal since before 2020.

 

[NikA]

In reply to whether anything is worth jumping on now, if you have a need, that's your call. In terms of stocking up, I consider buying things that are increasing less than inflation in the metals/durable goods market (~10% at least).

 

[contender]

I started handloading long ago to help me shoot more ammo for a lesser expense.

The current atmosphere is so weird,, I tell people I look at in a different way. If I have a gun, and can't get ammo,, it's just a paperweight. If I want to shoot a LOT,, I prefer to load my own,, as I control how & what my ammo is & what it'll do.

I'd say, buy some stuff,, "just in case" you have a hard time finding ammo. Shop judiciously, and build a stock of components.

Never let your guns become paperweights.

 

[Biggfoot44]

My take is to buy what you will actually use in forseeable future , but not yet time to stock up .

With .327 , you have greater incentive to load , both because Handloading is inherently need to have loads of your prefered configuration , and .327 isn't one of the calibers that is being oem prioritized for increased availability .

Powders have been relatively available , and with shopping around , mid $30's isn't that bad for relatively small charge handgun . Primers remain the limiting factor .

 

[XP100]

I have been reloding for 40+ years. After the Obama shortage I bought components when ver I could afford them. Now we have the Biden shortage It has not affected me at all and I still have enough components both rifle and handgunt o probably load as long as I live. A lot of brass, many lbs. of powder, 1000's of bullets and primers.

I say go for it and buy all you can afford. You never know when it could or will get worse.

 

[gunzo]

We're at a crossroads with component pricing at this time. Panic/supply & demand pricing were gradually settling down only to run head on into rapid inflation.
Seems you have a pretty good handle on pricing & it doesn't seem that you're in a great hurry. So I'd look around some more. Midway has big inventories, Brownells a big company as well. But many sellers prices are lower.

May I suggest, Midsouth Shooters Supply, Natchez Shooters Supply & Blue Collar Reloading. There are many others but I'm most familiar to those mentioned.

 

[Uncle Howie]

RCB, I’m just slightly ahead of you, timing-wise.

My thought: gather enough components for a “comfortable“ stash, then refill that stash as you shoot it up, OR as you find the occasional “bargain.”

Slowly build your component stash, OVER TIME. That’s how most of the long-time handloaders did it. I just bought 2K Large Pistol primers last week. Local store had a modest selection of various primers at a “reasonable“ price (for today’s market), so I bought 2K of one variety.

They had lots more, but I didn’t go nuts. My loading/shooting skills aren’t at a point right now that I “need” “Benchrest” primers, so I didn’t buy any of them. I bought what I had a reasonably foreseeable need for.

When the latest round of madness started a couple years ago, I was just getting started in reloading. I was fortunate to get a couple of presses (one used), a bunch of die sets, and a few thousand primers before everything went nuts. I had to buy "a little of this, a little of that" to round out my stash. I bought what was available. As time goes on, I plan to winnow the variety of my stash down a little, to maybe a half-dozen powders.

I’m a “reloader,” not really a “handloader.” I don’t need two dozen powders on hand. The modest selection of cartridges that I plan to load for (haven’t even loaded for all of them, yet!) does require all four common sizes of primers, though- large/small pistol, and large/small rifle. Go figure!

I like Contender’s idea about never letting your guns become paperweights. On the other hand… I don’t personally “need“ 10K of 9mm on hand, either.

Primers are “small” to store, and you can’t make a centerfire cartridge go “Bang” without one. Powders can be substituted to some extent, (USING A MANUAL!!!), but every centerfire cartridge needs a primer. Something to think about, as you prioritize your spending while building your stash…

Politics and the economy are always the elephant in the room. “You pays your money, and you takes your chances.”

 

[arcee]

If you are going to shoot your LCR for you CCP class and maybe a couple of training classes, then carry it but not do much shooting other than a requal each year, then you might get by with just some boxes of the "factory" ammo.

Look at the price per round and the availability.

I have dies and bullet molds for every caliber I shoot. This is part of my personality problem. I hate the word no.

Just my 2 cents. v/r

 

[contender]

Lots of good thoughts here.

Another consideration. Different people, have different requirements for their shooting purposes.
A casual plinker,, or a handgun hunter, or a rifle hunter, or a CCW practice type,, or competition shooters. And even competition shooters vary. Some try & shoot a match every weekend,, while others shoot one a month or so.

I like to think that each person will evaluate their NEEDS,, vs their WANTS,, and get the supplies necessary to fulfill their needs first,, then work towards their wants as conditions permit.

 

[XP100]

My train of thought now is if you shoot 100 bullets and primers buy 200 of each, Buy 2 lb's.' of powder for everyone you load and scrounge brass if possible at the range you shoot at.

 

[RSIno1]

These are the prices I remember from the 2016-2020 period. I don't really expect most of them to come back (can't reverse inflation from a practical sense) buy some things like primers are clearly panic priced versus more normal increases.

I think primers are supply/demand priced not panic. In a panic the item is available but at a higher price because you want it. Primers today are scarce and people are willing to pay more because they need them.

 

[Ka6otm]

I have been reloding for 40+ years. After the Obama shortage I bought components when ver I could afford them. Now we have the Biden shortage It has not affected me at all and I still have enough components both rifle and handgunt o probably load as long as I live. A lot of brass, many lbs. of powder, 1000's of bullets and primers.

I say go for it and buy all you can afford. You never know when it could or will get worse.

I saw the writing on the wall after the first primer shortage which happened when Bill Clinton got elected the first time. I was down to a couple of thousand primers when primers came back and Mrs. Flash bought me 12,000 for Christmas.

After that, I got serious about stocking components and haven't bought any components for myself in well over 2 (except for some shotgun primers I got a deal on) years and I shoot at least twice a week.

 

[NikA]

I think primers are supply/demand priced not panic. In a panic the item is available but at a higher price because you want it. Primers today are scarce and people are willing to pay more because they need them.

My pushback to the current price of 9mm. If it were really costing 10c/ea to prime the cases, smaller manufacturer like Freedom Munitions wouldn't be able to sell bulk 9mm in new cases for 30c/ea. Something is preventing primers from getting out to the handloading market, and as a result the market price is artificially inflated beyond the limits of normal supply and demand.

The bright light on the horizon for me is I'm already seeing folks locally selling due to financial hardship, and with the current tack of the economy, the whole thing will correct before the next presidental election.

 

[Snake Pleskin]

I have reduced calibers drastically for reloading and only use a few that have interchangeable components, like powder ,primers or bullet. I load .308, 7.62x39, .223, .38/.357. That is it. I do not load for auto pistols and never have. Revolvers are more forgiving. (IMHO).With these rounds I can cover everything on the Continent from long range (900meters) to short range (100-300 meters), and everything in between. I have a round that will take varmints, small game, small deer, .223 and the .308 will handle the rest. The .38/.357 combo can be loaded to achieve what ever i need from a handgun. From small game(.38) to larger game (.357), personal protection, it will do the job, and several lever guns up the velocity and power in the .357 to allow me to stretch it to100 yds. if needed. Just one mans opinion.

 

[XP100]

I load for 32, 38sp. 357, 40S&w, 44 Mag, 9mm, 45 ACP & 35 Rem handguns. 22 Hornet, 222, 223, 243, 244, 270, 308, 30/06, 7MM Mag, 338, 375 H&H, and 45/70. Have enough components to last as long as I do. That doesn't include stuff for my 45 ans 50 cal muzzleloaders.

 

[DRAM40A1]

If you find it, and can afford it, buy it!

 

[GasGuzzler]

.327 is going to be more expensive to load OR buy because it's a niche cartridge.

I still have primers at $0.028 (2.8 cents) and powder at $28 per pound. All I had to do was buy it cheap and stop using it when things went crazy. Same thing I did with OEM ammo. So I have both.

 

[Ka6otm]

I started handloading long ago to help me shoot more ammo for a lesser expense.

The current atmosphere is so weird,, I tell people I look at in a different way. If I have a gun, and can't get ammo,, it's just a paperweight. If I want to shoot a LOT,, I prefer to load my own,, as I control how & what my ammo is & what it'll do.

I'd say, buy some stuff,, "just in case" you have a hard time finding ammo. Shop judiciously, and build a stock of components.

Never let your guns become paperweights.

As did I. My Dad started me reloading at age 9 and I've been at it ever since. I usually keep enough components on hand to reload around 10 years worth at my current shooting rate, which is at least twice a week.

Now is a poor time to stock up. If it were me just getting started or having failed to keep a good inventory and now lacking components, I'd buy only what I need to keep shooting until prices drop enough, then I'd stock up.

 

[kmoore]

I won't tell you how to spend your money, my comment may follow several others. Do you want to shoot now? buy what you can find. You want to wait to shoot, wait to buy the stuff. Well it get cheaper next month, next year and by now much? Check out your crystal ball and let us know what it says.

 

[magpouch]

I would pay whatever I had to in order to get 5000 primers and 8lbs of powder if I had none now. We have no idea how long this may last or even if it may get worse. I have seen component prices still rising even though there seems to be more available than 5-6 months ago.

 

[GasGuzzler]

People see what they want to usually and for some reason a lot of people want to be right about prices never coming down. But the fact remains they almost always come back down to just above where the were. Ammo prices are already down from the highest they were in the last couple years and when people stop over-paying for primers, those will come down too.

 

[Snake Pleskin]

People see what they want to usually and for some reason a lot of people want to be right about prices never coming down. But the fact remains they almost always come back down to just above where the were. Ammo prices are already down from the highest they were in the last couple years and when people stop over-paying for primers, those will come down too.

They will never return to the prices we used to have. They will drop some, but not to where they were. That is the trick. They let you get used to very high prices, then as demand eases, they drop it some, and everyone is happy, not realizing they are still paying too much!

 

[Huskerguy72]

I don't understand many things in life, these are just a few.

Most everything we use in everyday life has increased in price significantly. Food, fuel, natural gas (I am seeing 50% increases predicted this winter), and most anything requiring a raw material.

Then throw in a high demand for some things, i.e. fuel, raw materials and even ammo.

Add a little dose of regulation and taxes and what would you expect. We can also add supply chain and the ability to increase prices due to demand.

I see ammo everywhere I go but the prices seem high. I reload my own so buying new ammo is not for me but I get asked by others "what's a good price for 9mm or .223".

Prices may fluctuate or even come down some but they will never be close to what we were paying just a couple years ago. There are simply too many variables all going against it happening. I guess it is OK to dream though.

 

[harley08]

I remember paying $75.00 for 5000 primers!

 

[Snake Pleskin]

I remember paying $75.00 for 5000 primers!

I remember when I could run a 6 min mile! Not anymore!

 

[NC FNS]

I’ve been buying my primers with 9mm cases, bullets and some powder attached. If you subtract the cost of 1,000 primers from a case of 9mm, it starts to look like a better deal. I’m saving the few SP primers I have for various .32s and .38s

 

[Rich/WIS]

Components, particularly primer, are an issue but the situation is improving. Even at todays costs price per round is not bad. Primers for 10cents, powder maybe 2 cents, bullets variable depending on jacketed, plated or lead 8 to 25 cents. Top end for jacketed 37 cents, or @ $18 for 50, cast 20 cents or @ $10 for fifty. Worst case about half the cost of factory and best case abour a quarter the cost of factory. If you do not reload now adding the cost of equipment you pay for the equipment quickly at that savings level.

 

[watashie00]

I'm just getting started with reloading (thanks in part to a new LCR .327) and have a question about component prices as I consider buying the components I can get now or waiting it out until we, hopefully, go back to better market conditions.
Sorry if my questions are too basic for this group. Feel free to tell me this is not the place for this post.

I've mostly been looking at components on Midway and Brownell's. What I've been seeing is:
-most powders at in the $30-40 per pound range depending on brand and quantity
-Winchester primers at 8-9 cents each with CCI No. 41 5.56 and No. 34 7.62 primers at 12 cents each
-.355 XTP's for 22 cents/bullet, .312 XTP's for 25 cents/bullet and .357 XTP's and FXT's for about 28-29 cents/bullet
-Hornady flat tail soft point .308's for 35-36 cents/bullet
-New Brass: .327 Mag at 35-40 cents/each, .30-06 at 70-85 cents/each, .357 Mag at 20-40 cents/each (I already have more 5.56 and 9mm brass than I will need in the next decade if I practice like I should)
Some prices are product on clearance (edit: and some currently unavailable).

I only know what 9mm factory prices were like pre-pandemic (17 and ~35 cents per round for my preferred budget WWB115gr FMJ's and JHP's, that was great). So my question is, are these prices worth jumping on now (were there's stock) or do you more experienced members suggest waiting it out? I'm in it for the long-term, so I'm generally able to wait the market out if necessary. Except for .327, I'm probably willing to buy at somewhat silly prices there because I have no stock.

Your wisdom is much appreciated.

So,,,,, everything you said is correct, smart, and logical.... I have reloaded for 35 years,,,, I have also been collecting components for that amount of time,,, I drilled an ammo can put a valve stem in it,, and a pressure guage... I bought sleeves of 5000 primers at a time,,, when full,,through an oxygen absorber packet in. I sealed it with oil on the rubber gasket,,, then evacuated it with an air conditioning pump,,, and then took it to a friends tire shop and had him fill it with Nitrogen to 10 PSI. So far,,, no leaks after 15 years,,,, and no oxidation, since there is no oxygen in there. I have openned them to use,, after 10 years,,, they were not even tarnished,,, or you can use them as you load them,, and not worry about that.... but I had the dubious distinction of being in the Marine Corps and in LA for the LA riots,,,, I will never be caught without ammunition, nor the ability to reload them again

Even after all those years of collecting,,, I can reload my 9mm for about 30 cents,,, So if I can buy ammo under 30 cents a round (more like 50-60 cents a round now) then it is cheaper to buy them than reload,,, for rifle the target price is about 75 cent per round,, my large rifles,, 3006, 270, and 300 Wby and 338 Win,,, I just buy the brass and reload it myself.. My strike price on 22 is anytime it is below 8 cents a round. Which at the moment Walmard has Federal 22 in a box of 325 for $21,,, so I buy $100 bucks of it a month.. Take your time,, watch facebook market place for sales offering "reloading junk my dad had" adds and be quick about it... buy cheap and store for the future,, cause it isnt going to get cheaper,,,, leftists are NOT going to see the err of their ways,,,, the Buffalo are never coming back,,, and the only thing about the good old days,, is that they are gone...

 

[watashie00]

I'm just getting started with reloading (thanks in part to a new LCR .327) and have a question about component prices as I consider buying the components I can get now or waiting it out until we, hopefully, go back to better market conditions.
Sorry if my questions are too basic for this group. Feel free to tell me this is not the place for this post.

I've mostly been looking at components on Midway and Brownell's. What I've been seeing is:
-most powders at in the $30-40 per pound range depending on brand and quantity
-Winchester primers at 8-9 cents each with CCI No. 41 5.56 and No. 34 7.62 primers at 12 cents each
-.355 XTP's for 22 cents/bullet, .312 XTP's for 25 cents/bullet and .357 XTP's and FXT's for about 28-29 cents/bullet
-Hornady flat tail soft point .308's for 35-36 cents/bullet
-New Brass: .327 Mag at 35-40 cents/each, .30-06 at 70-85 cents/each, .357 Mag at 20-40 cents/each (I already have more 5.56 and 9mm brass than I will need in the next decade if I practice like I should)
Some prices are product on clearance (edit: and some currently unavailable).

I only know what 9mm factory prices were like pre-pandemic (17 and ~35 cents per round for my preferred budget WWB115gr FMJ's and JHP's, that was great). So my question is, are these prices worth jumping on now (were there's stock) or do you more experienced members suggest waiting it out? I'm in it for the long-term, so I'm generally able to wait the market out if necessary. Except for .327, I'm probably willing to buy at somewhat silly prices there because I have no stock.

Your wisdom is much appreciated.

I bought a bucket of 147 FMj Pulled Military 308s,,, I use them in everything 30 caliber,, except my 7/62 x 39 and a 30 30,,,, I bought them 30 years ago and still have most of them,, they get me on target,,, they zero my scopes at the range,,, and then with a couple clicks I can have my HP or Ballistic Tip ammo on target,,, I have reloaded 3-4 ammo cans full of them in 3006, 300 Wby,, I loaded some 7.62 with them but they were too heavy,,, You can buy military Pulled bullets for VERY cheap,, they are fun at the range,,, get you proficient and keep you there,,, not good for hunting,, at least animals that is,,,, and will punch right though Level 3 and 3a armor,,,, not bad to keep around in a pinch