cimarron single actions

[5of7]

I bought a model P JR today in .38 Special today and it looks nice, but it will be spring before I get a chance to shoot it. I checked the throats and they run .360" which I think may be a little large. Getting the cylinder back in is a little tricky too. It looks to be about the size of a Ruger Super Single Six

Do any of you guys have any experience with these guns? 8)

 

[BearBio]

I had 2 Artillery Models in 45 lc that I used for SASS. Nice pistols. Put in Wolf Springs and they were smooth. Sold them when I got 2 SAA (I am a traditionalist). About as close to a SAA as you can get, I think.

 

[WIL TERRY]

I own Cimarron/Uberti's in every caliber and BBL length they ever made [ and one they...didn't..] Nearly 50M rounds through them all. Few if any problems[ ---broke a bolt spring...NBFD...] and all but one shot to the sights until I sighted that one in with the armstrong milling machine. GOOD sixguns !!!
And so it goes...

 

[Bob Wright]

I own Cimarron/Uberti's in every caliber and BBL length they ever made [ and one they...didn't..] Nearly 50M rounds through them all. Few if any problems[ ---broke a bolt spring...NBFD...] and all but one shot to the sights until I sighted that one in with the armstrong milling machine. GOOD sixguns !!!
And so it goes...

You must tell me more about your Armstrong Milling Machine. I remember having one many years ago, but now seems about worn out. Got a couple of Single Actions I need to sight in, but......well..........

Bob Wright

 

[zonk]

Bought a Model P in .38WCF last year, special order, bought it sight unseen.. 1st Cimarron, I love it..

Only 1 issue. As per my usual routine for a brand new gun, I wanted to disassemble/clean before using... In the box, it was wrapped in a plastic bag, soaked/dripping in oil... No issue there, it definitely didn't rust between Italy and CT.....

When I began disassembly, every screw, was way less than finger tight. I took the entire gun apart with just a driver bit, no handle. Most screws were loose, not even snug, 2 I didn't even need the driver bit. Kind of scary. Once apart, so much oil, I thought I was draining a transmission.... Cleaned (more metal shavings than I would like to see in a new piece)/lubed properly, and reassembled, it runs great. Smooth and accurate.

My assumption is, it was assembled loose, and the shift bell rung, next shift just packed it up and shipped it out, never checking torque....

Metal work, and wood work are exceptional. Extremely well made in my opinion, just no quality control on the assembly of this particular one. I'd buy another if the need (want) arises....

 

[Hondo44]

5of7,

I have the same gun but with birdshead grip that has the hump (authentic to the Colt) called the Lightening. Got it used very cheap in new condition. The cyl bolt would jump the cyl notch because it wasn't sticking up thru frame enough. Very simple fix. It has the shortest standard barrel, I think 3 1/2", stamped 38 Colt and Special. I added a bullseye ejector knob.

Very accurate, shoots to sights and fun to shoot. I gave it an action job and may have lightened the hammer spring a bit but don't remember for sure now. I only have three Cimarrons, that one and a pair of 44 Colt Open tops. Very happy with all three!

 

[Jim Puke]

I just bought this Cimarron off this forum about 2 weeks ago...that makes my 3rd Cimarron, and I really like all of them. The fit, finish and action are all top notch and they are all a pleasure to shoot.

http://www.rugerforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=216013&p=2158788#p2158788

 

[Kevin]

You guys are hard on my wallet ya know that? I was all fine yesterday, and then I see this thread and think Oh, neat I have heard of Cimarron Firearms, but haven't seen one in a store for a while. I couldn't sleep well last night, thinking about open top revolvers... Bing Bang Boom, I just ordered a catalog. I didn't even realize they are in Fredericksburg. I could drive down and pick one up factory fresh. (Warehouse fresh anyway...)

Thanks a lot.

 

[DGW1949]

I've had plenty of experience with the Model-P, but none with the Jr.
As noted, two different frame-sizes...two different guns as to action parts, geometry etc.
Not quite an apples to oranges comparison, more like oranges to tangerines.
Once upon a time, ASM supplied Cimarron's "SAA" revolvers but for the past 20 years or so, they have been Uberti-made. The Uberti's have proven to be a much-better SAA. In fact, when it comes to "dollars vs results", I think that they are a better value than a Colt.

Getting on the your P-Jr.....no idea why the throats are .360 except to say that what you're seeing aint unusual. Just as a point of interest, the throats on my 3-Screw Ruger run from .360-.365 but it shoots soft-cast/mid range loads very well.....just sayin'.

DGW

 

[5of7]

since I see that it is marked .38 Colt and .38 Special, and being a little funny that way, I think I will get some Starline bass and shoot it as a .38 Colt.

Do any of you know of a source for .38 Colt loading data?

addemdum:

Went to the range and fired 3, 5 shot groups at 25 yds. The groups went 3.25--4.25--2.25 amd about 2" low. Since I was shooting a 125 grain load that I use in the Smith J frame guns, I would expect it to shoot pretty much on the money with a heavier bullet.

This little gun is a keeper. 8)

 

[Kevin]

You guys are making it real tough. How is .38 Colt different from .38 Special? I see from a casual search it isn't as powerful as .38 Special. Is that about it?

5of7, can you post some pictures?

 

[Hondo44]

You guys are hard on my wallet ya know that? I was all fine yesterday, and then I see this thread and think Oh, neat I have heard of Cimarron Firearms, but haven't seen one in a store for a while. I couldn't sleep well last night, thinking about open top revolvers... Bing Bang Boom, I just ordered a catalog. I didn't even realize they are in Fredericksburg. I could drive down and pick one up factory fresh. (Warehouse fresh anyway...)

Thanks a lot.

Kevin,

They have a great website too if you get tired of waiting for the catalog: http://www.cimarron-firearms.com/

Uberti and the other Italian makers will make as nice a firearm as the importer wants to pay for. Cimarron, IMO, has the highest authenticity and quality standard requirement for the Uberti guns that they import.

 

[Hondo44]

since I see that it is marked .38 Colt and .38 Special, and being a little funny that way, I think I will get some Starline bass and shoot it as a .38 Colt.

Do any of you know of a source for .38 Colt loading data?

This little gun is a keeper. 8)

I use Unique because I'm old and that's the one of the powders I cut my teeth on and what I have plenty of. So when I go to my early last century Lyman loading manuals like #38, the 38 Colt loads listed are the same as the 38 Spl up to a point, for Unique.
I load 4.0 grains of Unique w/158 gr bullet for an average FPS in the 750 range.
For more punch; 4.7 grs w/158 gr for an average in the 850 FPS range.

I'm sure some of the newer powder makers for Cowboy Action Shooting have loading info for 38 Colt, and it may even be posted on line.

For powders other than Unique I would use the same loads as 38 Spls. within the capacity of the shorter case w/o compressing the powder charge.

Jim

 

[Hondo44]

You guys are making it real tough. How is .38 Colt different from .38 Special? I see from a casual search it isn't as powerful as .38 Special. Is that about it?

5of7, can you post some pictures?

Yep, that's about it! They both started life as black powder rounds. The 38 Spl round is just a 38 Colt with a lengthened case for more Black powder case capacity. So since smokeless powder takes less space than BP, the 38 Colt can be loaded with smokeless to equal full 38 Spl BP loadings. (But I wouldn't shoot those in old 38 Colt chambered BP guns, except of course they're OK for the Colt SAA with it's large-for-caliber cylinder.

And of course with smokeless powder, the 38 Spl can be loaded to +P and ++P loads as it is today for modern 38 Spl firearms.

 

[Muley Gil]

I have had a Model P Jr in .32-20/.32 H&R Magnum. Mine was a good shooter. Just slightly bigger than a Single Six, more of a 7/8 scale SAA.

 

[Hondo44]

I have had a Model P Jr in .32-20/.32 H&R Magnum. Mine was a good shooter. Just slightly bigger than a Single Six, more of a 7/8 scale SAA.

That sounds like a winner! Rather have that than my 38 long Colt/S&W Spl.

 

[Blue45Colt]

Concerning the Model P in .38 Special, is one to assume that only standard loads should be used, not +P?

 

[Blue45Colt]

I intended that to read Model P Jr.

 

[5of7]

I intended that to read Model P Jr.

Literature in the box says no to +P, but in looking the gun over and comparing it to a J frame Smith which is rated +P, I don't think that 20K pressures would hurt this little gun any.

BUT...In any event, I don't have any +P plans for the one I have. What would be the point? 8)